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The writing is on the wall. (Original Post) multigraincracker Apr 2025 OP
isn't that what they said after the Covid debacle? Skittles Apr 2025 #1
He did lose an election 10 months after Covid. Sadly, we failed to beat the worst candidate in history. Silent Type Apr 2025 #9
I think too many didn't think could win and just stayed home multigraincracker Apr 2025 #11
Could be, but happened in 2016 too. Are we that stupid? But, yeah, it's possible. Silent Type Apr 2025 #15
I reminded everyone that we needed to really run the score up IbogaProject Apr 2025 #16
yeah but he wasn't permanent "toast" Skittles Apr 2025 #17
until what occurs??? elleng Apr 2025 #2
I'll believe that when I see it. Ocelot II Apr 2025 #3
I hope you are right. I don't see him stepping down though and not sure there is enough support for impeachment... wcmagumba Apr 2025 #4
Not enough Republicans would vote to convict, no matter WHAT happens.... Jack Valentino Apr 2025 #22
Impeachment without conviction is as satisfying as a hug without a squeeze. elocs Apr 2025 #30
Ay yay yay Prairie Gates Apr 2025 #5
I think it will take at least into the summer Bernardo de La Paz Apr 2025 #6
He is past his best if used by date. multigraincracker Apr 2025 #7
Likely takedown scenarios usonian Apr 2025 #8
I'm very glad you're bringing up the potential for major black swans flamingdem Apr 2025 #20
Election hacking. How we scoffed at & ridiculed the maga cult when they were claiming that. elocs Apr 2025 #31
Excellent war-gaming scenarios. And thanks for linking from "The Next Terrorist Attack - And What Comes After" erronis Apr 2025 #33
How will that go down, and who will oust him? LudwigPastorius Apr 2025 #10
+1 Celerity Apr 2025 #27
Perhaps a massive rainstorm putting out a destructive fire? elocs Apr 2025 #32
A big surprise, like the measles gets him. multigraincracker Apr 2025 #12
"DT is toast. Another month at the most." J_William_Ryan Apr 2025 #13
As much as I wish I could disagree with you, I can't. calimary Apr 2025 #28
If only Grim Chieftain Apr 2025 #14
I wished I had your enthusiasm. William769 Apr 2025 #18
How many times have we heard that and yet, he goes on and on and on. MIButterfly Apr 2025 #19
Not even close. He will never be impeached, in the meaningful sense of the word. tman Apr 2025 #21
I think the best shot this country has is if a true patriot in the Secret Service emerges AZJonnie Apr 2025 #23
From your keyboard to dog's ears. raccoon Apr 2025 #24
Why do you say that? Still here after 10 years of insanity Meowmee Apr 2025 #25
I think markets will close early 2 days this week. Hopefully Mon and Wed bucolic_frolic Apr 2025 #26
We have heard that so many times it has become a joke Meowmee Apr 2025 #29
 

Silent Type

(12,412 posts)
9. He did lose an election 10 months after Covid. Sadly, we failed to beat the worst candidate in history.
Sun Apr 6, 2025, 10:48 PM
Apr 2025

I mostly blame underestimating the number of ignorant rubes in the country, which I’m guilty of too.

I do feel recent resistance is working.

IbogaProject

(5,625 posts)
16. I reminded everyone that we needed to really run the score up
Sun Apr 6, 2025, 11:17 PM
Apr 2025

Partially that would have wrecked him emotionally.

Skittles

(169,634 posts)
17. yeah but he wasn't permanent "toast"
Sun Apr 6, 2025, 11:30 PM
Apr 2025

there are too many seriously fucked up voters in this country

and no WE don't misunderstand them - they are a FUCKING DISGRACE

wcmagumba

(5,660 posts)
4. I hope you are right. I don't see him stepping down though and not sure there is enough support for impeachment...
Sun Apr 6, 2025, 10:30 PM
Apr 2025

Jack Valentino

(4,381 posts)
22. Not enough Republicans would vote to convict, no matter WHAT happens....
Mon Apr 7, 2025, 01:24 AM
Apr 2025

... although in his second impeachment, when 6 Republicans DID vote to convict,
that was the first time in American history when any senators broke with their party
in a presidential impeachment trial....

What Trump is doing now with tariffs would be poor grounds for impeachment,
since the Congress made it legal way back in the 1970s,
for cases of "national emergency".... Yeah, there really IS no emergency,
but that muddied the waters enough that he claims there is one allowing him to do this,
so the trial would be left to argue what constitutes a 'national emergency' or not.

Other issues, there may be quite a list by now---
but I don't see anything that will drive enough Republican senators
to vote for a conviction on anything--- UNLESS of course,
they began to fear for their own lives, if they didn't.


However, we don't even have the votes in the House to successfully impeach him,
without a number of Republicans with the courage to vote that way. I don't see them, either.

 

elocs

(24,486 posts)
30. Impeachment without conviction is as satisfying as a hug without a squeeze.
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 03:28 AM
Apr 2025

Trump is an eventuality that our Founding Fathers never anticipated and so left us without any practical remedy.
No, Ben, we couldn't keep it.

Bernardo de La Paz

(60,320 posts)
6. I think it will take at least into the summer
Sun Apr 6, 2025, 10:37 PM
Apr 2025

Market tanking is not enough though bad enough. Markets have tanked before and the economy shuffled along. This time is different. Different because he is blindly (via Mucus) slashing government. That is contractionary but it will take a few months to have an undeniable effect on the economy.

His other moves like closing the Dept of Education and even those with no direct economic damage will also take time. But a few months will bring things into better focus when unemployment begins to climb.

multigraincracker

(37,017 posts)
7. He is past his best if used by date.
Sun Apr 6, 2025, 10:41 PM
Apr 2025

Brain, heart or some other organ. It’ll be his excuse to get out of town. Does not take criticism well. Already has his own party turning on him. SC and Judges he appointed. His tariff plan was the finale nail. No one likes it.

usonian

(23,594 posts)
8. Likely takedown scenarios
Sun Apr 6, 2025, 10:46 PM
Apr 2025

These are likely based on the current situation.
And one probable explanation for the low visibility of some party leaders.

First a table-setter.

A. Trump is catering to Putin, but Putin has him outsmarted by at least 100 IQ points, and really does hold the goods on Trump, unless Musk bought them. They are in the nature of Epstein class videos. You know what I mean.



One.

A massive hack by likely culprits Russia, China or North Korea takes down the entire U.S. internet, water and power plants and top-level government communications. This would interestingly shut down RW media and social sites. Only lower level military and state disaster personnel are operational. What about Starlink? Sloppy security means they are knocked out. Since it ousted Verizon for the White House, confusion reigns.

Key to this is the use of home phones by Hogseth and company. Home phones, despite a secure messaging app like Signal, are trivially hacked to capture the screen, cameras and microphones, making security meaningless.

The basis of the larger hack is the fact that China infiltrated major telcos, which called for emergency actions by Joe Biden. Much of Biden’s security directives have been undone, especially by the appointment of clowns, including the recent firing of the head of NSA.

Two

A physical attack is made on the US, given it’s new clowncar security by cronies with no expertise. These may include a terrorist missile attack on the White House/Capitol/Golf Resort, Wall Street. Lax defense leadership, concerned only with DEI, makes this attack an easy one. Given the customary crowd of asslicking appointees, this wipes out …. well, use your imagination.

Defense? With all the ideologically motivated firings in defense and air traffic control, commercial planes are crashing. Consider air and other defense a sieve.

And with freshly angered enemies overseas (Does the name Iran strike a familiar note?) they overcome their incompetence in combination with lax security, open the door to a quick submarine/land or terrorist cell attack. Cuba? Sure. Submarine? No offense to the Navy and Coast Guard, their calls to Washington are ignored.

Three

An insider has had enough of the treason and manages to expose some damning evidence. Using AI?

That may include Musk’s election hacking, the Putin files on his orange Krasnov, or who knows what. Everyone has a conscience inside, despite all efforts to stifle it. This may even include Putin himself, either through illness or a precision attack on him from any number of enemies.


Side note: If you were a former president or VP watching the country being destroyed in a coup, would you remain silent?

I suspect, only if you are building a solid case for removal (April 2 added to it) so solid that cult collaborators in the house and senate would impeach (especially in any of the above scenarios, including treason, which is NOT a proper presidential duty), based on predictable consequences of the current situation. And a practical national recovery plan.


flamingdem

(40,793 posts)
20. I'm very glad you're bringing up the potential for major black swans
Mon Apr 7, 2025, 12:09 AM
Apr 2025

The trashing of our economy is happening right now.

Again people fairly blase.

Bigger things are coming. Probably to do with hacking and infrastructure.
Stealing from banks? Unimaginable things.

If what we're seeing can happen without anyone being able to push back effectively --
we are too ripe a fruit not to get picked.

 

elocs

(24,486 posts)
31. Election hacking. How we scoffed at & ridiculed the maga cult when they were claiming that.
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 03:34 AM
Apr 2025

When all the time they were planning on doing that to us and as a result changed the history of the world.
And here I thought I was going to have a nice, quiet retirement and instead I got TEOTWAWKI. Damn! I hate when that happens!

erronis

(22,688 posts)
33. Excellent war-gaming scenarios. And thanks for linking from "The Next Terrorist Attack - And What Comes After"
Sat Apr 19, 2025, 10:14 AM
Apr 2025
https://www.democraticunderground.com/100220252323

We (the USA) has been put in an extremely weak position. Democracies and reasonably open societies are always at a defense disadvantage but having traitors running the business makes failure so much more likely.
 

elocs

(24,486 posts)
32. Perhaps a massive rainstorm putting out a destructive fire?
Mon Apr 14, 2025, 03:45 AM
Apr 2025

Or like the snow in the Wizard of Oz awakening the sleeping Dorothy & co.

Maybe America as suffered from the sin of national pride, hubris, believing we were so great that would/could never be taken down or collapse like so many other world powers throughout history. Sadly, our Founding Fathers never anticipated a Trump, somebody who so many of us took to be nothing more than a joke when he appeared on the political scene.

J_William_Ryan

(3,343 posts)
13. "DT is toast. Another month at the most."
Sun Apr 6, 2025, 10:55 PM
Apr 2025

Unfortunately not.

The clown cabinet is comprised of cowards.

Congressional Republicans are just as much cowards.

We’re trapped in the nightmare for the next four years.

calimary

(89,054 posts)
28. As much as I wish I could disagree with you, I can't.
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 10:05 PM
Apr 2025

I would be SOOOOOOOOooooooooo happy to be wrong.

But another problem would come up, then. Look who we’d get to succeed the donald! J. D. Vance!

Grim Chieftain

(1,267 posts)
14. If only
Sun Apr 6, 2025, 10:56 PM
Apr 2025

The evil bastard has eviscerated our democracy, our economy, our standing in the world, crapped on our allies, attacked the economic stability of our people, crapped all over the Constitution, and made us a laughingstock throughout the world and has gotten away with all of it - all in less than three months. I do not see any signs of blowback. He is evil personified and the weak assed Democrats and complicit Republicans are allowing this to happen.

I wish I had your optimism.

MIButterfly

(2,104 posts)
19. How many times have we heard that and yet, he goes on and on and on.
Sun Apr 6, 2025, 11:55 PM
Apr 2025

I hope you're right but I am not optimistic about it.

AZJonnie

(2,839 posts)
23. I think the best shot this country has is if a true patriot in the Secret Service emerges
Mon Apr 7, 2025, 04:03 AM
Apr 2025

Next 'best' is if a lot of really rich GOP donors start seriously losing money from Trump's insane actions, they may start letting the House and Senate members know that they are not going to be receiving their usual donations. If, at the same time, 401k values crash, prices keep going up (esp. on stuff Murkan's can't live without like beef, and big trucks and SUV's), unemployment rises, unions are busted, home values start falling (home equity is the primary 'wealth' of a hell of a lot of people), and SS and Medicare/Medicaid benefits are also being fucked with (all of which seem like pretty plausible outcomes at this point)? Trump's approval could plummet to the low 30's, and at that point, we might see the GOP's congressional flying monkey brigade start seriously peeling off because they're afraid of losing their cushy positions (and rich people's campaign money).

Personally I'd like to see State AG's issuing arrest warrants for IQ47 for the ICE kidnappings and extraordinary renditions of people to CECOT without due process.

Meowmee

(9,212 posts)
25. Why do you say that? Still here after 10 years of insanity
Mon Apr 7, 2025, 05:00 AM
Apr 2025

And has had no consequences for his numerous crimes including murdering millions with covid and an insurrection. Unless R get rid of him, which I don't think they will, he isn't going anywhere.

bucolic_frolic

(54,068 posts)
26. I think markets will close early 2 days this week. Hopefully Mon and Wed
Mon Apr 7, 2025, 05:18 AM
Apr 2025

and not Mon and Fri because an end of week panic would really bring on a crash the following week.

As to how long Republicans will tolerate? They can pivot? One day 10,000% Trump the next week impeach and remove? Convince him to resign? Not going to happen. Not 10 of them would admit they were wrong. I've changed my concrete mind about Trump is not a survivable political marketing posture.

Meowmee

(9,212 posts)
29. We have heard that so many times it has become a joke
Sun Apr 13, 2025, 10:30 PM
Apr 2025

Sorry, forgot I replied to this one already 😹

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