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Demovictory9

(37,113 posts)
Sat Mar 29, 2025, 03:21 PM Mar 2025

The new risk for residents of senior living communities - private equity's search for profits

At one senior living community outside Chicago, residents say when new owners took over, monthly maintenance fees skyrocketed to the point where they had to move out of the place they thought would be their forever home. NBC News’ Maggie Vespa reports

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The new risk for residents of senior living communities - private equity's search for profits (Original Post) Demovictory9 Mar 2025 OP
I always wonder about these efforts by investors to find/locate and seize opportunities to buy out and invest in SWBTATTReg Mar 2025 #1
Residents assumed that their detailed signed contracts were legal documents that would be upheld Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #2
yes, they did. private equity swoops in with their lawyers and muck it up. Demovictory9 Mar 2025 #5
Corrupt billionaires own the country and judges. They do what they want. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #9
"Legal documents?" GiqueCee Mar 2025 #16
We are in end stage capitalism, pillage and ruin of Americans. Irish_Dem Mar 2025 #19
Far too many people... GiqueCee Mar 2025 #24
Capitalism could be called the dictatorship of capital. nt Comrade Citizen Mar 2025 #31
they were guaranteed, in writing, to get 85% of their buy in back if they chose to move out. the contract was null when Demovictory9 Mar 2025 #3
Sounds like they favored churn, where someone was making money all of the time, from the buying/selling of SWBTATTReg Mar 2025 #6
When you run out of the money yoo True Blue American Mar 2025 #23
My neighbor hires local college kids to be around once a week or so Demovictory9 Mar 2025 #27
The regular residents and original owners didn't consider that could happen. haele Mar 2025 #7
A must watch. dalton99a Mar 2025 #4
Jaybird and Citrine require a severe lesson. byronius Mar 2025 #13
More like private equity's desire to rid themselves of something that is not profitable. OldBaldy1701E Mar 2025 #8
Kick em when they're up Nonnia Bisnez Mar 2025 #10
How is this not criminal? dickthegrouch Mar 2025 #11
Which is EXACTLY WHY . . . AverageOldGuy Mar 2025 #12
He can live a fancy life anywhere on that $7200 per month Demovictory9 Mar 2025 #15
Guessing that cognitive skills and families wanting to just "get this over" is a factor. erronis Mar 2025 #20
If you don't own it, you don't control it. snot Mar 2025 #14
+1. Private equity should be banned from healthcare, housing and essential services dalton99a Mar 2025 #17
But they've already controlled the US (and state) governments. Good luck with banning! erronis Mar 2025 #21
I would stop after the word banned EdmondDantes_ Mar 2025 #28
Private equity cares only about money, nothing else. sakabatou Mar 2025 #18
We need to create a "predatory" tax classification, and place all private equity firms dobleremolque Mar 2025 #22
Vulture capitalism. Like corporate for-profit prisons. Lotta money in both. And now take their SS. Evolve Dammit Mar 2025 #25
It's all about PROFITS, and not at all about morality. Common decency. We have allowed a few freakish people PatrickforB Mar 2025 #26
Increases of taxes and insurance are bad enough bucolic_frolic Mar 2025 #29
That picture looked exactly True Blue American Mar 2025 #30
"Greed is good" Dark n Stormy Knight Mar 2025 #32

SWBTATTReg

(26,048 posts)
1. I always wonder about these efforts by investors to find/locate and seize opportunities to buy out and invest in
Sat Mar 29, 2025, 04:05 PM
Mar 2025

these sorts of places and I always wonder, didn't the original residents put in safeguards to prevent this sort of thing from happening? Surely, they can't be that dense or not think that unscrupulous investors would step in a heartbeat and stir up things for these seniors who had bought their places thinking that their purchases were a lifetime deal, something to be passed down in family wills or trusts to their children or heirs.

Just what does someone get, when they buy one of these places? Do they get an all in one package, the estate/apartment itself, the things included w/ the purchased apartments, such as ride share to doc's appts, to the grocery store and/or other shopping venues (well planned out, in advance, each and every week), regular appointments by doctors and/or nurses to such facilities on a per weekly basis or such, and other items that come in handy, such as swimming pools, spas, etc. Of course, such things are probably provided on a sliding scale, and you pick and choose what you want, perhaps on an annual basis.

What gets me too, is that so many bought into places that have such giant outstanding future bills (a new roof, other such giant expenses), and that these places didn't already have some sort of set aside, for these regular upgrades/updates needed on every place
that is out there, not just in Florida either, but everywhere.

Irish_Dem

(79,859 posts)
2. Residents assumed that their detailed signed contracts were legal documents that would be upheld
Sat Mar 29, 2025, 04:12 PM
Mar 2025

in a court of law.

GiqueCee

(3,415 posts)
16. "Legal documents?"
Sat Mar 29, 2025, 05:07 PM
Mar 2025

"We don't need no stinkin' legal documents!" We'll just rape you financially, and then demand that you say, "Thank you, sir."

Private equity is a malignant cancer that should be wiped off the face of the Earth forever. They took their business model from the Mafia.

GiqueCee

(3,415 posts)
24. Far too many people...
Sat Mar 29, 2025, 05:39 PM
Mar 2025

... conflate capitalism with free enterprise. Tain't no such thang. Capitalism is the control and manipulation of capital – MONEY – and there's nothing free about it. Except for the capitalists' belief that their privilege extends to being "free" to take whatever the hell they want from you, and y'all got nothin' to say about it.

Demovictory9

(37,113 posts)
3. they were guaranteed, in writing, to get 85% of their buy in back if they chose to move out. the contract was null when
Sat Mar 29, 2025, 04:13 PM
Mar 2025

the property was sold.

By the way, there is nothing to pass on to kids as the parents are buying the right to live there, not the actual property. it's not like buying a condo... but still I assume they thought heirs would get 85% back.

they now realize it was a crappy deal because they would only have gotten 85% of purchase price... the property has increased in value

SWBTATTReg

(26,048 posts)
6. Sounds like they favored churn, where someone was making money all of the time, from the buying/selling of
Sat Mar 29, 2025, 04:20 PM
Mar 2025

properties in a rising real estate market. Thanks for the heads up. I didn't know that the contract would be null and void when new owners showed up, no wonder that they are trying to get more than a majority stake in the units, over 50% to get control of the voting block.

True Blue American

(18,579 posts)
23. When you run out of the money yoo
Sat Mar 29, 2025, 05:37 PM
Mar 2025

Invested in a Cottage they put you on Medicare and move you to a smaller place.
I have investigated and compared. I can live cheaper in my house, hire my work done and be independent.

I heard all that but I want my independence.. my kids thought it would be nice, after a couple of health set backs. But think they now understand the Nursing home I did rehab in sold and their prices went up drastically. Beautiful place but my House is me.
Insurance companies are giving all kinds of benefits to keep you in your house.

I do my water aorobics, enjoy friendships and stay busy. Am much better now. My house work. If I can’t I hire it done. Still cheaper if you keep it up.
I feel ll for those people.

Demovictory9

(37,113 posts)
27. My neighbor hires local college kids to be around once a week or so
Sat Mar 29, 2025, 06:03 PM
Mar 2025

While she walks or is active..

haele

(15,087 posts)
7. The regular residents and original owners didn't consider that could happen.
Sat Mar 29, 2025, 04:22 PM
Mar 2025

No more than most people or companies think their various property or collective management groups, mortgage or loan holders, companies holding their benefit or insurance policies might be bought out by private equity groups.
Private property owners have been bought out, or their estates sold off, leaving renters or people dependent on services or contracts from the original owners vulnerable to vulture capital.
You can't do much about future debt, that's the risk you take when you decide to invest.

dalton99a

(92,146 posts)
4. A must watch.
Sat Mar 29, 2025, 04:17 PM
Mar 2025

Article is at

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/vietnam-vet-found-dream-senior-living-community-new-owners-jacked-rent-rcna195175

A Vietnam vet found a dream senior living community. Then new owners jacked up the rent by 365%.
Residents of senior living facilities typically expect to live out their remaining years when they buy into a community. But a new dynamic in the industry is altering the deals these residents agreed to.
March 29, 2025, 5:00 AM CDT
By Gretchen Morgenson

When Martha Bray and her husband moved into River Glen of St. Charles, a senior living community west of Chicago, she figured it would be her last home. The couple loved the neighborhood’s tree-lined streets, tended lawns and tidy red-brick townhomes.

The Brays paid a $314,000 entry fee for their townhouse in 2013, plus a monthly maintenance fee. They didn’t own the property, but if they decided to leave, their contract promised they’d receive 85% of the current value determined by a local realtor.

A Vietnam veteran, Bray, 84, thrived at River Glen even after her husband died in 2016. But all that changed with a knock at Bray’s door in late June 2023. River Glen had been sold to a private equity firm and real estate investment group, she was told, and her financial contract was changing.

River Glen’s new owners, Jaybird Capital of Cedar Rapids, Iowa, and Citrine Investment Group of Chicago, were jacking up Bray’s monthly maintenance from $1,395 to $6,500, a 365% increase, Bray said. And if she didn’t like the deal and left the community, she would receive only 75% of the entry fee she’d paid more than a decade earlier.

“We had to agree to their conditions by Sept. 1 or move,” Bray recalled.

...

byronius

(7,905 posts)
13. Jaybird and Citrine require a severe lesson.
Sat Mar 29, 2025, 04:45 PM
Mar 2025

Legal if possible, personal if not.

Such are the risks of immoral finance.

OldBaldy1701E

(10,192 posts)
8. More like private equity's desire to rid themselves of something that is not profitable.
Sat Mar 29, 2025, 04:26 PM
Mar 2025

I doubt there will be such a thing as 'assisted living' and/or 'nursing homes' outside of the wealthiest enclaves before too long. The rest don't have any reason to exist when they will all be owned by conglomerates that will be liquidating them the second they think they can get away with it.

 

Nonnia Bisnez

(90 posts)
10. Kick em when they're up
Sat Mar 29, 2025, 04:31 PM
Mar 2025

kick em when they're down
Kick em when they're up
Kick em all around
Don Henley

dickthegrouch

(4,299 posts)
11. How is this not criminal?
Sat Mar 29, 2025, 04:34 PM
Mar 2025

Billionaires making the rules for themselves and thinking they're clever as usual.

I'd sue the person/company I'd written my original contract with for my portion of the realized profits. They are the ones that failed to honor their contract with me. Both the contract signer and the company. Make them feel the heat.

AverageOldGuy

(3,360 posts)
12. Which is EXACTLY WHY . . .
Sat Mar 29, 2025, 04:41 PM
Mar 2025

. . . when we sold our house last month, we put the money into CDs along with our other cash in CDs and index funds and moved into an apartment with an 18-month lease. Friends an acquaintances have lived in this place for years with no complaints -- owned by local group of hometown people.

Meanwhile, friend of ours bought into a senior living place three years ago. He coughed up $350,000 to move in an is paying $7200 per month. The place just sold to a private equity company and no one knows what's coming next.

erronis

(22,666 posts)
20. Guessing that cognitive skills and families wanting to just "get this over" is a factor.
Sat Mar 29, 2025, 05:28 PM
Mar 2025

I know of older people that want to just write a check and make the decision-making go away.

They may not understand how $x,000/month will decrease their assets over just a short period.

And these industries prey on people like us.

snot

(11,520 posts)
14. If you don't own it, you don't control it.
Sat Mar 29, 2025, 04:49 PM
Mar 2025

No matter how great the lease contract or license may sound, there's always a clause that says the current owners can sell the facility or service and that, even if the original owner had promised not to change the rules, the new owner can.

We are helpless against depredation unless and until we ourselves own our necessary facilities and services via either our elected government (which is at least theoretically answerable to us) or via co-op -like forms. (Corollary: we should not allow private ownership of our basic utilities, health care, and other necessities.)

dalton99a

(92,146 posts)
17. +1. Private equity should be banned from healthcare, housing and essential services
Sat Mar 29, 2025, 05:12 PM
Mar 2025

erronis

(22,666 posts)
21. But they've already controlled the US (and state) governments. Good luck with banning!
Sat Mar 29, 2025, 05:31 PM
Mar 2025

A few million here, a few there. Lobbyists as messengers. Deniability.

With so much wealth in so few hands it won't take long to see a corporate banner and renaming of the US Capitol.

EdmondDantes_

(1,384 posts)
28. I would stop after the word banned
Sat Mar 29, 2025, 06:08 PM
Mar 2025

I have yet to see anything that they offer that's good for the world overall. They are parasites.

dobleremolque

(1,097 posts)
22. We need to create a "predatory" tax classification, and place all private equity firms
Sat Mar 29, 2025, 05:35 PM
Mar 2025

into it. I'd say a 95% to 99% tax rate on any PE profits, distributions to stockholders, bonuses to executives, etc., would be about right.

Evolve Dammit

(21,501 posts)
25. Vulture capitalism. Like corporate for-profit prisons. Lotta money in both. And now take their SS.
Sat Mar 29, 2025, 05:54 PM
Mar 2025

PatrickforB

(15,345 posts)
26. It's all about PROFITS, and not at all about morality. Common decency. We have allowed a few freakish people
Sat Mar 29, 2025, 05:59 PM
Mar 2025

who have feverishly amassed wealth and temporal power to SCREW the rest of us.

Oh, these poor widdle billionaires! They just want a little more, just a little more! They want a nice tax cut!

You know what I want? A wealth tax. Medicare for all Americans.

But that's a pipe dream. The way things are shaping up we may not even survive as a nation.

bucolic_frolic

(54,062 posts)
29. Increases of taxes and insurance are bad enough
Sat Mar 29, 2025, 06:10 PM
Mar 2025

Maintenance fees, not owning the land but leasing it, contract nullification. Just a bad deal all around. Add in the gossip and Amazon deliver thefts and it must be an nightmare.

True Blue American

(18,579 posts)
30. That picture looked exactly
Sat Mar 29, 2025, 06:12 PM
Mar 2025

Like what I saw every morning in Rehab. I knew I was leaving in 3 weeks, many of them were ot, but the ones who were gave me a count of the days left.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(10,480 posts)
32. "Greed is good"
Sun Mar 30, 2025, 10:58 AM
Mar 2025

is back with a vengeance.

Corporate greed has metastaticized. Massive tumors spread everywhere.

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