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Vance claims "maybe a million" undoc immigrants have committed a violent crime. (Original Post) Tanuki 5 hrs ago OP
Asshole. Scrivener7 5 hrs ago #1
And I claim that shitty vance is a creepy lying weirdo. Dave Bowman 5 hrs ago #2
Fact checking that statement: True!! jls4561 5 hrs ago #3
Vance will say anything Attilatheblond 5 hrs ago #4
And how many documented immigrants have committed violent crimes? PoindexterOglethorpe 5 hrs ago #5
The arrest rate in Texas (where immigration status is tracked for arrests) Ms. Toad 2 hrs ago #17
The FBI reported there were around 1.22 million violent crimes committed in the United States in 2023. sop 5 hrs ago #6
With guys like him and Dumpy, to get the truth about any subject you have to totally reverse what they say. Dave Bowman 2 hrs ago #19
I still can't get over JD openly admitting Blue_Tires 5 hrs ago #7
Come on, JD... Blue_Tires 5 hrs ago #8
Lying asshole just like his lying asshole boss. Diamond_Dog 4 hrs ago #9
Just say a billion, JD! moondust 3 hrs ago #10
He's making it up again. Iggo 3 hrs ago #11
Who ? dweller 3 hrs ago #12
He's just some guy whose photo is on a milk carton. nt eppur_se_muova 2 hrs ago #14
This will be the magic number of deportations for them to claim "success" Arazi 3 hrs ago #13
If my back-of-the-envelope arithmetic is correct - more like 12,000. Ms. Toad 2 hrs ago #15
If you read a list of which groups of people are most likely to commit crimes, elocs 2 hrs ago #16
The president is a felon so are crimes Johonny 2 hrs ago #18

PoindexterOglethorpe

(26,910 posts)
5. And how many documented immigrants have committed violent crimes?
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 11:19 AM
5 hrs ago

How about the native born? Do any of them commit violent crimes?

Ms. Toad

(35,731 posts)
17. The arrest rate in Texas (where immigration status is tracked for arrests)
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 02:09 PM
2 hrs ago

is twice as high for US citizens (both violent and non-violent felonies for US citizens)

The rate for documented immigrants is higher than undocumented, but lower than citizens.

sop

(11,862 posts)
6. The FBI reported there were around 1.22 million violent crimes committed in the United States in 2023.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 11:22 AM
5 hrs ago

A million violent crimes were committed by "illegal" immigrants? Seems a bit high, J.D.

'Undocumented Immigrant Offending Rate Lower Than U.S.-Born Citizen Rate'

"An NIJ-funded study examining data from the Texas Department of Public Safety estimated the rate at which undocumented immigrants are arrested for committing crimes. The study found that undocumented immigrants are arrested at less than half the rate of native-born U.S. citizens for violent and drug crimes and a quarter the rate of native-born citizens for property crimes."

https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/undocumented-immigrant-offending-rate-lower-us-born-citizen-rate

Dave Bowman

(4,003 posts)
19. With guys like him and Dumpy, to get the truth about any subject you have to totally reverse what they say.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 02:42 PM
2 hrs ago

They're like bizarro-reverso weirdos.

Blue_Tires

(57,208 posts)
7. I still can't get over JD openly admitting
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 11:27 AM
5 hrs ago

The whole "Haitians eating pets" thing was 100% made up, but it was okay to make things up as long as "it's done to prove a political point" and the media still continued to let Donnie get away with saying it...

Blue_Tires

(57,208 posts)
8. Come on, JD...
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 11:31 AM
5 hrs ago

It's not like these immigrants tried to overturn a presidential election or sent a violent mob to destroy the capitol or stole thousands of top secret documents related to our national security just so they could show them off to foreign guests... 😐

Diamond_Dog

(35,404 posts)
9. Lying asshole just like his lying asshole boss.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 12:10 PM
4 hrs ago

I’m not looking forward to constantly being lied to for four years.

Maybe they removed most of his brain when they did his sinus surgery.

moondust

(20,563 posts)
10. Just say a billion, JD!
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 01:01 PM
3 hrs ago

You don't have to be so kind to them when you're making stuff up. Now go eat a couple dogs and try again later.

Arazi

(7,160 posts)
13. This will be the magic number of deportations for them to claim "success"
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 01:19 PM
3 hrs ago

They won’t touch the industries of their big donors, they’ll hit small outfits first and once they get to the one million mark - of which they’ll claim these are the violent criminals - the GOP will claim “success”

Ms. Toad

(35,731 posts)
15. If my back-of-the-envelope arithmetic is correct - more like 12,000.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 02:06 PM
2 hrs ago

A study in Texas (where immigrant/citizenship status is documented) found that around 100/100,000 undocumented immigrants were arrested for committing a violent felony. So that's 1 in 1000.

In 2023, there were around 11.7 million. 11.7 million is 11,700 thousands of people. So that's - ballpark - 12,000. That's only arrests. But some were probably acquitted - and some committed crimes and weren't arrested. So it's a ballpark, but almost certainly closer than Vance's "million"

elocs

(23,105 posts)
16. If you read a list of which groups of people are most likely to commit crimes,
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 02:08 PM
2 hrs ago

undocumented immigrants are on the very bottom of that list, even for crimes that are not serious. Why would they commit any kind of crime that could potentially result in their being deported?
No, the top of that list is good old red-blooded Americans.

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