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Tanuki

(16,244 posts)
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 11:04 AM Jan 2025

Vance claims "maybe a million" undoc immigrants have committed a violent crime.

Just outright lying, not even a pretense of being truthful.


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Vance claims "maybe a million" undoc immigrants have committed a violent crime. (Original Post) Tanuki Jan 2025 OP
Asshole. Scrivener7 Jan 2025 #1
And I claim that shitty vance is a creepy lying weirdo. Dave Bowman Jan 2025 #2
Fact checking that statement: True!! jls4561 Jan 2025 #3
Vance will say anything Attilatheblond Jan 2025 #4
And how many documented immigrants have committed violent crimes? PoindexterOglethorpe Jan 2025 #5
The arrest rate in Texas (where immigration status is tracked for arrests) Ms. Toad Jan 2025 #17
The FBI reported there were around 1.22 million violent crimes committed in the United States in 2023. sop Jan 2025 #6
With guys like him and Dumpy, to get the truth about any subject you have to totally reverse what they say. Dave Bowman Jan 2025 #19
I still can't get over JD openly admitting Blue_Tires Jan 2025 #7
Come on, JD... Blue_Tires Jan 2025 #8
Lying asshole just like his lying asshole boss. Diamond_Dog Jan 2025 #9
Just say a billion, JD! moondust Jan 2025 #10
He's making it up again. Iggo Jan 2025 #11
Who ? dweller Jan 2025 #12
He's just some guy whose photo is on a milk carton. nt eppur_se_muova Jan 2025 #14
This will be the magic number of deportations for them to claim "success" Arazi Jan 2025 #13
If my back-of-the-envelope arithmetic is correct - more like 12,000. Ms. Toad Jan 2025 #15
If you read a list of which groups of people are most likely to commit crimes, elocs Jan 2025 #16
The president is a felon so are crimes Johonny Jan 2025 #18

PoindexterOglethorpe

(28,390 posts)
5. And how many documented immigrants have committed violent crimes?
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 11:19 AM
Jan 2025

How about the native born? Do any of them commit violent crimes?

Ms. Toad

(38,055 posts)
17. The arrest rate in Texas (where immigration status is tracked for arrests)
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 02:09 PM
Jan 2025

is twice as high for US citizens (both violent and non-violent felonies for US citizens)

The rate for documented immigrants is higher than undocumented, but lower than citizens.

sop

(17,182 posts)
6. The FBI reported there were around 1.22 million violent crimes committed in the United States in 2023.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 11:22 AM
Jan 2025

A million violent crimes were committed by "illegal" immigrants? Seems a bit high, J.D.

'Undocumented Immigrant Offending Rate Lower Than U.S.-Born Citizen Rate'

"An NIJ-funded study examining data from the Texas Department of Public Safety estimated the rate at which undocumented immigrants are arrested for committing crimes. The study found that undocumented immigrants are arrested at less than half the rate of native-born U.S. citizens for violent and drug crimes and a quarter the rate of native-born citizens for property crimes."

https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/undocumented-immigrant-offending-rate-lower-us-born-citizen-rate

Dave Bowman

(6,473 posts)
19. With guys like him and Dumpy, to get the truth about any subject you have to totally reverse what they say.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 02:42 PM
Jan 2025

They're like bizarro-reverso weirdos.

 

Blue_Tires

(57,596 posts)
7. I still can't get over JD openly admitting
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 11:27 AM
Jan 2025

The whole "Haitians eating pets" thing was 100% made up, but it was okay to make things up as long as "it's done to prove a political point" and the media still continued to let Donnie get away with saying it...

 

Blue_Tires

(57,596 posts)
8. Come on, JD...
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 11:31 AM
Jan 2025

It's not like these immigrants tried to overturn a presidential election or sent a violent mob to destroy the capitol or stole thousands of top secret documents related to our national security just so they could show them off to foreign guests... 😐

Diamond_Dog

(39,559 posts)
9. Lying asshole just like his lying asshole boss.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 12:10 PM
Jan 2025

I’m not looking forward to constantly being lied to for four years.

Maybe they removed most of his brain when they did his sinus surgery.

moondust

(21,172 posts)
10. Just say a billion, JD!
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 01:01 PM
Jan 2025

You don't have to be so kind to them when you're making stuff up. Now go eat a couple dogs and try again later.

Arazi

(8,670 posts)
13. This will be the magic number of deportations for them to claim "success"
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 01:19 PM
Jan 2025

They won’t touch the industries of their big donors, they’ll hit small outfits first and once they get to the one million mark - of which they’ll claim these are the violent criminals - the GOP will claim “success”

Ms. Toad

(38,055 posts)
15. If my back-of-the-envelope arithmetic is correct - more like 12,000.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 02:06 PM
Jan 2025

A study in Texas (where immigrant/citizenship status is documented) found that around 100/100,000 undocumented immigrants were arrested for committing a violent felony. So that's 1 in 1000.

In 2023, there were around 11.7 million. 11.7 million is 11,700 thousands of people. So that's - ballpark - 12,000. That's only arrests. But some were probably acquitted - and some committed crimes and weren't arrested. So it's a ballpark, but almost certainly closer than Vance's "million"

 

elocs

(24,486 posts)
16. If you read a list of which groups of people are most likely to commit crimes,
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 02:08 PM
Jan 2025

undocumented immigrants are on the very bottom of that list, even for crimes that are not serious. Why would they commit any kind of crime that could potentially result in their being deported?
No, the top of that list is good old red-blooded Americans.

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