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gab13by13

(25,564 posts)
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 07:33 AM 9 hrs ago

Garland Has A Way To Immediately Release The Mar-a-Lago Report

Garland is afraid that releasing the report could impact the upcoming Nauta/DeOliveira trials. Those 2 trials will not happen once Trump becomes president.

MERRICK GARLAND SHOULD DROP THE NAUTA/DE OLIVEIRA CASES AND IMMEDIATELY RELEASE THE JACK SMITH REPORT.

This is a no brainer call for Garland. Jack Smith stated that he can reveal why Trump stole all of those classified documents.

We the public should be at least granted this final revelation since Trump will not be held accountable.

Garland, we the public demand to know why Trump stole those documents, it's a matter of national security.

Do it you miserable fuck. Do one thing right in your miserable tenure.

I have been posting Time Matters for 4 years and I am posting it one last time - Time Matters.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/merrick-garland-offered-easy-path-to-release-jack-smith-s-mar-a-lago-report-immediately/ar-BB1rieUX?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=HCTS&cvid=c532789a8a3c4972a514637fe699d216&ei=18

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Garland Has A Way To Immediately Release The Mar-a-Lago Report (Original Post) gab13by13 9 hrs ago OP
the flunkies were arrested in hopes they would fold on trump rampartd 9 hrs ago #1
Garland is using the Nauta/Oliveira trials as cover gab13by13 9 hrs ago #2
no doubt rampartd 9 hrs ago #3
⬆⬆⬆THIS⬆⬆⬆ Think. Again. 9 hrs ago #4
Do these "institutionalists" realize johnnyfins 8 hrs ago #6
Yes, of course they do. JUSTICE is what the oligarchs decide it is. The current models are in Asia. LiberalArkie 7 hrs ago #19
We'll get them this week malaise 9 hrs ago #5
You sound confident johnnyfins 8 hrs ago #7
I hope so. calimary 8 hrs ago #8
Something feels wrong about standing hat-in-hand begging for something which belongs to us. Magoo48 8 hrs ago #11
Lots of things are wrong malaise 8 hrs ago #12
Yup, can't argue with that. Magoo48 8 hrs ago #13
My fearless prediction: AverageOldGuy 8 hrs ago #9
Hey but, gab13by13 7 hrs ago #17
And another thing. AverageOldGuy 8 hrs ago #10
And after... Wuddles440 7 hrs ago #15
Throw the book at him, General. Kid Berwyn 7 hrs ago #14
I will never forget these photos Meowmee 7 hrs ago #27
The most successful spy operation of all time. Kid Berwyn 6 hrs ago #32
People are just ignoring it now apparently Meowmee 6 hrs ago #34
It has become totally... GiqueCee 7 hrs ago #16
"Immediately" is a relative term. Fiendish Thingy 7 hrs ago #18
From my link, gab13by13 7 hrs ago #21
That doesn't change the fact that a hearing for a motion to dismiss would have to be scheduled Fiendish Thingy 7 hrs ago #25
Kristy Greenberg gab13by13 6 hrs ago #30
How does her C.V. Change the reality of scheduling a hearing? Fiendish Thingy 6 hrs ago #33
I only have your word that Garland can't end the prosecution quickly. gab13by13 6 hrs ago #36
You have your eyes and ears, you don't need a link. Fiendish Thingy 5 hrs ago #40
How long will it take for Pam Bondi gab13by13 5 hrs ago #41
Bondi will still have to go before a judge to get a motion to dismiss approved. Fiendish Thingy 4 hrs ago #43
Only? returnee 2 hrs ago #44
My understanding is once a defendant has been arraigned... Fiendish Thingy 1 hr ago #45
He is afraid of Trump and magat goons. Emile 7 hrs ago #20
Is he afraid or complicit? gab13by13 7 hrs ago #22
Both Emile 7 hrs ago #24
Nauta/DeOliveira are small fish. Since when is DoJ ever worried about small fish? paleotn 7 hrs ago #23
Will he? Probably not. Meowmee 7 hrs ago #26
Garland screwed blueknight73 6 hrs ago #28
BIDEN could do it with two words... Grins 6 hrs ago #29
I hate to be a cynic, but if past is prologue nothing gets revealed until these guys can write their books. bluesbassman 6 hrs ago #31
Garland was quick to release the Hur report gab13by13 6 hrs ago #35
Smith has resigned already. I doubt we will see either report, ever. Lonestarblue 6 hrs ago #37
Maybe Pam Bondi gab13by13 6 hrs ago #38
IF Americas democracy folds, it's not only foreign countries that caused it. It's because bluestarone 5 hrs ago #39
Never happen. republianmushroom 4 hrs ago #42

rampartd

(1,119 posts)
1. the flunkies were arrested in hopes they would fold on trump
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 07:40 AM
9 hrs ago

too late for that now. they are still stooges and totally replaceable.

drop the charges and publish the report. immediately.

like robert shaw and richard dreyfuss sitting on 1/2 a boat bragging that the remoras are nibbling while jaws is about to make another pass.

note to garland : you are not helping your own case by protecting trump. it did not help comey, wray, barr, sessions or any others who did his dirty work. you are on kash patel's list either way, so publish the damn report.

gab13by13

(25,564 posts)
2. Garland is using the Nauta/Oliveira trials as cover
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 07:47 AM
9 hrs ago

so that he has an excuse to not release the Smith report.

Just like Garland used his pyramid strategy as cover to not investigate Trump and his inner circle until it was too late.

Blaming the Supreme Court is a cop out. If Garland had acted from the onset, the situation, the climate would have been much different. If Garland would have indicted people like Ken Chesebro and Marl Meadows and Kash Patel, early on, it would have been much harder for the Supreme Court to intervene. People who blame the Supreme Court instead of Garland are simply making up a possible scenario that may have not happened.

rampartd

(1,119 posts)
3. no doubt
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 08:02 AM
9 hrs ago

pointing to a few stuffed remora on his wall and talking about the "big shark who got away" is no way to spend your life in guantanamo bay.

this trial should have been wrapped up before the 2022 mid terms - fast tracked in every court.

well, i'll shut up. i've had enough hides on this subject

my next challenge is to jack smith - a guy who is literally in exile until or if ever trump leaves office. release the damn report. don't even say you did not take a copy out with you. release the damn thing.

johnnyfins

(1,532 posts)
6. Do these "institutionalists" realize
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 08:26 AM
8 hrs ago

that without JUSTICE, these institutions don't mean jack squat?

LiberalArkie

(16,742 posts)
19. Yes, of course they do. JUSTICE is what the oligarchs decide it is. The current models are in Asia.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 09:54 AM
7 hrs ago

Magoo48

(5,610 posts)
11. Something feels wrong about standing hat-in-hand begging for something which belongs to us.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 09:02 AM
8 hrs ago

There appears to be a lot slithering, oozing, wimpish cowering, and sniveling going on behind the scenes. All this wormtongue shit could really piss a fella off.

AverageOldGuy

(2,252 posts)
9. My fearless prediction:
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 08:39 AM
8 hrs ago

Neither of Jack Smith's reports will be released and Trump's DOJ will delete them.


-- Smith's report of his investigation into Trump's Jan 6 responsibility
-- Smith's report of his investigation into Trump's theft of highly classified material and possible/probable revealing of that material to foreign governments or individuals.

Neither of these reports and the evidence behind them will ever be released. Unless some brave person(s) in DOJ leak them, it's over.

Garland is a failure and we should sing that refrain from the rooftops forever.

On the day after Trump is inaugurated, I intend to send letters to editors at WashPost, my local papers, major papers in VA and MD and I encourage everyone else to do the same nationwide. Most of them will not be published but enough will be. We need to keep it up, reminding the country of Garland's failure to protect the Constitution and rule of law. Biden should bear some fault also -- he appointed Garland and could have replaced him with a pit bull dog of an AG at any time but he elected to be the old-line institutionalist that he and Garland are.

gab13by13

(25,564 posts)
17. Hey but,
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 09:42 AM
7 hrs ago

For whatever freaking reason, Garland gave the Smith reports to Trump and his lawyers. No fucking wonder they fought like hell to keep them from the public.

Garland may also release one or both reports and may make them so highly redacted to hide all of the good shit, just like Bill Barr did.

Garland is Bill Barr 2.0.

AverageOldGuy

(2,252 posts)
10. And another thing.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 08:49 AM
8 hrs ago

Trump should just keep Garland as Attorney General. Or hire him as his personal attorney. After all . . .

Wuddles440

(1,461 posts)
15. And after...
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 09:31 AM
7 hrs ago

he nominates Cannon for one of the seats, which will surely soon be vacated by Sammy or Clarence, I wouldn't be the least surprised if he nominates Garland for the next opening.

Kid Berwyn

(18,587 posts)
14. Throw the book at him, General.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 09:30 AM
7 hrs ago


Add illustrations, makes it easier to see who is the traitor.

Kid Berwyn

(18,587 posts)
32. The most successful spy operation of all time.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 10:31 AM
6 hrs ago

While the Orange Turd may never be held to account for "election interference" by hiding hush money payments, "mishandling" Top Secret and Sensitive Defense Information, "stealing" a presidential election, "hiding" money from various banks and the taxman, plus who knows what high crimes and misdemeanors else, he needs to recognized in one important area that has not been addressed by Special Counsel or the investigative units of mainstream media:

As pee-resident, Trump represented the most successful spy operation of all time: Putin’s insertion of an active agent into the Oval Office.



Unretouched photo in which then-President Donald Trump sends former KGB colonel Vladimir Putin a conspiratorial wink.



Trump hid his calls with Putin. Now, Biden has access to them.

What was said between the two leaders is a great mystery, one that advisers to the current president say is imperative to find out.


By NATASHA BERTRAND and DANIEL LIPPMAN
Politico, 02/09/2021

Few Trump-era mysteries are as intriguing as what the 45th president said to Vladimir Putin in at least a dozen rambling, off-the-cuff calls and meetings over four years. Understanding what was said between the two could help illuminate whether Trump ever revealed sensitive information or struck any deals with the Kremlin leader that could take the new administration by surprise.

Now that President Joe Biden is in the White House, he can see for himself.

“They don’t need our approval to see those [records],” a former Trump White House official said, referring to the new Biden national security team. “Biden owns all the call materials. There is only one president at a time.”

SNIP…

“It is a national security priority to find out what Trump said to Putin” over his four years in office, said one former national security official who is close to the new president. “Some things, like what happened in some face-to-face meetings where no American translator or note-taker was present, may never be fully known. But I would be very surprised if the new national security team were not trying to access” the call records.

SNIP…

Trump went to particularly great lengths to keep his in-person conversations with the Russian leader private, from confiscating his interpreter’s notes to forgoing American translators and notetakers altogether in their meetings. That desire for secrecy has extended even past his time in office. One former Trump official argued last week that records of Trump’s conversations with Putin, which often lasted an hour or more, should not be made available to his successor.

SOURCE: https://www.politico.com/news/2021/02/09/biden-can-access-trump-putin-calls-468100



In his capacity as pee-resident, Trump represented an existential threat to national security as an agent working to advance the interests of Vladimir Putin. Therefore, in lieu of an investigation by the press or Congress, it would advance the national interest for the Department of Justice to investigate the troubling relationship between Boss Putin and Toad Trump. (Otherwise, without involvement by DoJ, Every Good American would want to perform a Citizen's Arrest the next time the guy is in town.)



Trump’s Top Targets in the Russia Probe Are Experts in Organized Crime

Some of President Trump’s favorite targets in the Russia probe have spent their careers in the Justice Department and the FBI investigating organized crime and money laundering, particularly as they pertain to Russia.


NATASHA BERTRAND
The Atlantic, AUG 30, 2018

Bruce Ohr. Lisa Page. Andrew Weissmann. Andrew McCabe. President Donald Trump has relentlessly attacked these FBI and Justice Department officials as dishonest “Democrats” engaged in a partisan “witch hunt” led by the special counsel determined to tie his campaign to Russia. But Trump’s attacks have also served to highlight another thread among these officials and others who have investigated his campaign: their extensive experience in probing money laundering and organized crime, particularly as they pertain to Russia.

snip...

Trump’s latest obsession is with Bruce Ohr, a career Justice Department official who spent years investigating Russian organized crime and corruption—an expertise he shared with another Trump target named Christopher Steele, the former British intelligence operative who provided valuable intelligence on Russia to the State Department and the FBI’s Eurasian Organized Crime Task Force prior to authoring the Trump-Russia dossier in 2016. Ohr and Steele met in 2007, according to The New York Times, and stayed in touch as a result of their shared interests and mutual respect. Trump has tweeted about Ohr nearly a dozen times this month alone, complaining about his relationship with Steele and Ohr’s wife’s past work for Fusion GPS—the opposition-research firm that hired Steele in 2016 to research Trump’s Russia ties.

snip...

Trump’s fixation with seeing Ohr ousted from the Justice Department could be perceived as yet another attempt to undermine the credibility of the people who have investigated him. It could also be interpreted as an attack on someone with deep knowledge of the shady characters Trump and his cohort have been linked to, including Semion Mogilevich, the Russian mob boss, and Oleg Deripaska, a Russian aluminum magnate close to Putin who did business with Trump’s former campaign chairman Paul Manafort. (Incidentally, another Manafort associate, the Ukrainian billionaire Dmitry Firtash, admitted that he only managed to be in business because Mogilevich allowed him to be, according to a leaked 2008 State Department cable.) Ohr was involved in banning Deripaska from the U.S. in 2006, due to his alleged ties to organized crime and fear that he would try to launder money into American real estate. Nearly a decade later, Ohr and the FBI sought Deripaska’s help in taking down overseas criminal syndicates.

Snip...

The president has denied having any business ties to Russia, and his dream of building a Trump Tower Moscow never materialized. But his links to Russian oligarchs and mobsters from the former Soviet Union have been documented: Millions of dollars from the former Soviet Union flowed into Trump’s developments and casinos throughout the 1990s, as the journalist Craig Unger has chronicled, as oligarchs looked for a place to hide their money in the West. The Trump Taj Mahal casino in Atlantic City, New Jersey, was once known as a hot spot for Brooklyn mobsters associated with the Russian Mafia, and quickly became the “favorite East Coast destination” of the top Russian mob boss Vyacheslav Ivankov, according to the 2000 book Red Mafiya: How the Russian Mob Has Invaded America. It was also repeatedly cited by the Treasury Department’s Financial Crimes Enforcement Network for having inadequate money-laundering controls.

Continues...

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/08/trumps-top-targets-in-the-russia-probe-are-experts-in-organized-crime/569056/



So. How many Americans even know this story? Most all the people I have asked about it have no clue. And for that ignorance, I blame the Media Monopoly, AKA the mainstream press, comprised of broadcast news organizations and America's major newspapers and news magazines, such as they are.

Of course, there's more to the Trump-Putin Love Story. Trump actually invited the GRU into the Oval Office.



The photo of Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and dip above was taken by TASS, the official Russian news agency. The US media were not informed about the 2017 visit. We learned about it because the Unhinged Moron himself spread the pic proudly on social media.

How many people do you know who’ve seen that picture or the one below, taken on an earlier date in the Oval Office? Again, very few.



“I just fired the head of the FBI. He was crazy, a real nut job," Trump said, according to The Times. "I faced great pressure because of Russia. That's taken off.”

"I'm not under investigation," he added.

Sources:

https://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/05/10/527755991/trump-meets-with-russias-lavrov-at-the-white-house-today

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-nut-job-james-comey-russia-2017-5

The polls indicated the 2024 Presidential Election was a dead-heat, demonstrating the power of propaganda and the corrupt nature of America’s profit-driven news media. Were it otherwise, most Americans would know Trump hosted Russia’s top spies and fired America's top counter-espionage agents specializing in catching Russian spies. Putting Trump on trial as a dirty rotten spy would change the narrative, as they say.

That's where the facts led. And that is where criminal investigations should have begun: Trump should be facing a third federal trial, answering charges of espionage on behalf of Russia. Now he's heading back into the Oval Office, a place he’s made crystal clear where the Russians are most welcome.

Meowmee

(6,444 posts)
34. People are just ignoring it now apparently
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 10:43 AM
6 hrs ago

He’ll never be held accountable for any of that either…. the world is really upside down.

GiqueCee

(1,579 posts)
16. It has become totally...
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 09:39 AM
7 hrs ago

... and irretrievably impossible to to rationalize the treachery and cowardice that is virtually imbedded in the DNA of a certain party who had the power and wherewithal to effect the rescue of America's credibility from the blood-soaked jaws of Republicanism... but chose not to, because HE didn't want to appear "partisan".

There should be consequences.

Fiendish Thingy

(18,986 posts)
18. "Immediately" is a relative term.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 09:45 AM
7 hrs ago

For the charges against the minions to be dropped, someone from SDFL would have to go before a judge and move for dismissal. The question is, which judge? Cannon appears to no longer have jurisdiction following her ruling that all the docs charges are not valid because of Smith’s alleged improper appointment. Determining the proper venues and moving for dismissal would probably take us past inauguration day.

It appears the only way the impediment (charges against minions) to releasing Smith’s docs report could be removed “immediately” would be for Biden to pardon the minions.

gab13by13

(25,564 posts)
21. From my link,
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 09:58 AM
7 hrs ago

"Well," she added. "In nine days, that case against those two co-defendants is going away. Trump is going to have his DOJ drop that appeal, so why not just drop the case against them, drop that appeal against them now? And then you can release this report."

"It's silly, it's not pragmatic," she added. Former prosecutor Kristy Greenberg.

Fiendish Thingy

(18,986 posts)
25. That doesn't change the fact that a hearing for a motion to dismiss would have to be scheduled
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 10:16 AM
7 hrs ago

SDFL can’t just drop the charges via email.

Despite the quote from yet another TV lawyer, As one who has followed these cases closely, you should be well aware of how court schedules are not a simple, quick process.

A pardon is the only “immediate” remedy.

gab13by13

(25,564 posts)
30. Kristy Greenberg
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 10:25 AM
6 hrs ago

Full Name Kristy Greenberg
Date of Birth May 8, 1979 (Age: 43 as of 2024)
Education B.A. in History (Yale University)J.D. (Harvard Law School)
Career Highlights Former Assistant U.S. Attorney, Deputy Chief of Criminal Division, Health Care Fraud Coordinator, Partner at Hogan Lovells (since September 2022)
Notable Awards 2018 Top Prosecutor Award (Women in Federal Law Enforcement Foundation), Recognized as a “Rising Star” and in Chambers USA’s America’s Leading Lawyers for Business

Fiendish Thingy

(18,986 posts)
33. How does her C.V. Change the reality of scheduling a hearing?
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 10:39 AM
6 hrs ago

You’ve seen numerous times how long it can take to schedule a hearing- even when Smith wanted a hearing to dismiss Trump’s charges post-election, it took a couple of weeks.

gab13by13

(25,564 posts)
36. I only have your word that Garland can't end the prosecution quickly.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 11:08 AM
6 hrs ago

Seeing your record regarding Garland I am going to have to respectfully ask for a link why Garland can't just dismiss the charges.

What does EmptyWheel have to say about this?

Fiendish Thingy

(18,986 posts)
40. You have your eyes and ears, you don't need a link.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 11:37 AM
5 hrs ago

Garland could hold a press conference right now, and say “we’re are dropping all charges”, but that wouldn’t make it so- there would have to be a motion to dismiss approved by a judge.

As you have seen, that doesn’t happen with a snap of the fingers.

If you don’t believe me, just Google “Smith seeks dismissal of Trump charges” or something similar, to see the timeline for a high profile, recent example of how dismissal of charges are not immediate.

On the other hand, a Biden pardon would literally be immediate.

gab13by13

(25,564 posts)
41. How long will it take for Pam Bondi
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 11:47 AM
5 hrs ago

to dismiss the case against Nauta and De Oliveira?

The pardon rules must be getting out of hand. A person should have to be convicted before a pardon is issued.

Fiendish Thingy

(18,986 posts)
43. Bondi will still have to go before a judge to get a motion to dismiss approved.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 12:54 PM
4 hrs ago

I expect that would still take longer than 8 days, just as it would now.

Fiendish Thingy

(18,986 posts)
45. My understanding is once a defendant has been arraigned...
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 03:55 PM
1 hr ago

That is, the prosecution has formally brought charges against an individual (usually in the form of “the people vs. X” ), the prosecution cannot unilaterally drop the charges without the consent of the court.

It is perhaps a formality, but it is also a part of the rule of law called Due Process, not that any defendant would object and say, “no I insist on going to trial”.

It is more of a case where both the prosecution and the defense show up in court and agree that the charges should be dropped and the judge rules that the case is closed either with or without prejudice (without means charges could be refiled in the future).

paleotn

(19,693 posts)
23. Nauta/DeOliveira are small fish. Since when is DoJ ever worried about small fish?
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 10:00 AM
7 hrs ago

Nauta and DeOliveira's cases will be dropped on Jan 20 anyway. Jan 21 at the latest. Come on Garland. Redeem yourself. Release the report.

blueknight73

(316 posts)
28. Garland screwed
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 10:23 AM
6 hrs ago

Everyone! President Biden, the citizens of this country, and the justice system. He was a massive disappointment. I hope to never hear his loser name again. Fu*k him.

bluesbassman

(19,952 posts)
31. I hate to be a cynic, but if past is prologue nothing gets revealed until these guys can write their books.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 10:27 AM
6 hrs ago

Garland for sure strikes me as the kind of guy who finds his courage to do the right thing for the American people when there’s payday involved.

gab13by13

(25,564 posts)
35. Garland was quick to release the Hur report
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 10:44 AM
6 hrs ago

Garland appointed Trump crony Hur as special counsel to investigate classified documents found at President Biden's properties.

Garland released the entire Hur report, unredacted, even the lying part about the only reason that Hur did not indict Joe was because he was old and senile and forgetful.

Garland had the balls to release those lies about President Biden and now he is going to hide the report about the classified documents found at Mar-el-Lago. Many of the classified documents that Trump stole were the most top secret to only be viewed in a SCIF.

Fuck you Merrick Garland, I thought you weren't going to be partisan?

Lonestarblue

(12,040 posts)
37. Smith has resigned already. I doubt we will see either report, ever.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 11:14 AM
6 hrs ago

And, of course, all evidence will be destroyed on January 20. I hope I’m wrong, but I think Garland will let the clock run out as usual. Then he can disappear into obscurity as historians describe him as weak and ineffective.

gab13by13

(25,564 posts)
38. Maybe Pam Bondi
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 11:18 AM
6 hrs ago

will give her summary of the Smith reports, just like Bill Barr did with Mueller?

Garland still has time to release the unredacted Mueller report.

Time Matters.

bluestarone

(18,459 posts)
39. IF Americas democracy folds, it's not only foreign countries that caused it. It's because
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 11:35 AM
5 hrs ago

America was attacked by American religious cultists traitors as well as by our own Government. Remember these traitors forever!!

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