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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsVance claims "maybe a million" undoc immigrants have committed a violent crime.
Just outright lying, not even a pretense of being truthful.
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Scrivener7
(53,429 posts)Dave Bowman
(4,003 posts)jls4561
(1,627 posts)Attilatheblond
(4,805 posts)For a price
PoindexterOglethorpe
(26,910 posts)How about the native born? Do any of them commit violent crimes?
Ms. Toad
(35,731 posts)is twice as high for US citizens (both violent and non-violent felonies for US citizens)
The rate for documented immigrants is higher than undocumented, but lower than citizens.
sop
(11,862 posts)A million violent crimes were committed by "illegal" immigrants? Seems a bit high, J.D.
'Undocumented Immigrant Offending Rate Lower Than U.S.-Born Citizen Rate'
"An NIJ-funded study examining data from the Texas Department of Public Safety estimated the rate at which undocumented immigrants are arrested for committing crimes. The study found that undocumented immigrants are arrested at less than half the rate of native-born U.S. citizens for violent and drug crimes and a quarter the rate of native-born citizens for property crimes."
https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/undocumented-immigrant-offending-rate-lower-us-born-citizen-rate
Dave Bowman
(4,003 posts)They're like bizarro-reverso weirdos.
Blue_Tires
(57,208 posts)The whole "Haitians eating pets" thing was 100% made up, but it was okay to make things up as long as "it's done to prove a political point" and the media still continued to let Donnie get away with saying it...
Blue_Tires
(57,208 posts)It's not like these immigrants tried to overturn a presidential election or sent a violent mob to destroy the capitol or stole thousands of top secret documents related to our national security just so they could show them off to foreign guests... 😐
Diamond_Dog
(35,404 posts)Im not looking forward to constantly being lied to for four years.
Maybe they removed most of his brain when they did his sinus surgery.
moondust
(20,563 posts)You don't have to be so kind to them when you're making stuff up. Now go eat a couple dogs and try again later.
Iggo
(48,639 posts)Are they eating the pets, too, JD?
dweller
(25,267 posts)Is he some self important asshole with an opinion ?
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eppur_se_muova
(37,850 posts)Arazi
(7,160 posts)They wont touch the industries of their big donors, theyll hit small outfits first and once they get to the one million mark - of which theyll claim these are the violent criminals - the GOP will claim success
Ms. Toad
(35,731 posts)A study in Texas (where immigrant/citizenship status is documented) found that around 100/100,000 undocumented immigrants were arrested for committing a violent felony. So that's 1 in 1000.
In 2023, there were around 11.7 million. 11.7 million is 11,700 thousands of people. So that's - ballpark - 12,000. That's only arrests. But some were probably acquitted - and some committed crimes and weren't arrested. So it's a ballpark, but almost certainly closer than Vance's "million"
elocs
(23,105 posts)undocumented immigrants are on the very bottom of that list, even for crimes that are not serious. Why would they commit any kind of crime that could potentially result in their being deported?
No, the top of that list is good old red-blooded Americans.
Johonny
(22,406 posts)Really important anymore?