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dalton99a

(85,153 posts)
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 10:40 AM 6 hrs ago

He gave his cats raw milk because he thought it was healthier. He says it tragically backfired

https://apnews.com/article/raw-milk-california-cats-bird-flu-c3f6201216efb2a7e98ca143329a631a

He gave his cats raw milk because he thought it was healthier. He says it tragically backfired
By JONEL ALECCIA
Updated 7:06 AM CST, January 12, 2025

A California man whose two cats died after drinking raw milk recalled for bird flu risk says he meant to keep his beloved pets healthy, but his efforts tragically backfired.

“It’s horrible when you realize that you’re the one that actually gave them the milk that killed them,” said Joseph Journell, 56, of San Bernardino.

Journell lost his 14-year-old tabby, Alexander, and Tuxsie, a 4-year-old tuxedo cat, in late November. A third cat, 4-year-old Big Boy, was hospitalized for a week before tests showed the animal was infected with the H5N1 bird flu virus.

The cats drank unpasteurized milk from lots recalled by Raw Farm, of Fresno, whose dairy products were pulled from California store shelves in December after health officials found the virus in milk for sale, he said. The animals’ deaths were confirmed by state and county health officials. The cats were kept indoors, with no access to potentially infected birds, and ate conventional, not raw, pet food, the owner said.

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He gave his cats raw milk because he thought it was healthier. He says it tragically backfired (Original Post) dalton99a 6 hrs ago OP
I'm a dog person, but I was always under the impression phylny 6 hrs ago #1
Not all cats- some can drink it. My Sib ate ice cream & my floof loves yogurt Meowmee 6 hrs ago #3
Newborn or very young kittens are lactose intolerant malaise 6 hrs ago #4
Exactly right. n/t elocs 3 hrs ago #21
Tragic 💔 Meowmee 6 hrs ago #2
In case of raw meat, some people feed their cats raw meat thinking it is very healthy for them. LisaL 3 hrs ago #17
Yes I know Meowmee 3 hrs ago #20
Don't Marge Taylor Goone and RFK Jr. push the benefits of drinking raw milk? Diamond_Dog 6 hrs ago #5
Yes, RFKjr pushes raw milk benefits, LisaL 3 hrs ago #16
Post removed Post removed 5 hrs ago #6
Good Morning!! Your pizza order is ready...Enjoy!! GP6971 5 hrs ago #7
Too late 😹 Meowmee 5 hrs ago #10
It just occurred to me that I haven't seen Tombstone brand frozen pizza for awhile now EYESORE 9001 3 hrs ago #15
Enjoy your stay Bettie 5 hrs ago #8
I drank raw milk DeepWinter 5 hrs ago #9
A lot of people take food risks Ms. Toad 4 hrs ago #14
I did too. It was goat milk. LisaL 3 hrs ago #18
So sad. Bad enough that they died, but knowing what you fed them killed them, is heartbreaking. Fla Dem 5 hrs ago #11
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes 😔 Blue_Tires 5 hrs ago #12
I feel really badly for the cats. Happy Hoosier 4 hrs ago #13
Why anyone would think pasteurized milk is less healthy is beyond me. eppur_se_muova 3 hrs ago #19

phylny

(8,618 posts)
1. I'm a dog person, but I was always under the impression
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 10:46 AM
6 hrs ago

that cats should not have milk because they are generally lactose intolerant after they’re weaned from their mothers.

Anyway, sorry about his cats, but that’s what happens when you don’t do science.

Meowmee

(6,444 posts)
3. Not all cats- some can drink it. My Sib ate ice cream & my floof loves yogurt
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 10:51 AM
6 hrs ago

But overall many are… I don’t give any dairy products to my current cats, although they love butter.

malaise

(279,414 posts)
4. Newborn or very young kittens are lactose intolerant
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 10:52 AM
6 hrs ago

I fed some feral kittens an alternative milk for weeks until their eyes opened after their mother died. The vet told me to do that.

Meowmee

(6,444 posts)
2. Tragic 💔
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 10:49 AM
6 hrs ago

I know he must feel so awful and this is very traumatic to feel you did that. Those poor cats. If people would stop pushing this false notion that raw milk and raw foods, etc., are somehow more healthy, things like this would not happen.

Run free Alexander & Tuxie 💔🌈🐾❤️🐈

LisaL

(46,802 posts)
17. In case of raw meat, some people feed their cats raw meat thinking it is very healthy for them.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 01:27 PM
3 hrs ago

But raw meat also can lead to bird flu if the meat is infected. Either raw milk or pasteurized milk can cause diarrhea in cats because a lot of cats are lactose intolerant.

Meowmee

(6,444 posts)
20. Yes I know
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 01:47 PM
3 hrs ago

Only one of my cats can eat dairy now he’s also my longhair. He likes yogurt. So some cats don’t seem to be affected, but you’re right most of them are. But he doesnt eat it often and i would never give them any raw milk etc.

Yes, and raw meat also can carry viruses, bacteria and parasites. They can get toxoplasmosis from that and so can people… the raw diet is a big thing now with cats especially, and dogs however, although I have tried that in the past, I have not done it at all recently. One of my cats tragically died from toxoplasmosis pneumonia last year very suddenly, and there was a lot of negligence involved, partly because they didn’t give him the right medication or diagnose it.

Toxoplasmosis is a lot more complicated than people realize. Once a cat is infected, if their immune system is compromised or they are stressed out in any way even though they may have overcome an initial infection it can come out again, and it’s rare, but it can kill them.

I know that it was nothing I fed him that caused this, he was an outdoor cat who I took in and he was exposed outside before . I still feel awful about a lot of things to do with that and blame myself and I will never feed any of my cats any type of raw food again. The problem is that they catch mice even in the house. I’m trying to figure out what to do about that.

All of my cats are indoor now, but for a long time, my other cats were indoor and outdoor, they hunted, and none of them ever had any type of toxoplasmosis infection with any symptoms.

So it’s pretty rare, however after my beloved ginger passed from this, my three other cats were also diagnosed with it and one at least also had toxo pneumonia so I had to put them on medication for 2 to 3 months and now my floofy guy is on an inhaler for the rest of his life from the pneumonia. It’s very stressful because now I have to worry all the time that it’s going to come out again and they could die from it. Thank goodness they survived it or I would have gone mad to lose them all. Losing my ginger nearly killed me.

T gondii is a protozoan parasite, which once it gets to a certain phase, and it’s reduced either naturally by the cat or by treatment with a drug then goes into the muscle and nerve tissue, and then it could come out again, even though it has been dormant for a long time. Plus, there are different types of strains of T Gondii, and even though they’re only supposed to be able to shed it in their feces once in a lifetime if they keep getting re-infected with different strains, they could start shedding it again eventually.

Even though I was caring for him, when he could have been shedding more, I was not infected. I have never been infected by anything from my cats over the years so that is also rare.

Lots of other parasites, viruses, and bacteria can be in raw meat and vegetables and unpasteurized milk too. So it obviously is not worth the risk.

Diamond_Dog

(35,406 posts)
5. Don't Marge Taylor Goone and RFK Jr. push the benefits of drinking raw milk?
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 11:01 AM
6 hrs ago

I wish these ignorant morons would stop putting out such dangerous misinformation.

And to think RFK Jr. could possibly be our new Health and Human Services director.

LisaL

(46,802 posts)
16. Yes, RFKjr pushes raw milk benefits,
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 01:24 PM
3 hrs ago

whereas vaccines are bad for you. That worm really did a number on his brain.

Response to dalton99a (Original post)

EYESORE 9001

(27,664 posts)
15. It just occurred to me that I haven't seen Tombstone brand frozen pizza for awhile now
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 01:17 PM
3 hrs ago

Not that I peruse that section of the frozen food aisle, mind you, but it seems the frozen pizza industry has thrown in the towel where advertising is concerned. An entire generation has come of age since we first pondered their brusque demand to know: ‘what do you want on your tombstone?’

DeepWinter

(654 posts)
9. I drank raw milk
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 11:15 AM
5 hrs ago

until I was 18 because that's all my Mom (1000% Hippie) would buy. I understand there's a contagen risk, it's just a disconnect from my own experience. I don't drink much milk anymore. I buy whole milk for cooking and baking.

Ms. Toad

(35,731 posts)
14. A lot of people take food risks
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 12:53 PM
4 hrs ago

Sunny side up eggs, rare or raw meat, raw flour - or the current Boogeyman - sourdough starter before it has reached some magic number of days.

Different people have different risk tolerances. Some of us even dive down to 100 ft below the waters surface and expect to come up alive . . . If it is an unfamiliar risk, others can be judgy.

LisaL

(46,802 posts)
18. I did too. It was goat milk.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 01:33 PM
3 hrs ago

When I was a child. We were buying it from the lady who had a goat. Back then we didn't know anything about possible microbes in the milk.

Fla Dem

(25,963 posts)
11. So sad. Bad enough that they died, but knowing what you fed them killed them, is heartbreaking.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 11:19 AM
5 hrs ago

eppur_se_muova

(37,850 posts)
19. Why anyone would think pasteurized milk is less healthy is beyond me.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 01:46 PM
3 hrs ago

The pasteurization process is very mild -- heating to 60 C for a few minutes -- and has minimal effect on taste, texture, and nutrition, but is sufficient to kill or deactivate bacteria, as well as some enzymes which also contribute to spoilage.

Frankly, it's magical thinking, or at least magical-adjacent. Continued belief that anything humans do is "unnatural", hence bad for you, with a little CT thrown in ("They only want you to believe it's safe!" ).

The obvious counterargument is actual, factual data, including epidemiological data, but that involves an absolutely minimal appreciation of statistical arguments, which is just too much for ill-educated Americans. Nonetheless, here's some data:

Milk is an excellent medium for microbial growth,[18] and when it is stored at ambient temperature, bacteria and other pathogens soon proliferate.[19] The US Centers for Disease Control (CDC) says improperly handled raw milk is responsible for nearly three times more hospitalizations than any other food-borne disease source, making it one of the world's most dangerous food products.[20][21] Diseases prevented by pasteurization can include tuberculosis, brucellosis, diphtheria, scarlet fever, and Q-fever; it also kills the harmful bacteria Salmonella, Listeria, Yersinia, Campylobacter, Staphylococcus aureus, and Escherichia coli O157:H7,[22][23] among others.

Prior to industrialization, dairy cows were kept in urban areas to limit the time between milk production and consumption, hence the risk of disease transmission via raw milk was reduced.[24] As urban densities increased and supply chains lengthened to the distance from country to city, raw milk (often days old) became recognized as a source of disease. For example, between 1912 and 1937, some 65,000 people died of tuberculosis contracted from consuming milk in England and Wales alone.[25] Because tuberculosis has a long incubation period in humans, it was difficult to link unpasteurized milk consumption with the disease.[26] In 1892, chemist Ernst Lederle experimentally inoculated milk from tuberculosis-diseased cows into guinea pigs, which caused them to develop the disease.[27] In 1910, Lederle, then in the role of Commissioner of Health, introduced mandatory pasteurization of milk in New York City.[27]

Developed countries adopted milk pasteurization to prevent such disease and loss of life, and as a result milk is now considered a safer food.[28] ... Pasteurization of milk was suggested by Franz von Soxhlet in 1886.[30] In the early 20th century, Milton Joseph Rosenau established the standards – i.e. low-temperature, slow heating at 60 °C (140 °F) for 20 minutes – for the pasteurization of milk[31][32] while at the United States Marine Hospital Service, notably in his publication of The Milk Question (1912).[33] States in the U.S. soon began enacting mandatory dairy pasteurization laws, with the first in 1947, and in 1973 the U.S. federal government required pasteurization of milk used in any interstate commerce.[34]

The shelf life of refrigerated pasteurized milk is greater than that of raw milk. For example, high-temperature, short-time (HTST) pasteurized milk typically has a refrigerated shelf life of two to three weeks, whereas ultra-pasteurized milk can last much longer, sometimes two to three months. When ultra-heat treatment (UHT) is combined with sterile handling and container technology (such as aseptic packaging), it can even be stored non-refrigerated for up to 9 months.[35]

According to the Centers for Disease Control, between 1998 and 2011, 79% of dairy-related disease outbreaks in the United States were due to raw milk or cheese products.[36] They report 148 outbreaks and 2,384 illnesses (with 284 requiring hospitalization), as well as two deaths due to raw milk or cheese products during the same time period.[36]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pasteurization#Milk

It's not like this information is secret, hidden, or hard to find. But some people get a thrill out of believing that they're clever enough to see through some non-existent conspiracy intended to -- to do what ? Charge a little more for milk ? I strongly suspect the advocates of raw milk pay more for their magical elixir, which should tell you right there where the real conspiracy is.
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