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Javaman

(65,113 posts) Thu Apr 10, 2025, 12:06 PM Apr 2025

So here is Rachel Maddow on the Bond market. (as an older citizen, this scares the crap out of me)

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And here is today's current bond market.

https://www.cnbc.com/bonds/

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So here is Rachel Maddow on the Bond market. (as an older citizen, this scares the crap out of me) (Original Post) Javaman Apr 2025 OP

So, I guess bond investors do not think US will turn around for more than 20-30 years? hlthe2b Apr 2025 #1

The spelling is a choice. LudwigPastorius Apr 2025 #2

Bullshit. I searched and found no other group doing this. Next time I have a typo or spelling error, I think hlthe2b Apr 2025 #3

Try another search, there are many examples of credible institutions using 'Treasurys' Abolishinist Apr 2025 #11

Well, after Merriam Webster unilaterally decided to include *nuke-you-lar* as an alternate pronunciation hlthe2b Apr 2025 #16

I'll guess it is along the lines of referring to the Democratic Party as the Democrat Party erronis Apr 2025 #4

The CNBC report that caused the market jump was in error. Check this thread. ancianita Apr 2025 #10

I heard countries were selling their bonds to pressure Trump. Joinfortmill Apr 2025 #5

Canadian PM Carney, PhD Econ, has been running a US Treasuries strategy Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2025 #7

normally during a market crash people rush to buy us bonds moonshinegnomie Apr 2025 #6

Partly because US dollar has declined about 3% in recent months, which is tRump's strategy Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2025 #8

I think a lot of GOPers Johonny Apr 2025 #14

Thank you Rachel for explaining this!! blue-wave Apr 2025 #9

This line leighbythesea2 Apr 2025 #12

At least the yield curve isnt inverted Johonny Apr 2025 #13

One thing Cherokee100 Apr 2025 #15

It's all part of the plan!! stay the course!! 5d Chess!! Nimble_Idea Apr 2025 #17

hlthe2b

(112,812 posts)

1. So, I guess bond investors do not think US will turn around for more than 20-30 years?

Reply to Javaman (Original post)

Thu Apr 10, 2025, 12:29 PM

Apr 2025

(given those are the only ones recovering right now).

Speaking of which, I had never seen the plural of US Treasury bonds written as US Treasurys (not Treasuries). Is this just some CNBC nonsense/error or?...

On searching, it looks like Forbes and just about everyone else is referring to "Treasuries" as the plural so, I assume CNBC needs to send its writers back to school?

https://www.forbes.com/sites/joelshulman/2025/04/09/us-rally-at-risk-as-china-may-be-dumping-treasuries/

LudwigPastorius

(14,174 posts)

2. The spelling is a choice.

Reply to hlthe2b (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 10, 2025, 12:41 PM

Apr 2025

https://www.cnbc.com/2009/08/18/treasuries-and-treasurys-why-the-y.html

hlthe2b

(112,812 posts)

3. Bullshit. I searched and found no other group doing this. Next time I have a typo or spelling error, I think

Reply to LudwigPastorius (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 10, 2025, 12:47 PM

Apr 2025

I will concoct some equally ridiculous excuse. He should be embarrassed. It sounds like an excuse out of one of Trump's ilk when caught making a substantial error.

Abolishinist

(2,887 posts)

11. Try another search, there are many examples of credible institutions using 'Treasurys'

Reply to hlthe2b (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 10, 2025, 02:13 PM

Apr 2025

Last edited Thu Apr 10, 2025, 02:51 PM - Edit history (1)

Why the Selloff in Treasurys Is Rattling Investors - Wall Street Journal
https://www.wsj.com/finance/investing/us-treasury-bonds-selloff-tariffs-investors-e503b398

Wild swings in Treasurys have investors worried something is about to 'blow up' in markets - Yahoo Finance
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/wild-swings-in-treasurys-have-investors-worried-something-is-about-to-blow-up-in-markets-180240729.html

Bonds slump but short-term Treasurys hold steady as tariffs heighten stagflation fears - Market Watch
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/bonds-slump-but-short-term-treasurys-hold-steady-as-tariffs-heighten-stagflation-fears-cfa79874

Business Insider -
https://www.businessinsider.com/bond-market-treasurys-cratering-donald-trump-tariff-markets-turmoil-heres-2025-4

... and more

hlthe2b

(112,812 posts)

16. Well, after Merriam Webster unilaterally decided to include *nuke-you-lar* as an alternate pronunciation

Reply to Abolishinist (Reply #11)

Thu Apr 10, 2025, 04:59 PM

Apr 2025

for Nuclear (i.e., NUKE-LEE-AR) after GW Bush* (and yes, Jimmy Carter) continually mangled the word, I guess I can't be surprised.

To each his/her own...

erronis

(22,660 posts)

4. I'll guess it is along the lines of referring to the Democratic Party as the Democrat Party

Reply to hlthe2b (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 10, 2025, 01:00 PM

Apr 2025

They love to play with words and always try to demean what they don't like or understand.

ancianita

(42,896 posts)

10. The CNBC report that caused the market jump was in error. Check this thread.

Reply to hlthe2b (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 10, 2025, 02:09 PM

Apr 2025

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=3437425

Joinfortmill

(20,073 posts)

5. I heard countries were selling their bonds to pressure Trump.

Reply to Javaman (Original post)

Thu Apr 10, 2025, 01:31 PM

Apr 2025

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)

7. Canadian PM Carney, PhD Econ, has been running a US Treasuries strategy

Reply to Joinfortmill (Reply #5)

Thu Apr 10, 2025, 01:49 PM

Apr 2025

https://www.democraticunderground.com/11216266

Carney's Checkmate: How Canada's Quiet Bond Play Forced Trump to Drop Tariffs

moonshinegnomie

(3,869 posts)

6. normally during a market crash people rush to buy us bonds

Reply to Javaman (Original post)

Thu Apr 10, 2025, 01:36 PM

Apr 2025

thats not happening anymore. instead they are flocking to other saf ehavens lik ejapanese bonds or even gold. the us is no longer considered a reliable safe haven

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)

8. Partly because US dollar has declined about 3% in recent months, which is tRump's strategy

Reply to moonshinegnomie (Reply #6)

Thu Apr 10, 2025, 01:52 PM

Apr 2025

He wants to reduce size of US debt payments and make room for his tax cuts because tariff taxes ain't gonna cut it as tax revenue paid by US residents.