most of them in the US government. All three branches have covered up for Trump
and given him the freedom to commit even more crimes.

It is totally sickening. And the cover up and enabling continues to this day and will continue
for a very long time.

that he has proof why Trump stole classified documents and I have only heard that mentioned 1 time on Nicolle Wallace's show.

One news anchor talked about Jack Smith having proof about why Trump stole classified documents. That should be front page headlines on every news outlet.

Jack Smith knows why Trump stole the documents. I feel the need to repeat this over and over again.

I used to believe that Garland was just afraid of Trump but I now believe he is complicit. I believe we will never see Jack Smith's classified documents report, maybe won't even see the insurrection report.

Time is running out, I have been saying that for 4 years now.

I posted this some time ago as soon as I read that he stole classified documents.

If you look at Trump's psych profile it is clear his motives.
He is a narcissist and sociopath.

He will steal documents which will make him money.
Will give him power.
Will make him look good, bragging rights.
Dirt on his friends and enemies to humiliate them or black mail them.

Roy Cohen taught him how to bug the rooms of his enemies.

I am assuming Trump had the CIA dig up dirt on US and world leaders.
He has these reports.
Classified military info he can sell.

Jared did not get $2B for his good looks and personalty.

straight out. He might have to do Putin's bidding whether he likes it or not.
Hard to know if he does it enthusiastically or begrudgingly. I'm guessing the former, or has convinced himself he likes it because he can't face being owned.

But all of it, no.

Trump has his own psychopathic agenda in addition to services he had to render to Putin.
And he figured if Putin could do it, so could he.

Trump was enthusiastic about it in some cases.
Remember he was at a dinner at MAL and he says he accidentally found some paperwork
which made a high ranking military officer Trump hated look bad?
Trump loved that little entertainment and ego booster.

has focussed on. I suspect he will have gotten to the heart of the matter.

I expect Trump will go down in history as America's worst spy exponentially--if these documents are made public.

I don't know how much he can reveal as much of what Trump stole was classified.
But I assume some of it can be released.

I am fairly certain we will never know the full extent of Trump's crimes.
The damage he did and will do is incalculable.

It would be prudent for him to return there before January 20. Or go to another safer location for him than the US. Surely he knows that he will be a target for arrest or for physical attack by a faithful MAGA follower or via a covert government order.

I wonder if, as an exile, he would reveal some information publicly.

He is in grave danger now in the US.

No, I do not think he will ever reveal any information.
Probably not ethical and will increase his risk level greatly.

If he is smart he will go back to Europe asap and keep his mouth shut.

and giving away state secrets is it ethical NOT to reveal the information?

Maybe he'll stow it away somewhere to come out after his death.

Once you get into the deep weeds of the US spy network, other lives may be in danger.
Other assets, what areas have been infiltrated, how the information is gathered, etc.
Places others in danger.

It apparently is already known that Trump caused the death and disappearance of CIA and Military assets.
Soon after he came to office last time. It is said one high level US spy in the Kremlin had to be extracted
in a hurry, Trump had compromised that person.

I don't know how you start releasing this info without putting other lives in danger.

Frankly Trump should be hung as a traitor, or be in supermax for life.

was never widely publicized. There is a lot that can never be made public. But Smith claims he can go to trial on this case using info. that is not top secret. There should be enough proof with information that can be made public.

did the word sociopath get substituted for PSYCHOPATH.?????????

Same with grifter, rather than Treasonous Thief...........

gets scrubbed!

How would this person know that "he has proof why Trump stole classified documents"? Smith's office didn't engage in leaking of information so how would anyone know what they did and didn't have proof of?

I'm taking him at his word. He just compiled evidence for a court case to prove it to the public.
The evidence exists, but it being suppressed.
Smith is trying his hardest to get it out. (Short of doing a Daniel Ellsberg, but I expect he wants to stay out of jail, and further, to live. )

Sorry I don't take notes or save links to everything I hear. I heard this multiple times on evening MSNBC (I don't listen to daytime).

Just as I thought. I remain skeptical without actual evidence.

It was well known that he said it. You just missed it. I trust the numerous reporters who reported this on legitimate shows. Why should I be influenced by that fact that you didn't hear anything about it? I did. Numerous times. Is there anyone reporting reliably that he didn't say it and it was all made up? If so, do you have the links? (You have links for every comment you make on DU, correct?)

If it was reported by numerous reporters on legitimate shows, then there surely would be news stories reporting that. But there isn't. I wonder why? I know why. Because he never said it. The closest thing reported was that it was hinted at it in a legal filing that they would show why he did at trial but that is waaay different than a supposed public statement that he had proof.

These are the first 2 hits in a 30 second search.

https://www.salon.com/2023/10/11/new-jack-smith-filing-suggests-doj-identified-trumps-motive-in-classified-docs-case-analysis/

quote from above articel
“That the classified materials at issue in this case were taken from the White House and retained at Mar-a-Lago is not in dispute,” the filing said, adding that “what is in dispute is how that occurred, why it occurred, what Trump knew, and what Trump intended in retaining them — all issues that the Government will prove at trial primarily with unclassified evidence.”

https://www.yahoo.com/news/jack-smith-hints-reason-trump-213211792.html

"It hints that clarity is on the horizon: “why it occurred, what Trump knew, and what Trump intended” are all issues supposedly provable by the evidence."

Those articles refer to a legal filing, not a public statement by Jack Smith.

My original replay was to this statement:
"Jack Smith made the statement that he has proof why Trump stole classified documents"

This implies he made a public statement. There is no evidence that ever occurred. A reference in a legal filing is not a public statement and there is no proof that Jack Smith himself even wrote that legal filing - we only know it was written by someone on the team.

Now, I'm sure you'll say I'm being overly picky, but I'm sorry, when I'm told somebody made a statement, I expect there to be proof that this person actually said those things. That's what I originally stated I was skeptical of, and I've proven myself right to be skeptical.

Do you think I and the other poster are spreading disinformation?

The reports I heard on MSNBC claimed Jack Smith "said" he knew why Trump took the documents and that he had proof. They didn't say he made a public statement. I never said he made a public statement. I don't care if he made the statement in public, only that journalists with a reputation for truth and checking their sources reported it.

The filiings from Jack Smith's office--signed by Jack Smith--do represent Jack Smith. There are no rogues stating things that Smith doesn't stand behind in his filings. Smith doesn't make a lot of public statements, he wouldn't do something that could threaten his case. He usually makes his points in legal filings and in the courtroom. So it's possible when MSNBC claimed Smith "said" these things, they meant he "said" them in a legal document.

You were originally concerned as to whether he really had proof. That is a point that matters.
I don't think anyone but you cares about the distinction you are now making.

You actually just made my point for me. If you don't agree with my viewpoint, Fine. But I stand by it. And yes, I believe you are spreading misinformation (not disinformation).

(Oh, and don't speak for me about what I was originally concerned about - you are wrong).

(One more thing, saying you intend to prove something doesn't mean you have actual proof. That is typical language used in all legal cases. If saying you intend to prove something in court meant you have actual proof, then the prosecution should theoretically never lose a single court case. I can say I intend to prove the earth is flat. That's doesn't mean I have actual proof.)

It turns out I was right, no matter how much you would like me to have been wrong. And sorry, but I believe the original post I responded was misinformation (which, for the record means it implied something was true that wasn't true but was done UNINTENTIONALLY - that's why I changed YOUR word from disinformation because I knew none of it was intentional). For some reason, you decided that you wanted to argue that I was wrong even though all the evidence proved I was right. Jack Smith never made the statement he was said to have made. I never ascribed any bad motives to you, just that you were arguing against a point I wasn't even trying to make.

I'm done. I've wasted way too much time on this. You go on believing what you want to believe. As I said before. I made my point and stand by it.

1. If there was an audit trail out of the archives and a document never came back.

Or

2.If a COPY of A TS document came back, but not the original, because at one point they were saying some of the documents had colored borders on them, which is the way a copy of a TS document would appear due to embedded security in the paper of an original.

or 3. And similar to 2, what if a copy was recovered from MaraLago, or an original sequence number was totally missing, but later was purchased on the underground or dark web by our Counter Intel, CIA, or one of our allies Intel services ?? Hmmm.

I'm sure chump and his crowd have no idea how these documents can be audited.

his ex wife's grave after the 20th, to see if he digs up the coffin, now that he is safe.....

or even one...

I believe there are a lot of questions to ask...even more than we are asking now.

If I were a clerk in the office, I would...ooops...key stroke...

Bet my house on it

Especially after the SCOTUS decided that a President can never be prosecuted for anything like this, every report on Trump's activities should have been made public. Surely there were many such investigations by the FBI, CIA and others.

The fascists always argue, "The courts should stay out of this because the people will have a chance to be heard in the next election." But that only works if the public KNOWS what is happening. If the DoJ won't or can't do its job, then release everything to the people so we at least have an opportunity to do our job properly.

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Most of Trump's crimes are being carefully hidden.

You are exactly correct. It is election rigging and election interference.
No one wants the voters to know the truth of how bad Trump is and how all US institutions failed us.

it invites the public to say, "They are all the same. They both do it, and one hand washes the other."

I want to believe that is not the case, but if Dems are truly different, we need to be getting that message out there through ACTIONS.

I still vividly remember one day during Trump's term, Pelosi came out of a secret briefing livid about something Trump was doing. But we never found out what that was. It might have been this: https://rollcall.com/2017/01/06/pelosi-russian-hacking-report-is-stunning-in-its-conclusions/

If so, why was that not declassified by Biden so the public could have had an informed basis for voting?

There might be some merit to this. Once we make public everything we know about the Russian rigging of the elections,
it allows Putin to know who is doing the leaking. So our sources dry up, killed.

This might be one reason.

The other reasons why our side stays radio silent about Trump crimes is a total mystery to me.

Trump is not inhibited by anything. Instead of dreaming up all the reasons why we can't do something, Dems need to be thinking about how they can expose the treachery of these fascists with the least harm to our national security.

Of course, it becomes a moot point in 9 days, and I think it is safe to say that Biden will do nothing in this area between now and then.

Had we won the election, the legacy of this administration would have been saving the country from fascism and recovering from the pandemic and crash of the economy. But losing the election likely changes Biden's legacy into being Nero fiddling while Rome burned. There were so many things that Biden. Garland, and others could have done (*), but decided on the path of timidity instead.

* especially after SCOTUS declared that the President can never be prosecuted for any action taken while attending to an "official duty". And I remind gentle readers that decision was announced July 1, giving Biden over 6 months to act without any fear of prosecution.

And we are going to keep playing nice?

Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and still getting screwed.

I think it was a replay of one of the Zelina programs. She was speaking with a House Rep from Ohio, I believe. And this lady (the rep) was falling all over herself talking about how we needed to keep reaching across the aisle "for the good of the constituents".

OK, maybe some of that is necessary and smart. But that should absolutely not be our message. Americans hate people who don't show any backbone of their own. When you are a Dem with a microphone, every damn word should be about the things WE ARE FIGHTING FOR. There is nothing gained by talking about how eager we are to roll over and play dead.

Honestly, I don't think most of these people have ever even thought about what they actually believe in and will fight for. THAT is why we are losing. People know what Trump believes in, for better or worse. Trump proved once again, a terrible idea beats no idea at all every time.

I despair. I really do.

Thanks for posting this info.

No record will ever exist of anything, and the national archives may get flooded or catch fire.

Then, history can be revised and re-written and put into textbooks and public records.....

It is a post truth world now.
Facts and reality no longer matter.

Donnie committing crimes only seems to make him MORE popular to the public... Literally nothing can turn his followers against him

So much shit un-investigated. (so much!!)

was published in 1998. "Republican House leaders argued for the report's immediate release via the internet, while Democrats appealed for delay in order to allow the White House time to prepare a response. After two days of debate, on September 11, the House voted 363–63 to release the report to the public."

It's staggering how many of Trump's crimes have been covered up at the highest levels, and largely ignored by corporate media even after being revealed. I cannot think of a single public figure who has gotten away with as many crimes as Trump has. There is no historical precedent for this level of impunity. I just can't make sense of it.

The Smith reports were given to Trump and his lawyers, WTF. Once they saw what Smith had they fought like hell to bury it.

Why give those reports to Trump?

with someone safe as an insurance policy, to be released to all the Media in the world, should Smith fall out of a "sixth story window".......

That's my belief.

Heidi Fleiss (sp?) and Ghislaine (sp?) You can bet that is their "ace up their sleeves"

Hopefully we will see the J6 report on Monday.

Just Google Deadline Whitehouse

The Mar-a-Lago documents case findings, the unredacted Muller report, and even the J6 report if Garland waffles on releasing it.

Yes, he's not supposed to do things like that, and up until a certain conveniently-decided SC ruling, would not be possible, but now? Hey, presidential immunity, baybee!

A big risk to him but the country depends on it. Someone has to leak these documents and he is the only one who could argue he is above the law.
And Trump may go after him whether he does it or not.

The FBI was well aware of this but instead put out misinformation about HRC and
her emails as the top agent working to look into any connections between Trump

But the FBI agent in NYC in charge of looking into Trump and Russia
was being paid off by Vlad Putin via Oleg Dirapaska. His name is
McGonigal and very quickly he pled guilty and went to Federal Prison real quick and
his name is never spoken about ever. McGonigal also got the NY Times to write misleading
shit about Trump, Russia, and HRC too.

Comey knowingly rat fucked the Clinton campaign when he was fully aware of Alfa Bank
and Trump.


https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/10/15/was-there-a-connection-between-a-russian-bank-and-the-trump-campaign

Btw want to explain the last election? Musk, the GRU, and the Crypto boys.

The story about McGonigle came out at the same time as another blockbuster news story, so the McGonigle info got pushed to the shadows.

Trying to remember - was it the same time as the FBI search warrant at MAL? There have been so many consequential news stories the past few years. So much to remember.

He doesn't need secret back lines or anything. Hell hold a press conference while calling up Pootie for a pow wow and I'm sure MSM will laud his statesmanship. Average dumbass American will call him a peacemaker. We live in Idiocracy now.

...when nobody would lend to him. Justice Kennedy's son was in charge of commercial loans. When this was exposed both Kennedys resigned their positions. Kavanaugh! Leonard Leo had an orgasim.

Was TSF used by the US at any point to gather intel from Russia? That answer may be the reason our gov keeps covering for him.

Updated May 16, 2023
As of April 2023, Donald Trump has been credibly accused of committing at least 56 criminal offenses since he launched his campaign for president in 2015. That total only reflects allegations relating to his time in or running for office and omits, for instance, Trump’s criminal exposure for fraudulent business dealings.

https://www.citizensforethics.org/reports-investigations/crew-reports/president-trumps-staggering-record-of-uncharged-crimes/#table

Where was Merrick the Meek and the DOJ ?

It is all a disgrace 😣

... there is plentiful of better and more reliable ways to attack Trump.

The "trump-email.com" was not controlled by Trump:
"... the domain was setup and controlled by Cendyn, a company that does marketing/promotions for hotels, including many of Trump's hotels. Cendyn outsources the email portions of its campaigns to a company called Listrak, which actually owns/operates the physical server in a data center in Philidelphia. ..."

To claim this is a secret way for communication is just ridiculous, since there are so many easier ones. Both entities are clearly shouting their names - why write "trump-email.com" on all your so-called confidential communication?

Please find another rumor to revive than this!

What we don't know really scares the crap outta me.

TV cameras -- everything.

Talk about sitting on one's hands