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gab13by13

(25,564 posts)
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 12:47 PM Yesterday

Remember The Server at Trump Tower Connected To Russian Alfa Bank

I was just reminiscing about the crimes that were covered up for Trump.

Trump's server 1mail.trump-email.com had been communicating with 2 servers at Russia's Alfa Bank between May and July 2016. Trump's server was almost exclusively communicating with Alfa Bank. The server was set up to receive emails not send them.

John Durham and Bill Barr white washed this investigation.

I was just thinking now that Trump has immunity he can have a hot line right to Putin's office.

Trump is a traitor who sold the United States out to several countries and we can't even see a fucking report that describes why Trump stole the classified documents. It makes me sick. Do the right thing Garland, release the reports.

https://www.businessinsider.com/alfa-bank-trump-organization-link-remains-mystery-after-durham-indictment-2021-10

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Remember The Server at Trump Tower Connected To Russian Alfa Bank (Original Post) gab13by13 Yesterday OP
The greatest crime in US history was covered up but a large number of people, Irish_Dem Yesterday #1
Jack Smith made the statement gab13by13 Yesterday #3
It is not hard to figure why and what Trump stole. Irish_Dem Yesterday #12
All of the above but Putin might have just blackmailed him MadameButterfly 21 hrs ago #30
This may have been part of it yes. Irish_Dem 21 hrs ago #32
Agreed. As I said, all of the above. However I want to know what Jack Smith MadameButterfly 21 hrs ago #34
Yes I think Smith has a lot of evidence. Irish_Dem 20 hrs ago #36
Smith was in The Netherlands before he became the Special Counsel. wnylib 4 hrs ago #58
I agree, he needs to go back to Europe. Irish_Dem 3 hrs ago #60
Since when DENVERPOPS 17 hrs ago #41
Lets say THAT on facebook and see if it johnnyfins Yesterday #18
I had not heard that, but I would question the validity of the statement without evidence. Wiz Imp Yesterday #22
Jack Smith himself said it. MadameButterfly 21 hrs ago #31
When and where? Link please. Wiz Imp 21 hrs ago #35
I've always thought so because, Captain Zero 22 hrs ago #26
We should all be watching DENVERPOPS 17 hrs ago #42
If Garland prevents the release of both, yellow dahlia 18 hrs ago #38
Most? Americans simply don't care. Can't be bothered to. Evolve Dammit 9 hrs ago #47
More than 70 million Americans absolutely care! nt Trueblue Texan 8 hrs ago #51
I get that, but it is not a majority. Half the republic can't even be bothered to vote. Evolve Dammit 5 hrs ago #53
There is a copy somewhere. Jack has it. Joinfortmill 4 hrs ago #56
In 4 years, did Biden release even one report of any of these activities? Bluetus Yesterday #14
Yep. No one wants us to see the raw ugly truth about Trump's many crimes past and present. Irish_Dem Yesterday #15
And when the Dems go along with these cover-ups Bluetus Yesterday #23
Dems might say it is highly classified. Irish_Dem 23 hrs ago #24
We have to stop playing with one hand tied behind our back Bluetus 22 hrs ago #25
I know playing nice has lost us our democracy, national security, financial and healthcare well being. Irish_Dem 22 hrs ago #27
I heard an Interview on Progress/XM this morning. Bluetus 21 hrs ago #28
For the love of god, making nice is a gd losing strategy. Irish_Dem 21 hrs ago #29
by the time we get four years from now DENVERPOPS 17 hrs ago #43
Yes the victors get to write their version of the truth and create a new reality. Irish_Dem 9 hrs ago #48
Even without the cover-ups Blue_Tires 18 hrs ago #39
Also remember the INTERPETER on that russian phone call? bluestarone Yesterday #2
The one whose notes were confiscated? Evolve Dammit 9 hrs ago #49
The complete, unabridged Starr Report, Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr's investigation of President Bill Clinton, sop Yesterday #4
In that same train of thought gab13by13 Yesterday #5
You want to do that, so they can catch typos and simple mistakes for you. . . . .nt Bernardo de La Paz Yesterday #10
I hope Jack Smith kept a copy DENVERPOPS 17 hrs ago #44
Yup. Joinfortmill 4 hrs ago #57
Much Like DENVERPOPS 3 hrs ago #59
Excellent comparison johnnyfins Yesterday #19
Cannon's injunction expires tomorrow Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #6
Post removed Post removed Yesterday #7
When I misremember I admit it. gab13by13 Yesterday #8
I think that was semi-independently or whatever looked into and found lacking. Bernardo de La Paz Yesterday #9
Question: Could President Biden release any of the reports that aren't released by other means? JHB Yesterday #11
He needs to do it under immunity MadameButterfly 21 hrs ago #33
New Yorker: "Was There a Connection Between a Russian Bank and the Trump Campaign?" Botany Yesterday #13
Do tell. dchill Yesterday #21
Not enough is heard about McGonigle. yellow dahlia 18 hrs ago #40
This country has shown at all levels Trump can do whatever he wants. spudspud Yesterday #16
And don't forget Deutsche Bank's loans to bankrupt tsf... rubbersole Yesterday #17
Question: johnnyfins Yesterday #20
President Trump's staggering record of uncharged crimes republianmushroom 20 hrs ago #37
K & R SunSeeker 13 hrs ago #45
Yes, I remember Meowmee 13 hrs ago #46
That Alfa Bank story was througly debunked in 2016 ... TomWilm 8 hrs ago #50
Alwayys said: SayItLoud 6 hrs ago #52
All those retired somnolent politicians and nobody interrogated Trump when he was right there. Tetrachloride 4 hrs ago #54
Yup. We have a big problem Joinfortmill 4 hrs ago #55

Irish_Dem

(60,612 posts)
1. The greatest crime in US history was covered up but a large number of people,
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 12:50 PM
Yesterday

most of them in the US government. All three branches have covered up for Trump
and given him the freedom to commit even more crimes.

It is totally sickening. And the cover up and enabling continues to this day and will continue
for a very long time.

gab13by13

(25,564 posts)
3. Jack Smith made the statement
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 01:09 PM
Yesterday

that he has proof why Trump stole classified documents and I have only heard that mentioned 1 time on Nicolle Wallace's show.

One news anchor talked about Jack Smith having proof about why Trump stole classified documents. That should be front page headlines on every news outlet.

Jack Smith knows why Trump stole the documents. I feel the need to repeat this over and over again.

I used to believe that Garland was just afraid of Trump but I now believe he is complicit. I believe we will never see Jack Smith's classified documents report, maybe won't even see the insurrection report.

Time is running out, I have been saying that for 4 years now.

Irish_Dem

(60,612 posts)
12. It is not hard to figure why and what Trump stole.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 02:53 PM
Yesterday

I posted this some time ago as soon as I read that he stole classified documents.

If you look at Trump's psych profile it is clear his motives.
He is a narcissist and sociopath.

He will steal documents which will make him money.
Will give him power.
Will make him look good, bragging rights.
Dirt on his friends and enemies to humiliate them or black mail them.

Roy Cohen taught him how to bug the rooms of his enemies.

I am assuming Trump had the CIA dig up dirt on US and world leaders.
He has these reports.
Classified military info he can sell.

Jared did not get $2B for his good looks and personalty.

MadameButterfly

(2,096 posts)
30. All of the above but Putin might have just blackmailed him
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 07:40 PM
21 hrs ago

straight out. He might have to do Putin's bidding whether he likes it or not.
Hard to know if he does it enthusiastically or begrudgingly. I'm guessing the former, or has convinced himself he likes it because he can't face being owned.

Irish_Dem

(60,612 posts)
32. This may have been part of it yes.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 07:47 PM
21 hrs ago

But all of it, no.

Trump has his own psychopathic agenda in addition to services he had to render to Putin.
And he figured if Putin could do it, so could he.

Trump was enthusiastic about it in some cases.
Remember he was at a dinner at MAL and he says he accidentally found some paperwork
which made a high ranking military officer Trump hated look bad?
Trump loved that little entertainment and ego booster.

MadameButterfly

(2,096 posts)
34. Agreed. As I said, all of the above. However I want to know what Jack Smith
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 07:55 PM
21 hrs ago

has focussed on. I suspect he will have gotten to the heart of the matter.

I expect Trump will go down in history as America's worst spy exponentially--if these documents are made public.

Irish_Dem

(60,612 posts)
36. Yes I think Smith has a lot of evidence.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 08:10 PM
20 hrs ago

I don't know how much he can reveal as much of what Trump stole was classified.
But I assume some of it can be released.

I am fairly certain we will never know the full extent of Trump's crimes.
The damage he did and will do is incalculable.

wnylib

(25,005 posts)
58. Smith was in The Netherlands before he became the Special Counsel.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 12:57 PM
4 hrs ago

It would be prudent for him to return there before January 20. Or go to another safer location for him than the US. Surely he knows that he will be a target for arrest or for physical attack by a faithful MAGA follower or via a covert government order.

I wonder if, as an exile, he would reveal some information publicly.

Irish_Dem

(60,612 posts)
60. I agree, he needs to go back to Europe.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 01:12 PM
3 hrs ago

He is in grave danger now in the US.

No, I do not think he will ever reveal any information.
Probably not ethical and will increase his risk level greatly.

If he is smart he will go back to Europe asap and keep his mouth shut.

DENVERPOPS

(10,301 posts)
41. Since when
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 11:41 PM
17 hrs ago

did the word sociopath get substituted for PSYCHOPATH.?????????

Same with grifter, rather than Treasonous Thief...........

Wiz Imp

(2,619 posts)
22. I had not heard that, but I would question the validity of the statement without evidence.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 03:52 PM
Yesterday

How would this person know that "he has proof why Trump stole classified documents"? Smith's office didn't engage in leaking of information so how would anyone know what they did and didn't have proof of?

MadameButterfly

(2,096 posts)
31. Jack Smith himself said it.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 07:45 PM
21 hrs ago

I'm taking him at his word. He just compiled evidence for a court case to prove it to the public.
The evidence exists, but it being suppressed.
Smith is trying his hardest to get it out. (Short of doing a Daniel Ellsberg, but I expect he wants to stay out of jail, and further, to live. )

Captain Zero

(7,606 posts)
26. I've always thought so because,
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 06:39 PM
22 hrs ago

1. If there was an audit trail out of the archives and a document never came back.

Or

2.If a COPY of A TS document came back, but not the original, because at one point they were saying some of the documents had colored borders on them, which is the way a copy of a TS document would appear due to embedded security in the paper of an original.

or 3. And similar to 2, what if a copy was recovered from MaraLago, or an original sequence number was totally missing, but later was purchased on the underground or dark web by our Counter Intel, CIA, or one of our allies Intel services ?? Hmmm.

I'm sure chump and his crowd have no idea how these documents can be audited.

DENVERPOPS

(10,301 posts)
42. We should all be watching
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 11:46 PM
17 hrs ago

his ex wife's grave after the 20th, to see if he digs up the coffin, now that he is safe.....

yellow dahlia

(396 posts)
38. If Garland prevents the release of both,
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 10:35 PM
18 hrs ago

or even one...

I believe there are a lot of questions to ask...even more than we are asking now.

If I were a clerk in the office, I would...ooops...key stroke...

Bluetus

(377 posts)
14. In 4 years, did Biden release even one report of any of these activities?
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 03:18 PM
Yesterday

Especially after the SCOTUS decided that a President can never be prosecuted for anything like this, every report on Trump's activities should have been made public. Surely there were many such investigations by the FBI, CIA and others.

The fascists always argue, "The courts should stay out of this because the people will have a chance to be heard in the next election." But that only works if the public KNOWS what is happening. If the DoJ won't or can't do its job, then release everything to the people so we at least have an opportunity to do our job properly.

Irish_Dem

(60,612 posts)
15. Yep. No one wants us to see the raw ugly truth about Trump's many crimes past and present.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 03:22 PM
Yesterday

Last edited Sat Jan 11, 2025, 05:09 PM - Edit history (1)

Most of Trump's crimes are being carefully hidden.

You are exactly correct. It is election rigging and election interference.
No one wants the voters to know the truth of how bad Trump is and how all US institutions failed us.

Bluetus

(377 posts)
23. And when the Dems go along with these cover-ups
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 04:57 PM
Yesterday

it invites the public to say, "They are all the same. They both do it, and one hand washes the other."

I want to believe that is not the case, but if Dems are truly different, we need to be getting that message out there through ACTIONS.

I still vividly remember one day during Trump's term, Pelosi came out of a secret briefing livid about something Trump was doing. But we never found out what that was. It might have been this: https://rollcall.com/2017/01/06/pelosi-russian-hacking-report-is-stunning-in-its-conclusions/

If so, why was that not declassified by Biden so the public could have had an informed basis for voting?

Irish_Dem

(60,612 posts)
24. Dems might say it is highly classified.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 05:11 PM
23 hrs ago

There might be some merit to this. Once we make public everything we know about the Russian rigging of the elections,
it allows Putin to know who is doing the leaking. So our sources dry up, killed.

This might be one reason.

The other reasons why our side stays radio silent about Trump crimes is a total mystery to me.

Bluetus

(377 posts)
25. We have to stop playing with one hand tied behind our back
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 06:24 PM
22 hrs ago

Trump is not inhibited by anything. Instead of dreaming up all the reasons why we can't do something, Dems need to be thinking about how they can expose the treachery of these fascists with the least harm to our national security.

Of course, it becomes a moot point in 9 days, and I think it is safe to say that Biden will do nothing in this area between now and then.

Had we won the election, the legacy of this administration would have been saving the country from fascism and recovering from the pandemic and crash of the economy. But losing the election likely changes Biden's legacy into being Nero fiddling while Rome burned. There were so many things that Biden. Garland, and others could have done (*), but decided on the path of timidity instead.

* especially after SCOTUS declared that the President can never be prosecuted for any action taken while attending to an "official duty". And I remind gentle readers that decision was announced July 1, giving Biden over 6 months to act without any fear of prosecution.

Irish_Dem

(60,612 posts)
27. I know playing nice has lost us our democracy, national security, financial and healthcare well being.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 06:40 PM
22 hrs ago

And we are going to keep playing nice?

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and still getting screwed.

Bluetus

(377 posts)
28. I heard an Interview on Progress/XM this morning.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 07:00 PM
21 hrs ago

I think it was a replay of one of the Zelina programs. She was speaking with a House Rep from Ohio, I believe. And this lady (the rep) was falling all over herself talking about how we needed to keep reaching across the aisle "for the good of the constituents".

OK, maybe some of that is necessary and smart. But that should absolutely not be our message. Americans hate people who don't show any backbone of their own. When you are a Dem with a microphone, every damn word should be about the things WE ARE FIGHTING FOR. There is nothing gained by talking about how eager we are to roll over and play dead.

Honestly, I don't think most of these people have ever even thought about what they actually believe in and will fight for. THAT is why we are losing. People know what Trump believes in, for better or worse. Trump proved once again, a terrible idea beats no idea at all every time.

Irish_Dem

(60,612 posts)
29. For the love of god, making nice is a gd losing strategy.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 07:05 PM
21 hrs ago

I despair. I really do.

Thanks for posting this info.

DENVERPOPS

(10,301 posts)
43. by the time we get four years from now
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 11:50 PM
17 hrs ago

No record will ever exist of anything, and the national archives may get flooded or catch fire.

Then, history can be revised and re-written and put into textbooks and public records.....

Irish_Dem

(60,612 posts)
48. Yes the victors get to write their version of the truth and create a new reality.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 07:30 AM
9 hrs ago

It is a post truth world now.
Facts and reality no longer matter.

Blue_Tires

(57,208 posts)
39. Even without the cover-ups
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 10:42 PM
18 hrs ago

Donnie committing crimes only seems to make him MORE popular to the public... Literally nothing can turn his followers against him

bluestarone

(18,459 posts)
2. Also remember the INTERPETER on that russian phone call?
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 12:55 PM
Yesterday

So much shit un-investigated. (so much!!)

sop

(11,862 posts)
4. The complete, unabridged Starr Report, Independent Counsel Kenneth Starr's investigation of President Bill Clinton,
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 01:30 PM
Yesterday

was published in 1998. "Republican House leaders argued for the report's immediate release via the internet, while Democrats appealed for delay in order to allow the White House time to prepare a response. After two days of debate, on September 11, the House voted 363–63 to release the report to the public."

It's staggering how many of Trump's crimes have been covered up at the highest levels, and largely ignored by corporate media even after being revealed. I cannot think of a single public figure who has gotten away with as many crimes as Trump has. There is no historical precedent for this level of impunity. I just can't make sense of it.

gab13by13

(25,564 posts)
5. In that same train of thought
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 01:40 PM
Yesterday

The Smith reports were given to Trump and his lawyers, WTF. Once they saw what Smith had they fought like hell to bury it.

Why give those reports to Trump?

DENVERPOPS

(10,301 posts)
44. I hope Jack Smith kept a copy
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 11:54 PM
17 hrs ago

with someone safe as an insurance policy, to be released to all the Media in the world, should Smith fall out of a "sixth story window".......

DENVERPOPS

(10,301 posts)
59. Much Like
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 01:02 PM
3 hrs ago

Heidi Fleiss (sp?) and Ghislaine (sp?) You can bet that is their "ace up their sleeves"

Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

Bernardo de La Paz

(51,706 posts)
9. I think that was semi-independently or whatever looked into and found lacking.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 02:35 PM
Yesterday

I don't think anyone uncovered any coding in messages or even in timing of messages. But it still remains murky and the strange behaviour not explained, certainly not to my satisfaction.

JHB

(37,495 posts)
11. Question: Could President Biden release any of the reports that aren't released by other means?
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 02:51 PM
Yesterday

The Mar-a-Lago documents case findings, the unredacted Muller report, and even the J6 report if Garland waffles on releasing it.

Yes, he's not supposed to do things like that, and up until a certain conveniently-decided SC ruling, would not be possible, but now? Hey, presidential immunity, baybee!

MadameButterfly

(2,096 posts)
33. He needs to do it under immunity
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 07:51 PM
21 hrs ago

A big risk to him but the country depends on it. Someone has to leak these documents and he is the only one who could argue he is above the law.
And Trump may go after him whether he does it or not.

Botany

(72,785 posts)
13. New Yorker: "Was There a Connection Between a Russian Bank and the Trump Campaign?"
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 03:09 PM
Yesterday

The FBI was well aware of this but instead put out misinformation about HRC and
her emails as the top agent working to look into any connections between Trump

But the FBI agent in NYC in charge of looking into Trump and Russia
was being paid off by Vlad Putin via Oleg Dirapaska. His name is
McGonigal and very quickly he pled guilty and went to Federal Prison real quick and
his name is never spoken about ever. McGonigal also got the NY Times to write misleading
shit about Trump, Russia, and HRC too.

Comey knowingly rat fucked the Clinton campaign when he was fully aware of Alfa Bank
and Trump.


https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/15/was-there-a-connection-between-a-russian-bank-and-the-trump-campaign

Btw want to explain the last election? Musk, the GRU, and the Crypto boys.

yellow dahlia

(396 posts)
40. Not enough is heard about McGonigle.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 10:48 PM
18 hrs ago

The story about McGonigle came out at the same time as another blockbuster news story, so the McGonigle info got pushed to the shadows.

Trying to remember - was it the same time as the FBI search warrant at MAL? There have been so many consequential news stories the past few years. So much to remember.

spudspud

(569 posts)
16. This country has shown at all levels Trump can do whatever he wants.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 03:37 PM
Yesterday

He doesn't need secret back lines or anything. Hell hold a press conference while calling up Pootie for a pow wow and I'm sure MSM will laud his statesmanship. Average dumbass American will call him a peacemaker. We live in Idiocracy now.

rubbersole

(8,783 posts)
17. And don't forget Deutsche Bank's loans to bankrupt tsf...
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 03:39 PM
Yesterday

...when nobody would lend to him. Justice Kennedy's son was in charge of commercial loans. When this was exposed both Kennedys resigned their positions. Kavanaugh! Leonard Leo had an orgasim.

johnnyfins

(1,532 posts)
20. Question:
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 03:45 PM
Yesterday

Was TSF used by the US at any point to gather intel from Russia? That answer may be the reason our gov keeps covering for him.

republianmushroom

(18,369 posts)
37. President Trump's staggering record of uncharged crimes
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 08:40 PM
20 hrs ago

Updated May 16, 2023
As of April 2023, Donald Trump has been credibly accused of committing at least 56 criminal offenses since he launched his campaign for president in 2015. That total only reflects allegations relating to his time in or running for office and omits, for instance, Trump’s criminal exposure for fraudulent business dealings.

https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-reports/president-trumps-staggering-record-of-uncharged-crimes/#table

Where was Merrick the Meek and the DOJ ?

TomWilm

(1,867 posts)
50. That Alfa Bank story was througly debunked in 2016 ...
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 08:20 AM
8 hrs ago

... there is plentiful of better and more reliable ways to attack Trump.

The "trump-email.com" was not controlled by Trump:
"... the domain was setup and controlled by Cendyn, a company that does marketing/promotions for hotels, including many of Trump's hotels. Cendyn outsources the email portions of its campaigns to a company called Listrak, which actually owns/operates the physical server in a data center in Philidelphia. ..."

To claim this is a secret way for communication is just ridiculous, since there are so many easier ones. Both entities are clearly shouting their names - why write "trump-email.com" on all your so-called confidential communication?

Please find another rumor to revive than this!

Tetrachloride

(8,514 posts)
54. All those retired somnolent politicians and nobody interrogated Trump when he was right there.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 12:24 PM
4 hrs ago

TV cameras -- everything.

Talk about sitting on one's hands

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