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Mister Ed

(6,558 posts)
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 04:34 PM Apr 9

A terrible thought has ocurred to me regarding this apparent ongoing pump-and-dump scheme in the markets.

As Trump's seemingly capricious actions bounce stocks up and down like a yo-yo, there are tremendous fortunes to be made by those who are privy to his next decision. Through proxies (if necessary), they could short stocks that they know Trump is about to crash, or buy stocks on a low dip if they know Trump is about to reverse a decision and send those stocks bouncing upward again.

It's occurred to me that one person who would absolutely insist on being kept in the loop would be...Vladimir Putin. If that's the case, then Trump's actions might well be helping to reverse Russia's long stretch of economic adversity.

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A terrible thought has ocurred to me regarding this apparent ongoing pump-and-dump scheme in the markets. (Original Post) Mister Ed Apr 9 OP
Maybe Putin is calling the shots. Irish_Dem Apr 9 #1
Yes. Putin is a co-manipulator of the market and is raking in profits through his surrogate investors. John1956PA Apr 9 #2
Putin bdamomma Apr 9 #4
China? I know about the North Koreans who are fighting for Putin. OMGWTF Apr 9 #27
YES LiberalArkie Apr 9 #29
Frighteningly, yes. Chinese mercenaries are said to be in the war. John1956PA Apr 9 #31
no tariffs on Russia. Where is the Russia / Ukraine deal? I thought a few phone calls would have taken care of that?? Evolve Dammit Apr 9 #16
Mr. Magic dropping the ball on this deal. Irish_Dem Apr 9 #19
Maybe? nt yellowdogintexas Apr 9 #18
Yup, and Trump notified his buddies at 9:37 am ET to buy at the dip, just hours before he announced his tariff pause. SunSeeker Apr 9 #3
Insider Trader information? kentuck Apr 9 #26
Any way to take a look at who in the know is trading what and when? tinrobot Apr 9 #5
What would it matter? gab13by13 Apr 9 #7
The recipients don't have immunity from SCOTUS MadameButterfly Apr 10 #39
It's a hard, bumpy road to justice against any criminals in Dark n Stormy Knight Apr 10 #41
Have Pam Blondie jump right on that. rubbersole Apr 9 #12
Don't even have to be privy to the info... WarGamer Apr 9 #6
Is there a similar way for an investor to get out ahead of a stock's drastic downturn? n/t Mister Ed Apr 9 #8
Day Traders attempt it. WarGamer Apr 9 #10
Day traders rarely make the kind of money PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 9 #13
Thre are teams of traders at Goldman Sachs or hedge funds poring over data and the market... WarGamer Apr 9 #33
Which is why buying/investing PoindexterOglethorpe Apr 10 #35
Top options traders make good money WarGamer Apr 10 #36
The traders you mention develop dynamic automated programs that play market volatility nt. PufPuf23 Apr 10 #37
The market took off about 30 minutes BEFORE Trump's announcement. Somebody had inside info. TheRickles Apr 9 #9
That was the results of the bond auction... that started the Party. WarGamer Apr 9 #11
Of course, what would a Trump presidency be without blatant corruption? Bluepinky Apr 10 #38
Putin has a ton of money and is making more. yardwork Apr 9 #14
Some say that he's the richest person in the world. OMGWTF Apr 9 #30
There is no one or no process to hold the DICKtator accountable. NT SayItLoud Apr 9 #15
Every time the stock market tanks because of a government action/decision... A_Steel_Magnolia Apr 9 #17
Wasn't Muskovite asking not long ago why DEMOCRATIC Congress critters keep running, why they make so much Cheezoholic Apr 9 #20
Yes and it should be illegal.. he def gave people a heads up Meowmee Apr 9 #24
Requires Planning & Order Not In Evidence ProfessorGAC Apr 9 #21
Well, Senator Schiff has some thoughts on the issue intrepidity Apr 9 #34
Oh I tend to agree PatSeg Apr 9 #22
Yes good call 👏🏻 Meowmee Apr 9 #23
Insider trading and market manipulation BidenRocks Apr 9 #25
New phrase enid602 Apr 9 #28
Donald does not have the knowledge to do stillcool Apr 9 #32
Which is exactly why Congress should take it out of his control mdbl Apr 10 #40
Tyrant Iamscrewed Apr 10 #42
I've been saying this from the start. RhapsodyFav Apr 10 #43
Putin's personal wealth has been no benefit to Russia Kaleva Apr 10 #44
Yes, It is treason Nigrum Cattus Apr 10 #45

John1956PA

(3,933 posts)
2. Yes. Putin is a co-manipulator of the market and is raking in profits through his surrogate investors.
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 04:42 PM
Apr 9

Putin's long game is a war of attrition against Ukraine. He is now paying China to provide mercenaries to fight alongside the Russian troops in Ukraine.

OMGWTF

(4,659 posts)
27. China? I know about the North Koreans who are fighting for Putin.
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 07:30 PM
Apr 9

I heard a story from The Atlantic IIRC that if a NK soldier is captured alive their entire family will be killed. Sounds about right.

Fk I hate these people!

LiberalArkie

(17,943 posts)
29. YES
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 07:33 PM
Apr 9
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ukraine-says-more-than-150-chinese-mercenaries-are-fighting-for-russia-in-ukraine/ar-AA1CAiop

KYIV, Ukraine (AP) — Ukraine on Wednesday expanded on its claim that significant numbers of Chinese nationals are fighting for Russia’s invading army, saying it had gathered detailed intelligence on more than 150 mercenaries Moscow allegedly recruited through social media. In China, officials called the allegations “totally unfounded.”

The Ukrainian accusation and Chinese denial come as the U.S. strives to secure a ceasefire in the more than three-year war.

President Volodymyr Zelenskyy announced Tuesday that the Ukrainian military had captured two Chinese men fighting alongside the Russian army on Ukrainian soil. It was the first time Ukraine had made such a claim about Chinese fighters in the war.

Evolve Dammit

(20,502 posts)
16. no tariffs on Russia. Where is the Russia / Ukraine deal? I thought a few phone calls would have taken care of that??
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 06:37 PM
Apr 9

SunSeeker

(55,454 posts)
3. Yup, and Trump notified his buddies at 9:37 am ET to buy at the dip, just hours before he announced his tariff pause.
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 04:50 PM
Apr 9


If they did that, they made a lot of money in just a matter of hours.

MadameButterfly

(2,793 posts)
39. The recipients don't have immunity from SCOTUS
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 11:53 AM
Apr 10

Trump might pardon them but if these guys have to go to court and are convicted you can't say it didn't happen.
It's all about exposing the corruption and eroding Trump's support. We don't need the base, but we need everybody else to end this thing.

if anyone goes to prison--that would be icing on the cake. We just want our democracy back.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(10,346 posts)
41. It's a hard, bumpy road to justice against any criminals in
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 02:55 PM
Apr 10

the emporer's favor. But we must keep seeking justice and loudly letting the public know about the crooked Trump cabal.

WarGamer

(16,928 posts)
6. Don't even have to be privy to the info...
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 05:41 PM
Apr 9

Just watch stock charts and buy any huge green candle...

WarGamer

(16,928 posts)
10. Day Traders attempt it.
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 06:07 PM
Apr 9

Watch the news every second... rely on Discord groups or X pages with instant news flashes...

Or simple chart analysis... but that's not really useful i a chaotic market.

And NEVER sell stock from an emotional place.

A lot of people lost tons of money dumping their portfolios in the last week.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(27,744 posts)
13. Day traders rarely make the kind of money
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 06:23 PM
Apr 9

that buy and hold generates. I'm tempted to say they never make any money, but that's probably not correct.

And it is idiots who panic and sell at times like this that lose the most.

Now is the time to buy.

WarGamer

(16,928 posts)
33. Thre are teams of traders at Goldman Sachs or hedge funds poring over data and the market...
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 08:06 PM
Apr 9

THEY are making ALL the money.

Retail just goes after the crumbs.

PoindexterOglethorpe

(27,744 posts)
35. Which is why buying/investing
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 12:09 AM
Apr 10

in good funds will make someone a whole lot more money than individual day trading.

PufPuf23

(9,373 posts)
37. The traders you mention develop dynamic automated programs that play market volatility nt.
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 02:35 AM
Apr 10

Bluepinky

(2,393 posts)
38. Of course, what would a Trump presidency be without blatant corruption?
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 06:59 AM
Apr 10

You know this is another get rich quick scheme for Trump, his family and billionaire donors. He can do these tariff/stock market manipulations over and over, for an ongoing stream of money. 💰

yardwork

(66,171 posts)
14. Putin has a ton of money and is making more.
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 06:24 PM
Apr 9

However, he's not sharing it with the people of Russia.

OMGWTF

(4,659 posts)
30. Some say that he's the richest person in the world.
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 07:34 PM
Apr 9

Thom Hartmann tells the story about Putin inviting all of Russia's oligarchs to his palace. When they arrived, one of their own was in a cage and Putin said to give him half of their fortunes or they too, would end up in a cage. I believe it.

A_Steel_Magnolia

(87 posts)
17. Every time the stock market tanks because of a government action/decision...
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 06:52 PM
Apr 9

Every time the stock market tanks because of a government action/decision, especially going forward, the rich get richer while the poor lose jobs, home equity, savings, etc. Some of the gains are because the rich can ride it out, but congresscritters definitely benefit from insider trading, which is not illegal. MTG cashed out about $1M in stocks in March just before the tariff BS began. Think TSF didn't warn her?

Cheezoholic

(2,870 posts)
20. Wasn't Muskovite asking not long ago why DEMOCRATIC Congress critters keep running, why they make so much
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 07:06 PM
Apr 9

on a "mediocre" salary I think was his quote? Now I'm not as naïve as MTG's district of morons, I mean I knew she was worth roughly 10 million when she got elected. Her and hubby at the time inherited her daddy's big construction business. The rats in her district didn't find out until her big divorce. I know someone who lives in her district and they said when she first ran she went out and bought a 2500 dollar rusty old ford pick up and went door to door in it.

Sorry, MTG is a trigger for me

ProfessorGAC

(72,288 posts)
21. Requires Planning & Order Not In Evidence
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 07:10 PM
Apr 9

We have ample evidence that he is a buffoon surrounded by the gang that couldn't shoot straight.
The market is still down 4.2% YTD.
It also didn't require inside information. There was likely to be a bounce, the bond market reacted, and he's been ping-ponging on tariffs for weeks.
All highly predictable without inside information.

PatSeg

(50,077 posts)
22. Oh I tend to agree
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 07:15 PM
Apr 9

I don't think all of this is quite as chaotic as it appears and someone(s) is making a fortune off of his seemingly erratic behavior.

BidenRocks

(1,320 posts)
25. Insider trading and market manipulation
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 07:27 PM
Apr 9

Didn't we have a Securities and Exchange Commission to look into these crimes.
Once a felon...

stillcool

(33,618 posts)
32. Donald does not have the knowledge to do
Wed Apr 9, 2025, 07:46 PM
Apr 9

all that has been done. I think people give him far too much credit for following orders. It's the unknowable cabal that is giving the orders which is maddening. Instead of who benefits, it's more who hasn't gotten hurt. The way they unload billions every election cycle what would it take to hurt people like that? There's got to be some lines drawn somewhere but with all the chaos it must be a hoot for them all.

mdbl

(6,182 posts)
40. Which is exactly why Congress should take it out of his control
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 02:15 PM
Apr 10

Until then, we have a serial criminal messing with the markets. It actually deserves impeachment, conviction and removal from office but the weenies in the Pug party won't do that.

RhapsodyFav

(49 posts)
43. I've been saying this from the start.
Thu Apr 10, 2025, 03:26 PM
Apr 10

There is no way tRump and his ilk are not privy to what's going on and making bank on the swings. And of course no one will be investigated.

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