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Irish_Dem

(79,919 posts)
1. It's not IF they broke the law, it is how many laws did they break.
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 10:32 AM
Mar 2025

Laws including treason and espionage.

C_U_L8R

(48,896 posts)
2. Illicit channels, probably illicit devices too
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 10:36 AM
Mar 2025

Add on lying to Congress.... and top it off with the bombing of a civilian apartment building.

It seems they broke quite a few laws.

Ms. Toad

(38,312 posts)
5. Maybe not illicit devices.
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 10:41 AM
Mar 2025

I saw an article last night that indicate the DOD ordered Signal installed on government phones.

C_U_L8R

(48,896 posts)
7. Perhaps a few burner phones on that group
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 10:47 AM
Mar 2025

Plus using cell phones at CIA HQ is apparently a very bad thing.

Ms. Toad

(38,312 posts)
11. I was just pointing out the bit of the story that broke last night -
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 11:09 AM
Mar 2025

That despite warning against the use of Signal, at least the DOD (and probably high level employees in other departments) have Signal installed on government phones because it is apparently the only way to communicate with the white house.

https://fpwellman.substack.com/p/exclusive-dod-has-deployed-signal

usedtobedemgurl

(1,931 posts)
10. But i bet they did not order
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 11:07 AM
Mar 2025

Them to do top secret business on them.

There is nothing wrong with using Signal. The Biden admin did. It was for things like where to eat, etc... It was never for classified actions, or to get around the record keeping process as instructed by P25 several times. That is illegal.

Ms. Toad

(38,312 posts)
12. Having Signal installed on government issued phones apparently is prohibited.
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 11:21 AM
Mar 2025
On February 18th, Katie Arrington was named the Deputy Chief Information Officer for Cybersecurity and Chief Information Security Officer at the Department of Defense by the Trump Administration. She had served in the previous Administration in a similar role.

According to my source inside the Pentagon, shortly after Arrington’s arrival at DoD she issued a waiver and authorized the various service CIO’s to deploy Signal on government devices.


https://fpwellman.substack.com/p/exclusive-dod-has-deployed-signal

Apparently this came as a result of some of them throwing tantrums at not being able to take their personal cell phones (presumably with Signal) into SCIFs. The compromise was that they would leave their personal cell phones outside as long as they had Signal installed on their government phones.

This came in the same time frame as the same entity was issuing a warning about Signal vulnerabilities - including directing that Signal is NOT approved for processing or storing nonpublic unclassified information, and that all uses of Signal must abide by DoD and NSA/CSS policies.

So, while Signal isn't inherently evil, installing it on government phones is prohibited (absent a waiver). And while they weren't ordered to do top secret business on them - the app was installed on phones specifically so the phones could be taken into SCIFFs, where the person authorizing the waiver knew op secret information was being discussed/displayed - so that they could communicate via Signal with either with each other within the SCIF without leaving a trail - or with people outside the SCIF.

MontanaMama

(24,616 posts)
4. They broke many laws.
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 10:40 AM
Mar 2025

This is a well written break down of all the laws these clowns broke, among them: Leaking classified info, lying to congress, violation of the federal records act

https://katiecouric.com/news/opinion/what-is-signalgate-garrett-graff/

 

elocs

(24,486 posts)
9. They break the law with impunity & with good reason to feel they will not be held accountable n/t.
Thu Mar 27, 2025, 11:01 AM
Mar 2025
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