Could there be more advanced drone technology by the Russians or Chinese?

The US military drone technology highly classified for decades.

To this day people don't realize drones were used in the Viet Nam war.

.... advanced, classified, drone technology in commercial airspace over the Bahamas. These photos look like some sort of meteorological phenomenon.

Because it is classified.

Of course the USAF is going to run experimental tests over open water in isolated places.

I grew up on USAF military bases as a kid and civilian housing near the bases.
Small working bases in wartime. And large think tank type research military bases
in nearby civilian housing during peacetime.

We would see experimental aircraft fly over head. In civilian air space.

Everyone would go out and look at them. We know what is experimental
because we grew up on flight lines looking at airplanes take off and land all day long.
We would go ask the military men what the heck we were looking at.
Sometimes they would tell us, sometimes they wouldn't.

I remember clearly one flew over our street at night in the mid/late 1960s.
Everyone ran out to look at it, all the neighbors.

It was so strange, it flew like a small helicopter, but the lights were all wrong.
And there was no propellor on top. The lights were very bright and all over the craft, blinking
and various colors. It just hung in the air, stationary. Please note that this was in civilian airspace,
close to a large military research facility.

Weirdest damn thing any of us had ever seen. We begged the active duty military officer
friends to tell us what it was. We got some BS answer which we were used to as military kids.
You don't get a straight answer when you ask questions that are classified.

I now think we were looking at drone experiements which were highly classified.

But yes I agree, this current event looks weather related..

I work in Defense aerospace R&D. I guarantee that the USAF or the USN are NOT running classified testing in commercial airspace, especially not near commercial air traffic. It’s hard enough doing it at tightly controlled ranges.

I saw it with my own eyes in the mid 60's.
This happened near a large military base and large international airport.

I am not a damn liar.

I can’t speak for the 60’s. Buy today that would not happen. I’m trying to plan a test right now with a. Classified component. The hoops you have to jump through are pretty intense.

Possibly

although "drone" may be stretching it for them

One my military neighbors, a pilot, used to drop them over certain areas during the VN war.
He always pretended he was dropping balloons.

People always think military kids are stupid and we don't know what is going on.

Ball lightning is a known phenomenon.

Here is a captured Chinese naval drone:


Filipino soldiers gather around the Chinese-made submersible drone recovered near San Pascual, Masbate on 30 Dec 2024. (Photo: PNP-Bicol)


China's next generation J20 stealth fighter (with technology stolen from the US. This is their version of the USAF F35).


Slow-moving Chinese spy balloon.



Slow-moving US Army spy blimp.

a blurry pic of the moon with a satellite passing in front of it.

.... the payload was using a solar cell array for power which is very similar to the solar panels used for power on some satellites.

US has been working on drone technology for decades and the public never knew about it until more recently.

looks like something I saw back in the late 1970s when I lived in a Cleveland suburb.

King Charles of the UK was a young prince in his 20s at the time. He was on a tour of the US. During his brief stop in Cleveland, he stayed at the home of a family in a very exclusive east side suburb, far from the west side where I lived.

As I drove out of the parking lot of my apt. building, heading for work in the morning, I saw a blimp that appeared to be hovering low over the area. My view was partially obscured by trees. I remember thinking that it resembled reports of cigar shaped UFOs that I'd heard about. Since I've never believed that alien invasions are anything other than science fiction, I was not alarmed. Yes, it was strange since I had never seen a blimp in the sky before and have not seen any since then. But since there are such things as blimps, it was a curiosity to me, not something scary. I shrugged it off as some sort of security measure due to the prince's visit.

I asked a few people at work if they had seen a blimp that morning. Nobody had. There are a lot of people in Cleveland and its suburbs so I expected to hear something about it in the news. Somebody else must have noticed it. But I don't remember any reports about it.

Now I wonder if it was an Army surveillance blimp for security during Prince Charles' visit.

just maybe, the extraterrestrials are getting serious about us humans who are intent of destroying the earth and they don't like what they seeing.

The ETS are a day late and a dollar short.

https://www.nbcmiami.com/news/local/ufo-sighting-fort-lauderdale-flight-crew-spots-something-strange-in-the-sky/3511543/

Of ball lightning moving and changing directions. Add in two different moving objects, at least one moving at relatively high speeds and yes I think it can definitely look as if it is zig zagging.

on ball lightning. It has several descriptions of ball lightning movements. Fascinating article.

knowledge (none, really) of how electricity and lightning work other than Franklin's experiment to prove that lightning is electricity.

But post #2 has a link to some fascinating descriptions of ball lightning in a Wikipedia article, along with several hypotheses on how it forms and what it consists of.

When I read those descriptions, a couple of them sounded like what happened to my paternal grandmother. The only other person present at the time was my uncle who described it to me years later. There was a severe thunderstorm some miles away from their farmhouse, which was at the top of a hill. My grandmother was peeling apples in the kitchen. My uncle was on the other side of their large kitchen table.

I had been told by other relatives that she was killed by a lightning bolt, which I figured was a streak of lightning like you see in the sky during a storm. But my uncle told me that it was a ball of light that came into the kitchen and moved straight to my grandmother, who had a metal peeler in her hand and was seated next to an old-fashioned iron cookstove. He said that the ball seemed to explode with a force that knocked him a off of his chair and a few feet sideways. There was a booming sound at the same time, and a sulfur smell afterward.

My grandmother was still breathing, but died either at the hospital or on the way. Cause of death was listed as heart failure due to a lightning strike. My uncle was a teen at the time and suffered heart damage and a couple heart attacks at a young age. A few operations and pacemakers replaced at intervals allowed him to live to age 92.

I never heard of this before.

But after looking at the recent pictures, it sure looks quite possible.

It never gets closer to earth than 45,000 feet. Eloon has it under a no fly zone.

Last week Trump announced that he is appointing Herschel Walker as ambassador to the Bahamas.

Coincidence?

I WISH THIS WAS TRUE!!!

in the UAP world. I never paid close attention but with the admissions in congressional hearings over the last few years and the sheer bizarreness of the drone incursions over military bases, and then the orbs, things are interesting. It’s unfortunate that whenever I find a rational discussion taking place, the skeptics swoop in to ridicule everything and the whole discussion space becomes polluted with nonsense.

You can count on me for a rec if you post more. Thanks!

Over 50 school children were outside at recess and all saw a vehicle land and a being get out. The films shows them being interviewed by John Mack MD, the Harvard psychiatrist, back when it happened, and again more recently by the filmmakers. No hype, just straightforward accounting of an unusual experience, and very moving for the honesty and integrity of the kids. It's called Ariel Phenomenon (because it happened at the Ariel School, in Zimbabwe):

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For anyone with a serious interest in the subject of UAPs/UFOs, I would also suggest some great books: Richard Dolan’s UFOs and the National Security State (two volumes) and Tom Delong & Peter Levenda’s Sekret Machines: Gods, Man, and War (three volumes). These are sober, detailed examinations of one of the great, important mysteries of our time.

on Netflix, by a reporter named George Knapp. It was interesting, not sensationalist (yet) so I'm going to keep watching. I'll check out the Ariel Phenomenon next.

https://www.netflix.com/tudum/articles/investigation-alien-release-date-news

as far as trying to find currently engaged investigators to follow is that I end up in decidedly right-wing spaces which is a new, discomforting experience. lol

It makes sense in a way because military personnel are often the ones reporting such sightings, and to whom such sightings are reported, and they tend to be more conservative spaces.

I've covered a lot of territory in the last two months since I started the deep dive. Reddit was a reliable space at first before the spaces were bombarded with BS posts. At my age I find I have less and less patience to wade through bullshit.

Do any of you frequent any discussion boards/fora or follow any people you feel are reliable reporters on this topic? Amazingly, when the NJ drone topic was being reported on, News Nation seemed to have more coverage. (Speaking of News Nation, I don't know who is behind it but I recognize many reporters I used to like long ago who have shows on there so I'm trying not to have a knee-jerk reaction of ick to all media that isn't independent as I tend to have now.)

Everything that has happened, is happening and will happen and has happened an infinite times over infinite space.
We are limited by words(symbols). We are very limited in our thinking.

What drives me bonkers is the limited thinking of people who, correctly, say “that’s not how physics work” and other explanations to dismiss activity.

Imagine how people in the 1800s would react to today’s everyday technology.

We don’t know what we don’t know.

https://www.sciencealert.com/physicists-find-particle-that-only-has-mass-when-moving-in-one-direction

day, and tons more to learn still left. This concept leaves one really wondering.

Thanks for sharing this ... I am a fan of topics such as this, so I will bookmark this, to have it on file, so I can go revisit and expand into more related topics that branch off this one.

Just for fun, I'll try to add mud to the conversation and say that from what we see at this point, time and space are the same thing. It's not infinite. Don't think of it as infinite. The human brain hates asymmetry and needs to fill it with something, even anything to make the asymmetry seem symmetrical. If we remove the idea that space/time is infinite, the question arises, "but what is beyond that?" The idea of what's beyond time and space is part our natural revulsion to what we perceive as asymmetrical, thus the question. So in conclusion, try not to think of time and space or space/time as infinite or at least think about the idea of a finite universe where what is beyond really is not beyond at all. Beyond is just an illusion our mind confuses us with when trying to make our perceptions less confused; it's just using our very limited experience in application.

Seeking symmetry in asymmetry is a good thing, though. It's what makes us creative, spurs us to seek answers and gives us wonderment and awe.

We can't just have regular UFOs. Now we have to have Florida UFOs.

...this here space ship 🚀 all aglowin' comes down, and well, stole our meth lab. And Lauraleen. Um, maybe Lauraleen wanted to go. She was amazed all them little critters had teeth...

A large portion of the ocean is unmapped.

Many sea creatures that we are aware of are shaped like orbs, can light up, and some can blend in. The ones that we're aware of cannot fly for long outside of the ocean, but maybe there are some that we are not aware of that can.

Interesting that they have been spotted at 45,000 ft. Maybe these things live in glaciers?

A wild assumption, but when you're talking about things that can fly with so much abandon, that sounds like stuff living creatures can do. Swoop down to the ocean to get fish, sore into the skies, etc

!@#$%

Study of an Unusual Phenomenon Observed by BOAC Aircrew over Labrador, Newfoundland

June 29, 1954
Martin Shough

This classic observation was made by crew and passengers of a 4-engine Boeing Stratocruiser3 of the British Overseas Airways Corporation. Flight 510-196 was a luxury flight bound for London on the "champagne and caviar run", departing New York at 1703 local (2103 GMT) on June 29, 1954 with 51 passengers aboard. Four hours later at sunset, 19,000ft over Labrador en route for Goose Bay, an apparently huge shape-changing UAP and a swarm of small attendant objects was seen against the bright sky off the left wing. The strange display persisted for 18 minutes.

After a refuelling stop at Goose where they were met and questioned by US Air Force intelligence officers the crew proceeded to London, where the story rapidly appeared in national papers and magazines. Capt James R. Howard was filmed for BBC TV and cinema newsreels. It became big news and went around the world within days via the Associated Press syndicated wire. The standing of the witnesses, in particular 33-year-old Capt. Howard, a highly respected former RAF Squadron Leader with 7500 hours commercial flying on 256 Atlantic crossings to his credit at the time of the sighting, has never been called in question. They were convinced that their airliner was followed for 80 miles by a formation of solid flying objects under intelligent control. To this day the case is still hailed by many ufologists as one of the most significant unexplained cases.

Snip...



The report

Here is Capt Howard's first person account4 from the December 11, 1954, edition of the
British magazine Everybody's Weekly:

WE WERE SHADOWED FROM OUTER SPACE

Maybe it wasn't exactly a flying saucer. What I saw, on a recent New York to London flight, was more of a flying arrow, I guess you'd have called it at one stage. It seemed to keep changing its shape as it flew beside me, very much like a jellyfish assumes varying patterns as it swims through the water. Or maybe the apparent changes in shape were due to the different angles we viewed it from as it banked and turned about five miles off.

Whatever it was - a giant flying wing, jellyfish or saucer - of these things I'm quite certain: It wasn't a trick of light or a figment of the imagination. It wasn't any sort of electrical, magnetic or natural phenomenon. And it certainly wasn't a mirage.

No, it was something real and substantial; something that kept station with me for eighty miles and only sheered off when I got a radio call from the Sabre-jet fighter which had been sent up from Goose Bay to intercept the thing. It was something - the idea gives me slight goose-pimples when I think of it - which was keeping my Boeing Stratocruiser, Centaurus, under observation.
The date was June 29 this year. Just before sunset. Over Labrador. The sky was crystal-clear.

Snip...

I counted, re-counted, counted again. Six. Always six. Sometimes there were three stretched out in front of the main thing and three behind. Sometimes five stretched out in line ahead and only one behind. I had the impression that just before I got round to counting them there were more than six, which ties in with Lee Boyd's idea that they were flying in and out of the large central object like aircraft entering and leaving a flight hangar.

Lee said, as though he didn't believe it himself: "There's a lot of Air Force traffic in and out of Goose Bay some days. Maybe it's a formation of fighters way out in the distance. Want me to call up Goose and check?".

Continues... PDF:

http://www.martinshough.com/aerialphenomena/BOAC%20aircrew%20sighting.pdf

In truth, must have been a real shocker, if not scary as all get out — both then and now.

That it's more-intelligent beings come to save us.

Humans.

Funny how there always ends up being a rational, terrestrial explanation for things that capture human's pattern finding instincts.

your philosophy."

Until then, I keep explanations to the mundane and rational, and refuse to delve into the "I'm not saying it's aliens....but it's aliens." That's exactly where this inevitably goes...thus, not this shit again. I'm perfectly comfortable with I don't know and refuse to fill that space with wild, irrational speculation. Fermi's Paradox is still a paradox.

evident in your posts. And please notice that I made no claims of any kind, I simply pointed out a rather widely-understood statement. The defensiveness of your statements, their implied superiority, is most interesting, and amusing.

Lots of possibilities, but some are far less likely than others. But humans inevitably gravitate towards the far less likely like moths to a flame and that's what annoys me. They accept wild speculation as truth. It's not. I don't know and await solid evidence before making an assumption is the rational response, but we're not wired that way unfortunately. The root of much of our troubles.

there is a great deal of evidence to consider. I don’t possess proof of anything, nor do I make any claims regarding the origin of these objects, which the government acknowledges, but cannot explain. I have done my reading on the subject, however. It appears you have not.

It becomes harder to summarily dismiss this issue when one actually confronts the quite extensive evidence that something remarkable is happening.

Do you have any thoughts on the Nimitz videos the government released a few years ago? The official verdict was that the videos captured real objects conducting maneuvers beyond American capabilities.

I don’t know what they were. Do you?

Yeah, they are saying they're aliens.

Occam shakes his head in utter frustration. Humans just don't do abductive reasoning.

Have you read the serious literature on the subject?

Until there's solid evidence?

Beyond that, I make no claims about any of it.

I will ask you again, have you read anything of substance on the matter?

NOT that any of this "exceeds our own technology." That's wildly speculative. You're falling into the "Must fill the gap of knowledge with wild speculation!" rabbit hole. Preconceived notions preferably. That may have served us well on the African savanna, since there was little cost from false positives, but false negatives could get us eaten. We're kind of pre-loaded for that. Try not to be since we don't live on the savanna anymore and developed science and rational thought. Leave it as currently unknown and awaiting verifiable evidence.

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“A new intelligence report sent to Congress on Friday concludes that virtually all of the 144 sightings of unidentified flying objects documented by the military since 2004 are of unknown origin, in an extremely rare public accounting of the U.S. government’s data on UFOs that is likely to fuel further speculation about phenomena the intelligence community has long struggled to understand.
The report — the government’s first unclassified assessment in half a century — does not offer any definitive answers on who or what may be operating a variety of aircraft that, in some cases, appear to defy known characteristics of aerodynamics, and that officials believe pose a threat to national security and flight safety.“

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https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/25/government-report-ufos-are-real-496319

Any that is that supports the wild theories bandied about on the topic?

Images of more blurry blobs......

If you really want to engage the topic, I suggest you start with Richard Dolan’s excellent UFOs and the National Security State, two thick, well-researched volumes that make no claims about the origin of these objects, but give an exhaustive history of the subject and its potential implications.

before I go through "two thick" volumes, does this publication meet the qualification given in my query?

They are meticulously researched examinations of what has been reported over the years, the ways in which these reports have been handled, and the implications of what all of this might mean.

I'll take a look anyhow, if I can find the pubs.

It isn’t their purpose to propose, validate, or object to wild theories of space aliens.

It doesn’t matter a great deal to me if you read them or not, but I would suggest you familiarize yourself with the literature, if only to seek ways to discredit it, if you are going to adamantly disparage the topic.

Unless you actually educate yourself, I suggest that you are the one making wild assumptions.

The ol' "read and learn" and "educate yourself" debate tactic. Sorry, doesn't work.

BTW, it's not what I "want them to do", it's more what I don't (as per my initial post).

Anyhow, thanks for clearing that up.

If you wish to mock me for suggesting a couple of books that might help you to better understand something that you clearly do not, that’s your business.

I didn’t write the books. I only read them.

I could recommend others, but that’s obviously nothing you would have any interest in seeing.

My best advice to you is to either do your reading or refrain from making broad claims about something you are not knowledgeable about.

Doesnt mean its "aliens". Also doesnt mean its NOT. Because no one KNOWS.

Those of us who have witnessed this phenomenon know it is just like when you get home and don’t mistake your wife for Sophia Vergara or your husband for Brad Pitt.

I have spent a lifetime looking up into the sky and have seen everything imaginable, including blimps, balloons, airplanes, helicopters, gyrocopters, the moon, planets, meteor showers, and comets. This thing I saw was nothing like anything I had seen before, and I don’t give a damn what somebody who reflexively denies anything and everything out of their domain says: I and others are witnessing very strange phenomena.

I’m not saying where these things are from, because I don’t know. What they seem to be is a form of technology which is not readily available to be read about on Wikipedia or the learning channel. Deriding people for telling the truth is what right wingers do… We are better than that, or are supposed to be. I absolutely refuse to believe that these pilots, law-enforcement officers, and military people who have sworn that they have experienced visualizing these craft are lying or fabricating. It was like I said in one of my posts about my mother and brother who had a visualization: if in fact, they were lying to me, it is the one and only lie of any serious form that they ever told me in their lifetimes.

one over NORAD, which they earnestly assured me was a "weather balloon" (I did not know that weather balloons could perform aerial stunts!). I was actually one of those in Phoenix the night of that long, mass sighting. And several others that were, to say the least, bizarre. What they were, I have no idea. But see them, I did.

In 1960 if you showed someone who was technically savvy at that time what an iPhone could do, it would be jaw-dropping. If you explained the nature of the manufacturing process for chips, they wouldn’t be able to comprehend the protocols, tolerances, and methodologies. They would write in their diary: it is more likely that you would mistake your wife for Marilyn Monroe than this so-called “phone” could work.

But I understand your post. Believe me, I do.

We went to this museum in Scottsdale called the Arizona Broadwalk and they had a museum called the UFO experience. It was really fascinating and had exhibits about sightings all over the world and in Arizona. I would not be surprised if it was a real UFO. Maybe they’ll help us rid the planet of the evil leaders like a Putin, the 🍊💩🤡, and other despicable people on this planet.

In 1970 I saw a UFO in Lake Berryessa in California. To this day when I talk with the friends who were there with me also say it was a UFO.

means "Unidentified Flying Object" and does not actually imply a non-terrestrial origin for something unidentified. Just that it is unidentified,.

Meanwhile, we have zero physical evidence of anything like that.

Last time I was there it was to see a Titanic exhibition. And I've been to Butterfly Wonderland a couple of times. But I had no idea they had the UFO Experience. I'm going to be sure to go see it. I'm glad I saw your comment. btw, Butterfly Wonderland is really great!

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I like them for it.

or protect us from...

We should be more than worried...

Dontcha live the folks who reply to these claims with the predictable sarcastic responses patented during the 60’s? Now they’re the ones looking stupid and flailing.

A few fuzzy pictures doesn't cut it when most people have 4k phones in their pockets.

Why no clear video?

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https://youtube.com/shorts/ylf5lYqeuCk?si=4V0t-iKWcYLmwcPP

https://youtube.com/shorts/MEMGVuBxv4Y?si=g3qcuwtZrmvXBedH

I truly doubt they are human made with the technology we have now. But, maybe they're hiding it from us. Who knows?