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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThere are no midsize cars made by the big threee domestic automakers.
Just saying...

Scrivener7
(55,041 posts)this didn't hit their prices hard too.
MichMan
(14,712 posts)For many years US and Canadian content is combined under one number.
DemocratSinceBirth
(100,838 posts)Last edited Wed Apr 2, 2025, 07:27 PM - Edit history (1)
I don't believe any car is 100% U S made. On edit it will add an additional $175.00. Mea culpa.
mwmisses4289
(814 posts)Most of the folks I know who work at dealerships say you can't find anything for less than 5-7 hundred per month.
DemocratSinceBirth
(100,838 posts)mwmisses4289
(814 posts)haele
(14,087 posts)That's when you can pay $150 a month or so for 5 years.
5 years ago, with average/good credit, my $18k then-new Honda Fit cost me $280 a month for a 5 year term, with military discount, and $4k (from a salvage payment) down.
I don't think there's any new car out there under $20k.
Perhaps the rep was talking about a Lease for, say, a "Smart Car"...
The Madcap
(1,081 posts)$1,175....at least for those big trucks.
DemocratSinceBirth
(100,838 posts)The Madcap
(1,081 posts)But mine works as well. It was a joke.
ProfessorGAC
(72,183 posts)Per automobile trade publications, there are no cars 100% made in the US.
It's disingenuous to say that they can't tell. Accounting in big companies doesn't work that way.
The closest to 100% American is Tesla.
Tesla EVs are the most made-in-America vehicles, Cars.com reports
Most American-Made Vehicle? The Tesla Model Y
DetroitLegalBeagle
(2,334 posts)The CT5.
DemocratSinceBirth
(100,838 posts)It has a starting price of $49,900.00
MichMan
(14,712 posts)Response to MichMan (Reply #8)
DemocratSinceBirth This message was self-deleted by its author.
DemocratSinceBirth
(100,838 posts)That's nearly eighty percent more than the starting price of an Accord or Camry which is $28,000 00. On a five year loan at 7% that's around an additional $450.00 a month.
DetroitLegalBeagle
(2,334 posts)And it's starting price, as MichMan pointed out, is basically the avg new car price these days.
DemocratSinceBirth
(100,838 posts)A base Camry or Accord will set you back $28,000. On a five year loan that's around $450.00 a month. That's not chump change.
EdmondDantes_
(373 posts)For a mid-size that's a steep price and if it's like other cars, finding the base model is probably hard. But sadly so many Americans want a giant SUV which is a large part of why the US manufacturers don't make many sedans.
DemocratSinceBirth
(100,838 posts)It's like saying a Lexus ES 350 or a Mercedes E Class is a midsize car.
MichMan
(14,712 posts)Otherwise it would be referred to as a mid priced car instead
DemocratSinceBirth
(100,838 posts)Luxury Mid Size Car =/= Mid Size Car.The base CT5 cost at least $20,000.00 more than a base K 5, Camry, Accord, Altima, MX-5, et cetera. Hell, it cost more than twice as much as the midsized Subaru Legacy.
flvegan
(64,873 posts)The Miata? Really?
DemocratSinceBirth
(100,838 posts)
flvegan
(64,873 posts)BTW, for the sake of the original conversation, you can still get a 2025 Chevy Malibu for around $26-27k. Not for long though, as this is the last year I believe.
DemocratSinceBirth
(100,838 posts)The Malibu was discontinued. Was 24 or 25 the last year? Yes, the CT5 is a mid sized car that is made in America, but it is a mid sized luxury car with an attendant price. I should have started my thread by saying there are no mid sized cars built in the United States but the luxury mid sized luxury Cadillac CT5 with a starting price of $49,900.00.
flvegan
(64,873 posts)The CT5 wouldn't be the best Cadillac example here anyway. The CT4 would be. Still not cheap, but cheaper than the CT5.
DetroitLegalBeagle
(2,334 posts)They are pretty small on the inside. Got stuck in one as a loaner when I had to take our Escalade in for a recall. They ran out of loaner Escalades and XT6's(my Cadillac dealer tries to match you with equivalent loaner vehicles.)
MichMan
(14,712 posts)Luxury Mid Sized car by definition is still midsized.
DemocratSinceBirth
(100,838 posts)Would it have been better if I started my thread with this lede- "There are no mid-sized cars made in America except the luxury brand Cadillac CT 5 with a base price of $49,900.00"?
Mountainguy
(1,661 posts)You'll have to start pushing 60k to get the better packages
muriel_volestrangler
(103,388 posts)The problem is that Americans are hooked on SUVs and pickups. With the fuel consumption problems they bring. And pedestrian fatalities.
roamer65
(37,537 posts)MayReasonRule
(2,918 posts)Currently utilizing FCP Euro for parts, including periodic replacement lubricants and parts to minimize cost. They have a lifetime replacement policy on everything including lubricants, pads, etc.
See how that holds out...
Damned if I know!
MichMan
(14,712 posts)MayReasonRule
(2,918 posts)Once they've received the shipment they check against prior purchases and ship it out ASAP.
Time will tell though... I mean shit, I dont' want 'em to go bankrupt!
They've been my favorite supplier!
MichMan
(14,712 posts)I bought 4 coils for my VW in 2019. At the time they were $27 each. They are now $82 each.
If I decide to replace them and buy all four for $328, they will only refund $110. Not really a lifetime replacement anymore. It would be cheaper for me to just go out and buy another brand from Rock Auto.
I use them when I can, but the LRG policy isn't what it used to be.
MayReasonRule
(2,918 posts)Great to know ahead!
Oh well, better than full price!
You're on point, and I really am grateful to at least know ahead!
MichMan
(14,712 posts)
MayReasonRule
(2,918 posts)
keep_left
(2,817 posts)Except for the Cadillac model that a DUer mentioned in this thread: the CTS, a midsize luxury sedan, discontinued in 2019. (It was replaced by the CT5).
Most of the auto industry has abandoned the sedan market, as the crossover SUVs are a lot more popular with customers. There are still a few sedans being made, mostly by the Japanese (Toyota Camry, Honda Accord, etc.), but even those don't sell as well as their crossover vehicles. (The cynic in me says that the profit margin on the crossovers is also higher).
ILikePie92
(32 posts)I'd always read that the Toyota Tundra was the most "made in the usa" vehicle. Does a have any info on which cars if any are 100% made in the us?
DemocratSinceBirth
(100,838 posts)ProfessorGAC
(72,183 posts)I found 8 sites, none AI, that said no cars sold in the US are 100% made here.
DemocratSinceBirth
(100,838 posts)ProfessorGAC
(72,183 posts)I saw numbers as high as 80% and as low as 55%.
Of course, neither is anything close to 100%
So, we're safe in saying "none".
BTW: those values were talking about mass produced cars. Maybe there are some custom shop stuff that's 100% US made.
ILikePie92
(32 posts)I'm slow to put my faith in anything AI tells me.....yet. Maybe someday.
I know for a fact that there are zero 100% cars made here with parts from here.
dsc
(52,849 posts)and at that point the only choices were the Malibu and the 300. Both were considerably more expensive than what I wound up getting (a Kia K5). This Kia is the first foreign car I ever bought but I had very little choice then and will have no choice in the future. It stinks but it is what it is. I will buy a Kia next time, it has been a great car.
DemocratSinceBirth
(100,838 posts)I'm surprised the Malibu was appreciably more.
dsc
(52,849 posts)I guess I am the odd man out but I really do prefer a sedan.
DemocratSinceBirth
(100,838 posts)I wanted to buy an American smart TV. The only TVs made in America are projection TVs.
dsc
(52,849 posts)The focus was a massively selling car as was the taurus but both got discontinued. I couldn't afford the 300. I did consider the Malibu but it was a bit more pricey and a lesser car with a less good warranty. At least the Kia is assembled here.
DemocratSinceBirth
(100,838 posts)dsc
(52,849 posts)I would have replaced my focus with another one had that car still been for sale at a cost lower than my Kia. I admittedly went a bit bigger this time, decided I deserved a nice car. The focus had been discontinued when I came looking for a new car. I do wonder what US companies are thinking by ceding the automobile market.
DemocratSinceBirth
(100,838 posts)dsc
(52,849 posts)by far the best new car I ever got. I had thought I would get a high end used car (say a caddy or a mercedes or a lincoln) but I got this car when Covid caused the used market to go haywire and that wasn't viable. Turned out I made a good decision.
DemocratSinceBirth
(100,838 posts)dsc
(52,849 posts)it was the thing that fully swung me to the Kia over all of the other options.
DemocratSinceBirth
(100,838 posts)dsc
(52,849 posts)JanMichael
(25,555 posts)Practically bulletproof. Even put run flats on it. Unfortunately it is over 130k miles so time is limited.
questionseverything
(10,654 posts)Awd too
JanMichael
(25,555 posts)Other than people running into it and breaking out a window on April 1st I've had no problems at all.
I want to go electric or plug in electric soon.
Jose Garcia
(3,133 posts)Midsized cars don't get that great fuel economy, and trucks (which includes SUVs) are exempt.
Ms. Toad
(36,501 posts)Jose Garcia
(3,133 posts)Ms. Toad
(36,501 posts)I responded to a question which asserted "Midsized cars don't get that great fuel economy." There were no restrictions on country of origin in the post I responded to. The Prius is a midsized car, according to the EPA, regardless of where it was made. Not only that, but Toyota has to meet corporate CAFE standards.
If US manufacturers made more cars (midsized or otherwise) which were designed to get high mileage, meeting the standards would not be so challenging.
The Madcap
(1,081 posts)Of the big truck epidemic. And the car industry.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(27,658 posts)Under 50k miles, because I don't drive that much. But at least it's a stick, which is all I will drive.
shanti
(21,738 posts)You don't have to worry so much about someone stealing your car.
PoindexterOglethorpe
(27,658 posts)I will say that some years ago I was driving my son and couple of his high school friends somewhere, and they were very impressed I was driving a stick.
Decades ago I decided that when I can no longer drive a stick, it will be time to give up driving.
WarGamer
(16,769 posts)Rated #1 with more than 75% domestic US content.
MichMan
(14,712 posts)Impossible to break it down into US content only. Every single window sticker on every new car or truck has them combined together.
NHTSA has provided these reports as an aid to consumers considering the purchase of a new vehicle. The charts list information that NHTSA received from vehicle manufacturers about the U.S./Canadian content (by value) of the equipment (parts) used to assemble passenger motor vehicles.
The American Automobile Labeling Act (AALA) defines a passenger motor vehicle as a motor vehicle designed to carry not more than 12 persons with a gross vehicle weight rating not greater than 8,500 pounds and includes multipurpose passenger vehicles and light duty trucks. It does not include a motorcycle or a truck not designed primarily to carry its operator or passengers, i.e., a delivery truck. A label with the U.S./Canada content percentage and related additional information must be displayed on these vehicles up to the time of first retail sale.
https://www.nhtsa.gov/part-583-american-automobile-labeling-act-reports
radius777
(3,921 posts)state of the art EV's for $20k - that would be great for American consumers and the environment.
Consumers always win and prices always go down as a result of trade.
MichMan
(14,712 posts)That would be an average of $6.33 per hour. Consumers just want cheap prices
https://www.salaryexpert.com/salary/job/automotive-worker/china
radius777
(3,921 posts)If we can't make autos for an affordable price then we can do other things. Eventually I think AI/Robots will build all cars anyway. I believe Bill Clinton and Obama were correct to want 'hemispheric' trade especially, which NAFTA was about. The Chinese BYD's are being built in Mexico.
MichMan
(14,712 posts)As long as it is someone else's problem, people are pretty cavalier about it.
Living in Michigan for 60 plus years, and working in the auto industry, I have seen dozens and dozens of manufacturing plants shuttered and abandoned after production was moved to Mexico because wages were cheaper and environmental rules were lax. Decimated smaller towns all over the Midwest that never really recovered. Those factory jobs paid decent wages, and generation after generation worked at them and paid taxes that supported their local communities.
On one hand, we advocate for workers getting higher wages and support those who are striking for them, yet are OK when jobs are moved to low wage countries as long as it makes products cheaper. I just don't get it.
Fifteen years ago............
The Whirlpool Corp. plans to start closing its refrigerator plant in Evansville, Ind., on March 26. The refrigerators now manufactured at this plant will be produced in Mexico, eliminating 1,100 local jobs. Meanwhile, Whirlpool--the world's largest home appliance maker--enjoys healthy profits and has received a $19 million economic matching grant that should be creating jobs here in America.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php/www/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=151x7476
Justice matters.
(8,236 posts)There will not be sufficient workforce applicants to fill their positions once they'll retire.
Globally, we're almost already there, and the actual clamp down on immigration will not help (the opposite):
https://www.uschamber.com/workforce/understanding-americas-labor-shortage
Polybius
(19,631 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(100,838 posts)MichMan
(14,712 posts)Owned by Fiat, Peugeot and Citroen with HQ in the Netherlands
Jack Bone
(2,040 posts)Stellantis is it’s own entity, not “owned” by anybody. We are a global company…and The Dodge Charger is coming back! (Maybe the Chrysler 300 later as well…same platform)
MichMan
(14,712 posts)Last edited Thu Apr 3, 2025, 06:57 AM - Edit history (2)
Key Points
Dodge sold more discontinued gas-powered Chargers (1,052) and Challengers (922) than the new Charger Daytona EV (1,947) in Q1 2025.
The Charger Daytona EV averaged just 22 sales per day nationwide.
Ford sold 9,377 Mustangs during the same period, despite a sales dip.
Tesla in comparison sold 362,000 in Q1 of 2025 or 4000 a day.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/the-dodge-charger-daytona-ev-is-irrelevant-to-shoppers/ar-AA1C9RfS?ocid=BingNewsSerp
marble falls
(64,385 posts)

Haven't gone all through Ford, or checked on GM or Chrysler. Could we consider the BMWs, VWs and Hondas built in the US as midsized US made sedans?
MichMan
(14,712 posts)It isn't sold in North America
https://fordauthority.com/2024/10/2025-ford-taurus-officially-debuts-with-new-hybrid-engine/
NJCher
(39,565 posts)I used to know car models like the people on this thread.
I lost interest, however. Now, I just drive whatever somebody gives me. I never pay for anything.
Have a great car though, perfect for my needs.