lost their homes, and lives in some cases. But I don't think they were swept away by raging rivers, lost everything (because they didn't have anything else), etc., like those in NC.

I hope both areas recover.

The fires have been going on for days and continue - the hurricane and the devastation that followed took place in North Carolina over a much shorter time period. We won’t know the loss of life numbers in California for some time.
One more thing - way more structures have been destroyed with the fire.

property values. Palisades and Altadena are mostly houses built many decades ago before values escalated and were built and owned by middle classes. Big money boys are a more recent occurrence...except Malibu which has always been a big bucks area

both the So Cal areas for fire and the NC areas for flood are well known hazard zones with a long history of disasters. These disasters are nothing new.

We have NEVER had a flood like this in WNC, at least not in the last 100 years

... expected to be hit by a flood like this.

knock it off

enough of your contrarian nonsense.

to this knuckleheaded nonsense !

What media sources are you following that have given you the impression it's only the rich being affected and not middle class and working class families?

To say nothing of all their friends and family, and all the people dealing with the smoke and days of sleepless nights and terror wondering if the fire will spread, dealing with evacuations on short notice with no finances for it?

Have some compassion and empathy and lay off this nauseating avenue of inquiry.

Median home price in PP $4M

Around Pasadena/Altadena... around $1.5M

Huh.

In my 20's I was on the fast track to Loserville. Friend who was a "first 100 employee" at a major SoCal Biotech offered me a job.

I retired during COVID in my 50's after 20+ years.

Seriously... 'sup Bro?

Altadena’s present day diversity came into being largely during the tumult of social change in the 1960s and 70s. The Civil Rights movement, protests against the Vietnam War, the rising youth culture, and other national issues of the day played out locally in lawsuits over school integration, neighborhoods carved apart by new freeways, and redevelopment conflicts in Pasadena. All of these causes, along with a thickening layer of smog piling up against the mountains, prompted half of Altadena’s population to leave in a flurry of white flight. New residents were mainly people of color.

https://altadenaheritage.org/a-short-history-of-altadena/

the wood structure remains pretty much intact -- there's nothing to clean up when the wood structure burns to the ground to ash.

People think they're good to go and don't submit claims to insurance or FEMA. Then the mold sets in and makes the family sick and the walls crumble.

It's pointless to battle over what sort of disaster is the worst. We need a national re-thinking of how to handle these disasters, the insurance issues, climate change, how we construct homes, and how we rebuild.

The pitiful bit is that we are likely going to have to wait four years before that discussion occurs. All we can do for now is to fight one battle one bite at a time. And be there for each other.

Will still be coming. When the Atmospheric River rainfall comes, to Cali, and it will, those same walls of water, mud, trees and bodies will rage down and destroy many homes at the lower end of those canyons that may have survived the fires.
These floods here in WNC and those fires in SoCal are not in a contest of who had it worse. I wish neither on anyone. Not even James Woods.
And my daughter was on a 4 straight day 24 hours each Trauma department shift without water and food. Two of her patients had a child swept from their arms. She got home late night of the 4th one, dropped to her knees and cried uncontrollably.
Said she would rather spend a month in Covid Lockdown than do those 4 days ever again.
“You can clean up after a flood”.
She will never clean up that trauma. Still places without water.

you must keep putting one foot after another. Flooding is one of the most trying things to deal with. Hope you and yours have contacted FEMA. Be persistent. Call Washington, if necessary -- and you can. Bug your Senator. Remember that old adage about the "squeaky wheel." It''s true when it comes to dealing w/ the gov't.

Your daughter sounds like a really great person. Time heals. Hang in there, luv.

Both are receiving extensive coverage

What we can say is that there are more crying TV folks because more than a few are from the area.

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During all the flooding after that hurricane, I remember seeing on tv houses floating away, not many, but there were some. Also after a flood if there has been structural damage, they sometimes have to tear them down.

People that don't live in WNC don't understand the gravity of this situation. I know people who had 11 feet of water in there house, I know people whose house was totally knocked off their foundation and crumpled like a piece of paper. I know people who stood and watched their house float down the river. Just in my county we lost 357 houses and we have over 250 that aren't habitable, but they are staying in them because they have no where else to go. And there are still people here that have no electricity.

In the mountains that flood water is a raging wall of mud, trees and even bodies.
Many homes that may have been left somewhat standing, had 5 feet of mud, debris, trees, cars and raw sewage, and after a few day it is baked into a hard clay. In those homes. Ya can’t get a back hoe in a structure and dig that away. It is done by hand. It took weeks to find bodies in the muck. Some were never found. We still have mountains of debris piled by the roadways. And the land fills cannot take anymore.
I live in areas hit worse.
“You can clean up water after a flood????”
FFS.

Do you feel like the disaster in your area was undercovered? I would be interested in your thoughts on that. I know that the two situations are different because the wildfires are ongoing, and the conditions are so dangerous here (I'm in CA) that we have no idea how many casualties there have been. Houses have not been searched. By the way, I hope you and your community are doing well.

I have no idea how long the story was in the national news though, cause I had no power for a while.

1. It is happening in the media capital of the world. Thus more media access.

That being said, your last line is pure fucking RW Bullshit. Pushed by MAGAts on social media.

I am off to Costco and picking up supplies to take to Altadena tomorrow, a neighborhood full of middle class homes, I know the neighborhood because my niece rented a modest home in the neighborhood, she and her elementary school teacher husband will be pleased to know they are filthy rich in your view.

Pacific Palisades may be getting all the attention, or a disproportionate amount, but Altadena is definitely middle class. Their homes may be worth a lot compared to the rest of the nation, but that's because of appreciation. Most of residents could never afford to buy them in today's market.

And I learned it was one the black working class neighborhoods because the city shut down redlining.

There was PLENTY of coverage of the floods. And this kind of divisive classiest nonsense really doesn't serve much of anyone.

Much of it is right wing lies spread before the election.

120,000 home were destroyed or damaged by Hurricane Helene. But that region is not in the running to be a big media capital.

People were then assessed for additional funds.

The only 750 meme was spread by right wing trumpers.

Flood victims received a lot more than $750. Your ignorance of the relief efforts makes me think of MAGA plants.

People are suffering, many folks on this board live in the area or have friends and family that are affected by this horrible disaster. Let’s give them our love and unconditional emotional support. Don’t do the talking heads jobs for them.

That story dominated for at least a week and then the story of how Biden was refusing to help or do enough to help North Carolina, which was false as fuck, dominated the next few weeks. It was not a two-day story and everyone moved on. Yeesh.

In fact, if it had been a two-day story and nothing else, it probably wouldn't have hurt Biden and Harris like it did. But the false-narratives out of that disaster persisted so much, and were so widely spread (with one being pushed in your own post), that even NC elected officials had to debunk it. It was a month-long shit-show of bad faith reporting by the media.

Wrong & wrong-headed.
You & I agree on a lot of things. This is not one of them.

on the counter of my rural north central NC convenience store......for WNC relief.

Don't expect it will be replaced by one for CA anytime soon.

Coverage here never stopped.

from Helene. I live in CA but grew up in Western NC so maybe I just paid attention to what was out there but I thought it was well-covered. Once the event is over, and there are no more dramatic new videos to show (i.e. active flooding, raging fires) then yeah, coverage changes. Fires are still raging.

There was plenty of news coverage in the New York are regarding NC. For weeks as a matter of fact. And lots of false propaganda about response!
I don't care how rich you are - when you lose your home filled with memories and mementos, it must be devastating. Northern NJ was decimated from Hurricane Irene in 2011 and Southern NJ was wiped out from Superstorm Sandy in 2012. We weren't completely wiped out, but my town looked like a war zone after Irene. We lost many family things from my childhood. Even if we were rich, which we're not, losing irreplaceable things is heartbreaking.

... hundreds/thousands(?) of rescue workers were not risking their lives trying, mostly vainly, to stop to fire from going on and on and on. WNC got lots of coverage, but California is not getting more than it deserves.

you can't possibly be serious