still voted for trump. I won't even discuss trump with them.

they have DISGRACED AMERICA and put our DEMOCRACY in peril

But we shouldn't let hatred and despair work on us. Besides, they don't care how we feel.
We must win, so we must stay positive.

NO AMOUNT of wishful thinking will change that.

Sorry if I was unclear. We are the ones who must not let our feelings cause us to lose hope and I see too much negativity, which can lead to despair all too easily.

but Trump humpers can seriously go fuck themselves

Yes, there were lots of decent, kind people who tried to live good lives to the extent that they could. No doubt they were good neighbors, kind to their children and elders, generous and helpful.

But this didn't stop their society from descending into a prolonged fit of xenophobic and racist madness. Their politicians solicited and then encouraged the worst among them to take charge, with the horrific results we all must remember.

I hope, of course, that the next four years won't see that level of depravity here, but at the moment I don't see much by the way of barriers to check our own descent.

The saddest part, to me, is that unlike Germany in the 1930s we aren't in the midst of a widespread depression coming on the heels of hyperinflation, or recovering from the trauma of a lost war in which millions of our citizens died. Ww haven't suffered a "Starvation Blockade." We haven't lost hunks of our country to any foreign foe. No, the USA is, we keep telling ourselves, the richest, most powerful nation on earth. Most Americans are relatively comfortable, certainly far more comfortable than the average German in 1932. And even at the height of their misery, the majority of German voters actually rejected Hitler and his Nazis, who were installed into power after losing an election by a cartel of senile and corrupt politicians.

By contrast, fully half of our voters evidently need targets for their hatred, and are entirely comfortable with an adjudicated rapist as commander in chief. At the very least millions of them have bought into various narratives that are as absurd as they are obscene. Immigrants eating our pets. Schools operating on boys to turn them into girls. Medical scientists who've spent their lives in public service as part of some conspiracy to bring down the nation via a "phony" pandemic.

I'm glad you run into kind people. I have many kind and generous people in my life as well.

To me this doesn't cancel out the fact that our national government is about to embark on an exercise in calculated cruelty in which the most vulnerable among us, and those least deserving of abuse, will be made to suffer.

And for what? Why is it so many "decent" Americans felt compelled to set us on this course?

No doubt there's no simple answer. But then, there's also no way for so many of us to avoid he consequences of this most recent election.

Best wishes to you and yours--

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I also tend to wonder how well many of these "kind folk" would react to a trans person.

I was talking about the attitudes of we who hate and despise the orange monstrosity - sorry if I was unclear on that. I see too much despair and cynicism among us. Not all of us. but too many for comfort. We must stay positive if we are to win and we must win! We have no choice but to win! Thus, I tried to point out the basic niceness of the American people as a whole. I tried to give hope. We need hope!

FUCK THEM

Hating 71 million people makes me no better than they are. Besides, I hate and despise the orange monstrosity so much I have no hatred left for anybody else.

They probably help their neighbor or give money to a charity or house people who've lost everything.

Problem is, on a wider scale, we are bad. This country does support Trump. People need to stop pretending it's just some small minority. Trump has only grown his support since he came down the escalator in 2015. In fact, he might be the only politician since Reagan who has gotten more popular the longer they've been in the public limelight as a politician. Trump won more votes in 2020 than he did in 2016. He won a higher percentage in 2020 than he won in 2016. And then in 2024, he turned around and won more votes then too - as well as more electoral votes and a higher percentage (finally winning the popular vote).

Maybe by the end of his second presidency, Trump will become as unpopular as Bush and Biden are now. But right now, despite everything since 2015? He's better positioned ten years later than any president has been at this stage.

These good people still voted for Trump. And he's only expanded his numbers, which means more Americans today accept who he is and what he stands for - and support it - than a decade ago when everyone thought his winning was not remotely possible.

some mythological good old days. Too many of us just don't think.
In the meantime I see and hear from too many of us Dems who sound ready to just give up on our country. I wasn't talking about good magats but good Americans. We cannot despair. We must see the good in our country if we are to defeat the orange monstrosity, its string-pullers and its minions and we Must defeat them and not just for our sakes!
Good people the world over need us to win and so do the animals and plants, the air, ground and water.

There is more to life than politics. The system is designed to suck people into the us vs. them mindset. Keeping them angry keeps them participating and donating. That's why there's so much grift around RW politics.

right attitude in my opinion.
Although politics and policy are a big deal to me, I refuse to let it drive anger and hatred in myself. While I may look on Republican voters with a slight bit of disappointment, it's not what I see printed on their forehead when I see them. I see people, just like me, who were at least dedicated enough to leave their house and vote on election day. Politics means nothing to me in everyday life, and I hope for the same from others. Very rarely am I disappointed in real life.
The world only gets worse if we view one another as less than human, and I refuse to contribute to the demise of civility.