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dalton99a

(92,076 posts)
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 03:56 PM Apr 2025

Pressuring Migrants to 'Self-Deport,' White House Moves to Cancel Social Security Numbers

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/04/10/us/politics/migrants-deport-social-security-doge.html

Pressuring Migrants to ‘Self-Deport,’ White House Moves to Cancel Social Security Numbers
By placing migrants in Social Security’s “death master file,” the Trump administration is seeking to cut off their access to credit cards, bank accounts and other financial services.
By Alexandra Berzon, Hamed Aleaziz, Nicholas Nehamas, Ryan Mac and Tara Siegel Bernard
April 10, 2025 Updated 4:40 p.m. ET

Since taking office, the Trump administration has moved aggressively to revoke the temporary legal status of hundreds of thousands of immigrants who were allowed into the country under President Joseph R. Biden Jr.

Now, the administration is taking drastic steps to pressure some of those immigrants and others who had legal status to “self-deport” by effectively canceling the Social Security numbers they had lawfully obtained, according to documents reviewed by The New York Times and interviews with six people familiar with the plans.

The goal is to cut those people off from using crucial financial services like bank accounts and credit cards, along with their access to government benefits.

The effort hinges on a surprising new tactic: repurposing Social Security’s “death master file,” which for years has been used to track dead people who should no longer receive benefits, to include the names of living people who the government believes should be treated as if they are dead. As a result of being added to the death database, they would be blacklisted from a coveted form of identity that allows them to make and spend money.

The initial names are limited to people the administration says are convicted criminals and “suspected terrorists,” the documents show. But officials said the effort could broaden to include others in the country without authorization.

Their “financial lives,” the Social Security Administration’s acting commissioner, Leland Dudek, wrote in an email to staff, would be “terminated.”

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Pressuring Migrants to 'Self-Deport,' White House Moves to Cancel Social Security Numbers (Original Post) dalton99a Apr 2025 OP
If you want organized crime that's how you get it electricmonk Apr 2025 #1
Illegal/Undocumented Immigrants are ineligible to receive a social security number. Wiz Imp Apr 2025 #2
Perhaps they meant a Tax ID # - which functions as a social security # for the sake of paying taxes tulipsandroses Apr 2025 #4
The article explicitly said Social Security Numbers Wiz Imp Apr 2025 #5
With no due process at all C_U_L8R Apr 2025 #3

electricmonk

(2,015 posts)
1. If you want organized crime that's how you get it
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 04:04 PM
Apr 2025

If people can't access legit banking or money services they'll turn to the underground.
Edit to add that there's always someone willing to fill in that gap to take advantage of desperate people.

Wiz Imp

(8,917 posts)
2. Illegal/Undocumented Immigrants are ineligible to receive a social security number.
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 04:05 PM
Apr 2025

Only legal immigrants with a work authorization are eligible. While I'm sure a handful of people have slipped through the cracks, I'm sure that 99.99% of immigrants who have a social security number received it legally so to cancel them would in fact be illegal.

tulipsandroses

(8,131 posts)
4. Perhaps they meant a Tax ID # - which functions as a social security # for the sake of paying taxes
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 04:16 PM
Apr 2025

What is interesting is that RWers claim that mass deportation is necessary because of
A. Violent criminals
B. They drain the system
C. Do not contribute to the economy.

So according to this - they want to cut them off from working and spending money. So cut them off from paying income tax and sales tax.
Make it make sense.

No one should still be fooled that this has anything to do with crime or security.

Wiz Imp

(8,917 posts)
5. The article explicitly said Social Security Numbers
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 06:56 PM
Apr 2025

So I assumed that's what they meant. You're right though, it makes no sense to remove either an SS # or an ITIN from anyone paying federal income taxes. If they're paying income taxes, then they aren't likely defrauding the system.

C_U_L8R

(48,854 posts)
3. With no due process at all
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 04:10 PM
Apr 2025

Trump and his knuckledragging magats have ruined this country. Fuck them all.

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