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Demovictory9

(37,113 posts)
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 03:47 PM Apr 2025

We are witnessing the destruction of science in America

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/apr/09/science-destruction-america

We are witnessing the destruction of science in America

Paul Darren Bieniasz

If we stay on this administration’s course, future life-saving medicines may never be invented


Wed 9 Apr 2025 08.00 EDT

Like many scientists, I came to the US as a young adult, driven by idealism and ambition. I arrived with all my belongings contained in two suitcases, and just enough cash to cover the first month’s rent on a small apartment. But I also had something of greater value: an offer to work and train in one of America’s top biomedical research laboratories, a chance to participate in the revolution that is modern biological science.

In the years that followed, I became an American scientist and raised an American family. Now, I lead a laboratory in one of the US’s great universities. I am a member of America’s National Academy of Sciences. From a scientist’s perspective, I have lived the American dream.

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The vast majority of fundamental scientific research in the US is funded by American taxpayers, through bodies such as the National Institutes of Health (NIH) and National Science Foundation, that make grants to universities and research institutes. These grants support scientific infrastructure, pay scientists’ salaries and fund specific research projects. While charities and individual donors also make contributions, these are dwarfed by federal support.

Public funding for science is essential because most endeavors in science cannot be directly commercialized, and fundamental science is rarely done by the for-profit sector. Moreover, science, by definition, requires trial-and-error experimentation at the edge of knowledge – its outcomes are unpredictable. Therefore, science is, in a sense, inherently inefficient.

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The extraordinary success that has been American science makes it especially distressing to now witness its destruction. The public investment that has made American science exceptional also makes it dependent on political support.

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We are witnessing the destruction of science in America (Original Post) Demovictory9 Apr 2025 OP
Destruction of science, education, healthcare, economy, legal system, democracy, federal workforce, etc etc. Irish_Dem Apr 2025 #1
this G_j Apr 2025 #2
"I Am Your Retribution!" sop Apr 2025 #4
Yes, Americans cheering Trump's destruction of their country. Irish_Dem Apr 2025 #6
I have been calling this the Republican Cultural Revolution since the mid '80's when Tumbulu Apr 2025 #3
Fascism Iamscrewed Apr 2025 #10
Deja vu markie Apr 2025 #14
So true, thanks for sharing this Tumbulu Apr 2025 #15
Rush was paid by putin Hornedfrog2000 Apr 2025 #11
I remember markodochartaigh Apr 2025 #13
Wow, thank you for sharing that. Tumbulu Apr 2025 #16
Yes, what a shame. All these great minds put on a shelf for four years bluestarone Apr 2025 #5
future life-saving medicines WILL be invented progressoid Apr 2025 #7
The GOP trifecta is destroying the Country. bronxiteforever Apr 2025 #8
All the things that made America great are being ideologically dismantled by Republicans to "make America great." Beartracks Apr 2025 #9
Putin wins. Kid Berwyn Apr 2025 #12
Fortunately, science still exists in many parts of the world. Crunchy Frog Apr 2025 #17

Irish_Dem

(78,972 posts)
1. Destruction of science, education, healthcare, economy, legal system, democracy, federal workforce, etc etc.
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 03:51 PM
Apr 2025

Trump is destroying every thing that made the US great.

sop

(17,204 posts)
4. "I Am Your Retribution!"
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 04:24 PM
Apr 2025

And Trump's followers cheer him on when he vows to destroy everything that made this country great.

Irish_Dem

(78,972 posts)
6. Yes, Americans cheering Trump's destruction of their country.
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 04:40 PM
Apr 2025

Greatest moral collapse in US history.

Tumbulu

(6,611 posts)
3. I have been calling this the Republican Cultural Revolution since the mid '80's when
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 04:15 PM
Apr 2025

all the crying about scientific research being so wasteful by Rush Limbaugh began.

The vitriol has only increased and now it is considered a badge of honor to put science and scientists down among that crowd.

I keep trying to find out how China recovered from what they went through. And where will all the scientists go- the EU and Japan/Korea/India?

And they will go.

I would if I were young enough, and I might anyway.

markie

(23,802 posts)
14. Deja vu
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 06:48 PM
Apr 2025

"....Beginning in 1933, hundreds of physicists and other academics fled the country (Nazi Germany), transforming their lives and the global scientific landscape.....
The Nazi regime pushed out leading researchers such as Albert Einstein, Hans Krebs, and even national hero Fritz Haber, who had helped develop chemical weapons during World War I. The extraordinary intellectual exodus would have tremendous implications..."

Tumbulu

(6,611 posts)
15. So true, thanks for sharing this
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 10:14 PM
Apr 2025

I grew up inspired and mentored by some of those very scientists.

markodochartaigh

(4,839 posts)
13. I remember
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 06:33 PM
Apr 2025

in the late 80's the superconducting supercollider was going to be built just south of Dallas. It would have provided thousands of really good jobs, as well as the cutting edge scientific knowledge that it would produce. Previously it would have been a no-brainer for Texas politicians, or politicians anywhere, to support such an amazing project in their own backyard. There are many reasons why it failed but the most shocking reason to me was that the Republican politicians, locally and state wide, refused to support it.

Tumbulu

(6,611 posts)
16. Wow, thank you for sharing that.
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 10:16 PM
Apr 2025

This corrosive rhetoric has been holding us all back for such a long time.

bluestarone

(21,006 posts)
5. Yes, what a shame. All these great minds put on a shelf for four years
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 04:35 PM
Apr 2025

Just to please a golden ASS!

progressoid

(52,466 posts)
7. future life-saving medicines WILL be invented
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 04:41 PM
Apr 2025

but not here.

Get ready to pay China and the EU for their advancements in medicine while we fight about immigrants and trans bathrooms.

bronxiteforever

(11,042 posts)
8. The GOP trifecta is destroying the Country.
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 06:01 PM
Apr 2025

This is all on the GOP. We have to win both houses in 2026

Beartracks

(14,276 posts)
9. All the things that made America great are being ideologically dismantled by Republicans to "make America great."
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 06:02 PM
Apr 2025

Crunchy Frog

(28,207 posts)
17. Fortunately, science still exists in many parts of the world.
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 10:19 PM
Apr 2025

And hopefully will get a nice infusion from the American brain drain.

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