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H2O Man

(78,610 posts)
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 08:37 PM Apr 2025

A 2nd Reminder

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/apr/09/anti-protest-bills-trump


Older forum members may recall that yesterday I posted a brief essay on Saturday's rallies. It was titled “A Reminder,” and although yesterday was seemingly a long time ago, it still exists. But I'd like to update a few things.

I mentioned a good friend who loves to argue. On Sunday he was telling me that no rally or march accomplishes anything. He was making fun of me for standing out in the cold rain for two hours. He had asked me why I would do anything that stupid? I said I did it for his family.

My west coast brother sent me the article linked above. I sent the link to my friend, and many, many more people. My friend wrote back, “Okay, this shows I was wrong when I said rallies do no good. They wouldn't be trying to outlaw them otherwise.”

On the thread of yesterday's OP, my good friend “moniss” noted that there is a need for civil disobedience. I expressed my opinion that as we continue on this path, non-violent civil disobedience will come round. It appears that it might sooner than I anticipated.

This country needs a citizen-lead movement. Our political system has been corrupted, and we need to draw the line on the denial of Amendment 1 rights. We have the models of Martin Luther King, Jr., Cesar Chavez, and Dolores Hueta. And as we go forward, there will be grassroots collective leadership rising up across the country. And this will strengthen the leadership we are seeing from some in the House and Senate.
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A 2nd Reminder (Original Post) H2O Man Apr 2025 OP
Congressional Democrats, all, need to do town halls. gab13by13 Apr 2025 #1
Yes, they do! H2O Man Apr 2025 #3
Important article. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2025 #2
Yes. H2O Man Apr 2025 #5
Kick n/t musette_sf Apr 2025 #4
Thank you! H2O Man Apr 2025 #6
You are wise and I am grateful Easterncedar Apr 2025 #7
Thank you! H2O Man Apr 2025 #8
hell yeah! thank you H20 man! bluboid Apr 2025 #9
Thank you! H2O Man Apr 2025 #14
Thanks for this! We were out there with you! Hope22 Apr 2025 #10
Great! H2O Man Apr 2025 #15
Excellent post & linked article. I'm sorry I missed your first post, as they're always good. Hekate Apr 2025 #11
I started making my protest NJCher Apr 2025 #12
Agreed. I have to admit I miss my old town of Santa Barbara, as our anti-BushCheney marches were a hoot... Hekate Apr 2025 #13
Very good! H2O Man Apr 2025 #17
Thank you! H2O Man Apr 2025 #16
3 C's -- Courts, Crowds, & Courage and the 3.5% "rule" pat_k Apr 2025 #18
Thank you! H2O Man Apr 2025 #19

H2O Man

(78,610 posts)
5. Yes.
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 09:19 PM
Apr 2025

Call me old fashioned, but I like the Constitution. That includes Amendment 1. And one of my favorite John Lennon lines is, "You say you'll change the Constitution, we all want to change your head."

H2O Man

(78,610 posts)
15. Great!
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 12:32 AM
Apr 2025

We need to keep in mind that when we were in junior high school, we would not have taken any shit from a classmate like Stephen Miller. We'd have made him cry, mess his trousers, or both. And he has the felon's ear, despite not getting a lot of attention. Here's a recent article:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/flustered-stephen-miller-yells-over-000751898.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall

And if I am wrong -- I often am -- and anyone here was bullied by a Stephen Miller, now is the time to get back at him and the rest of these terrible human beings.

Hekate

(100,132 posts)
11. Excellent post & linked article. I'm sorry I missed your first post, as they're always good.
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 11:19 PM
Apr 2025

Here we are, on the eve of destruction, sitting around our metaphorical campfire sharing the news. Serious question — what if critical communications get fratzed accidentally on purpose?

I am counting on rallies continuing. I dug out about 10 political t-shirts from the past quarter-century or more — and a couple of long sleeved Hang10 sun/swim shirts and a big gardening hat. Mr Sun is not a friend to my Irish skin. I bought a couple more Hang10 shirts in different colors at Costco to wear under the political shirts.

More signs needed. So far all I have is the one I made for last weekend:
HEY-HEY, BOBK! HOW MANY KIDS WILL YOU KILL TODAY?
and the one I made the first time trump got in:
I CAN’T BELIEVE I STILL HAVE TO PROTEST THIS SH*T

Now I’m going to go find your prior post.

Take care
🌺

NJCher

(42,456 posts)
12. I started making my protest
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 11:32 PM
Apr 2025

Last edited Thu Apr 10, 2025, 12:24 AM - Edit history (1)

Sign better today too. It was an OK sign, and it served its purpose on Saturday, but I have been protesting for decades. I learned that protesting becomes a way of life for a while – – or at least until you achieve your goal.

The good news is that protesting is a lot of fun. It becomes like a social event and you see all your other compadres. And needless to say cleverness is on display with the signs.

Hekate

(100,132 posts)
13. Agreed. I have to admit I miss my old town of Santa Barbara, as our anti-BushCheney marches were a hoot...
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 12:08 AM
Apr 2025

…and there were a lot of associated activities. I was invited to join local Vets for Peace, so this lifelong civilian has several of those t-shirts. I want to make a sign indicating that we promised we’d take care of our vets for having put their brave young lives on the line, and how disgusted I am at TrumpMusk for breaking those promises. Has to be somewhat short and snappy.

See you on the hustings, NJCher.

H2O Man

(78,610 posts)
17. Very good!
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 12:45 AM
Apr 2025

Between the signs I saw in person Saturday, and those I've seen on the internet since, I think they are one of the most important things. I'm going to get together with friends to make more. I admire all of the humor that I've seen -- and serious one, too -- but I keep in mind that the felon hates to be laughed at.

H2O Man

(78,610 posts)
16. Thank you!
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 12:41 AM
Apr 2025

I think that you've raised a very important idea about critical communications. I think there is a very real chance of that happening, if even for "just" a matter of days. I need to think about that more -- including to some people who know about such things. And I'm sure there are community members who have insight and suggestions.

The cold and rain here on Saturday likely made it so political clothing was covered with coats. But I loved all the signs.

pat_k

(12,665 posts)
18. 3 C's -- Courts, Crowds, & Courage and the 3.5% "rule"
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 05:45 PM
Apr 2025

Last edited Thu Apr 10, 2025, 07:30 PM - Edit history (1)

Great interview with AZ Attorney General Kris Mayes. One thing she talks about is the 3 C's. Crowds matter. A lot.

https://www.hopiumchronicles.com/p/fighting-trumps-attack-on-our-constitutional?utm_campaign=post×tamp=42.4

"Nonviolent protests are twice as likely to succeed as armed conflicts – and those engaging a threshold of 3.5% of the population have never failed to bring about change."

https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190513-it-only-takes-35-of-people-to-change-the-world

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