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speak easy

(10,845 posts)
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 08:49 AM 8 hrs ago

Malibu: No more 'Billionaire Beaches.'

Last edited Sun Jan 12, 2025, 10:48 AM - Edit history (2)

If the city of Malibu can't rezone land west of the Pacific Coast Highway to preclude the rebuilding of ocean front monstrosities, then at least acquire a property or two on each beach to give the public more easy access to public land.

There are no Billionaire Beaches, only public beaches.


Carbon Beach.

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Malibu: No more 'Billionaire Beaches.' (Original Post) speak easy 8 hrs ago OP
I suspect a trump crony will build some monstrosity on the whole thing. Think. Again. 8 hrs ago #1
These people pre-Date Trump DeepWinter 6 hrs ago #25
Agreed XanaDUer2 8 hrs ago #2
Doonesbury is fighting the home owners today KS Toronado 2 hrs ago #41
Mark5767 Mark5767 8 hrs ago #3
"A. 50-year battle for public beach access in Malibu speak easy 8 hrs ago #5
Wealthy home owners have put up fake "No Parking" signs to keep visitors out DBoon 6 hrs ago #23
Great first post! Emile 4 hrs ago #38
Welcome to DU ! KS Toronado 3 hrs ago #40
South of Pacific Coast Highway, not west NameAlreadyTaken 8 hrs ago #4
What is to the west of the Pacific Coast Highway? speak easy 8 hrs ago #6
The Pacific ocean EX500rider 6 hrs ago #15
Where the ocean front houses were built. speak easy 6 hrs ago #16
PCH runs east/west in Malibu NameAlreadyTaken 6 hrs ago #22
Actually Malibu Beach access is pretty easy. MineralMan 7 hrs ago #7
Not on Carbon Beach. speak easy 7 hrs ago #8
If you look at that PDF, you'll see two public access points to Carbon Beach. MineralMan 7 hrs ago #10
"What's behind a 50-year battle for public beach access in Malibu" speak easy 7 hrs ago #12
Well, I'm pretty sure it's not a high priority at this moment. MineralMan 6 hrs ago #13
"People wanted to go to Malibu just because it was Malibu" speak easy 6 hrs ago #14
I've heard that the people in those houses on Carbon beach Farmer-Rick 5 hrs ago #35
Well, now their luxury beach mansions are just ashes. MineralMan 5 hrs ago #36
Doonesbury was covering restricted Malibu Beach access 20+ years ago. Rhiagel 7 hrs ago #9
I've been following that as well. JohnnyRingo 6 hrs ago #18
That's correct, I've been watching wealthy folks block access to public beaches since 1960. Magoo48 7 hrs ago #11
There will never be a better time to buy back property. speak easy 6 hrs ago #19
This message was self-deleted by its author karynnj 6 hrs ago #17
Don't allow them to rebuild there. There's not enough space. Should be open beach. Those houses are (were) monstrosities Clouds Passing 6 hrs ago #20
I'm guessing it has been local (or county) zoning groups that made this mess FakeNoose 5 hrs ago #32
Those MacMansions were a blight on the coastline. Clouds Passing 3 hrs ago #39
I used to hate driving through Malibu, looking at those monstrosities niyad 6 hrs ago #21
I thought that all the beaches in California are open to the public question everything 6 hrs ago #24
That would be Oregon. WheelWalker 6 hrs ago #26
Carbon Beach Old Okie 6 hrs ago #28
I believe Oregon declared all beaches MurrayDelph 2 hrs ago #42
History of Oregon's public beaches... WheelWalker 59 min ago #43
"I thought that all the beaches in California are open to the public' speak easy 6 hrs ago #27
Poverty is our greatest enemy. twodogsbarking 5 hrs ago #29
If it doesn't happen in FL, NC, etc, why should it happen in CA? Renew Deal 5 hrs ago #30
That is a pretty gross depiction of opulence (picture). Evolve Dammit 5 hrs ago #31
City can't zone, than no hook up to city utilities, electric, water, sewer. republianmushroom 5 hrs ago #33
? speak easy 5 hrs ago #34
Larry Ellison Deep State Witch 4 hrs ago #37

DeepWinter

(654 posts)
25. These people pre-Date Trump
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 11:19 AM
6 hrs ago

LA County and especially the Pacific Pallisadesis some of THE most expensive real estate in the Nation. The ENTIRE nation. There is 0.000000% chance it will be bought up for low income or medium income housing. There is 0.00000% chance it will be set aside for nature. Many are multi-multi-millionaires who have already stated they are going to rebuild, rebuild bigger.

These multi-millionaires will buy more expensive and better lawyers than the city to fight city land grabs. (Municipal lawyer are on the low end of experience and pay scale) They will Lawfare the city for as long as it takes. They're already well connected to city officials and will make backroom deals, as they've done in the past.

I'm super interested in how this will play out. But it won't be for the little guy. There are Billions of dollars of real estate on the line. Money will take care of money. As it always has. Count on it.


Edit - Just googled up CA costal property. Approx only 58% is private, the other 42% is public. That's actually a lot more public than I was expecting.

Mark5767

(1 post)
3. Mark5767
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 09:15 AM
8 hrs ago

I’m so tired of billionaires. They have turned this country into an oligarchy, they have no respect for those who work themselves to death to stay 30 days ahead of homelessness. If people making in excess of 10mm a year paid their fair share, which would have far less impact in their quality of life-QOL than it does the majority of Americans. They got their man though, and now the money table gets leaned to the right even farther. Of course they’ll rebuild. Of course Malibu isn’t public property. That’s an illusion created by the ordinances that aren’t enforced. Billionaires destroy everything they touch these days and care not a whit about those whose money got them there. What really blows me away is that they are so stupid and arrogant they think we’ll just keep showing deference and allowing them to create a “New Rich Order” with Donny as their fake billionaire leader. Tax them at 70% like many other countries. Are the Stones and Sir Paul hurting? I believe they pay huge taxes to remain subjects.

speak easy

(10,845 posts)
5. "A. 50-year battle for public beach access in Malibu
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 09:30 AM
8 hrs ago
Although Californians have legally had access to all beaches in the state since 1976,  locals are still fighting for their rights to access Carbon Beach, also known as Billionaire’s Beach, in Malibu.

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/malibu-public-beach-access/3203933/

DBoon

(23,241 posts)
23. Wealthy home owners have put up fake "No Parking" signs to keep visitors out
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 11:11 AM
6 hrs ago
https://www.cbsnews.com/losangeles/news/malibu-residents-post-fake-no-parking-signs-to-ward-off-tourists/

MALIBU (CBS) — Residents of Malibu who don't want beach visitors parking in front of their high priced homes are reportedly taking matters into their own hands.

Locals in the exclusive community and highly trafficked tourist hot spot have been posting fake no parking signs along Pacific Coast Highway. The signs are illegal, but often look so legitimate they earn violators parking citations.

MineralMan

(148,144 posts)
7. Actually Malibu Beach access is pretty easy.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 09:54 AM
7 hrs ago

There are beach access points all along that waterfront area. Or there were, anyhow. Now, access points are moot until the rebuilding happens. Here's a map that shows all access points in Malibu, along with directions to get to the access paths. It's a PDF file at the link.

https://documents.coastal.ca.gov/assets/access/MalibuGuide2010.pdf

MineralMan

(148,144 posts)
10. If you look at that PDF, you'll see two public access points to Carbon Beach.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 10:16 AM
7 hrs ago

They're right there.

Now, I think that houses should not be built on the beach. That is allowed, though, but access up to the mean high tide line is guaranteed in California, with a few very specific exceptions. You can't go to beaches that are on military bases, or on beaches that are in front of nuclear power plants, for example.

speak easy

(10,845 posts)
12. "What's behind a 50-year battle for public beach access in Malibu"
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 10:26 AM
7 hrs ago
Although Californians have legally had access to all beaches in the state since 1976, locals are still fighting for their rights to access Carbon Beach, also known as Billionaire’s Beach, in Malibu.

https://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local/malibu-public-beach-access/3203933/

August 2023. Buying up a pair of properties on the beach would put the issue to bed once and for all.

MineralMan

(148,144 posts)
13. Well, I'm pretty sure it's not a high priority at this moment.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 10:33 AM
6 hrs ago

There is an opportunity here, though, and I'm sure it will be looked at. Yes, the battle for the beaches has gone on for many decades. It will, no doubt, continue. I grew up in Southern California. As a teenager, I spent a good deal of time on Malibu beaches. Someone was always yelling at us to get off their beach. We just gave them the finger and kept walking. I mean, that's why we were there, wasn't it?

If we had just wanted to swim or sunbathe, there were hundreds of beaches available, all up and down the coast. People wanted to go to Malibu just because it was Malibu and you might see someone famous. It wasn't about the beach, itself.

Now, I live in Minnesota. Here, it's access to lakes. Wealthy people don't want you to have access. The state mandates access. I have done a lot of fishing on lakes around the Twin Cities. I can't count the number of times some moron in a big-ass house came out and yelled at me to "Get off my lake!" I'm a lot older now, but my reaction remains the same. I just give them the finger and keep right on fishing.

Farmer-Rick

(11,579 posts)
35. I've heard that the people in those houses on Carbon beach
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 12:04 PM
5 hrs ago

Would build gates walls and fences across the public access points. Yeah, if they got reported they would take them down, very slowly. Then they would turn around and put them right back up. Then they got a free beach, until the government took some major action. If you're rich it's no worse than landscaping costs.

Some of the residents have resorted to posting fake signs of all kinds. Your link shows what are real signs and what are fake signs. The filthy-rich want it all, every nice thing, every bit of comfort, all the beauty and wealth out there.

MineralMan

(148,144 posts)
36. Well, now their luxury beach mansions are just ashes.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 12:10 PM
5 hrs ago

But, so are other people's homes nearby that aren't nearly as luxurious. On the other hand, there are zero affordable houses in the Palisades. It's a rich person's city on the coast.

JohnnyRingo

(19,484 posts)
18. I've been following that as well.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 10:47 AM
6 hrs ago

I don't care how old it is, I have to read Trudeau's work.

David Geffen in the crosshairs of Old Surfer Dude. haha
One of the things I thought so beautiful about the Golden State was the public beach law.

Magoo48

(5,610 posts)
11. That's correct, I've been watching wealthy folks block access to public beaches since 1960.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 10:16 AM
7 hrs ago

In 1960, I was 12 yeas old and just beginning to surf off beaches between Long Beach and our southern border. Battling with private and government municipalities for access to and conservation of beaches is ongoing. The military and other government entities lock the beaches away and rich folks, well, they behave like privileged rich folks.

Response to speak easy (Original post)

Clouds Passing

(3,085 posts)
20. Don't allow them to rebuild there. There's not enough space. Should be open beach. Those houses are (were) monstrosities
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 10:55 AM
6 hrs ago

.

FakeNoose

(36,164 posts)
32. I'm guessing it has been local (or county) zoning groups that made this mess
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 11:50 AM
5 hrs ago

If Uncle Sam and the State of California are going to share the cost of rebuilding the burned properties, then they need to set the regulations for how the replacement structures will be built. They'll need to make sure there is ample parking and access to the public.

If the billionaires don't like it, tough shit. Let them move out to an island somewhere. The local zoning authorities have really messed it up good.

niyad

(121,031 posts)
21. I used to hate driving through Malibu, looking at those monstrosities
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 11:03 AM
6 hrs ago

littering the beach. I often wondered what would happen in the event of a tsunami.

Old Okie

(202 posts)
28. Carbon Beach
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 11:32 AM
6 hrs ago

Well; at least it is aptly named now! Few years ago I visited a Private beach club right on Santa Monica Beach; It was for the wealrhy to enjoy the beach; no riff raff allowed.

twodogsbarking

(12,283 posts)
29. Poverty is our greatest enemy.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 11:40 AM
5 hrs ago

It kills eduction.
It kills proper medical care.
It kills nutrition.
It kills humans.
There is too great a divide between the "haves" and the "have-nots".
It shouldn't be this way, anywhere, in any country.
WTF.

Renew Deal

(83,238 posts)
30. If it doesn't happen in FL, NC, etc, why should it happen in CA?
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 11:47 AM
5 hrs ago

How many wealthy democratic donors would that impact?

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