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Kid Berwyn

(18,586 posts)
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 10:43 AM Yesterday

L.A. is on fire and Big Oil are the Arsonists.

Facts and analysis to shut up the MAGA efforts to deflect culpability on Democrats and DEI. In other words, the Truth.



Los Angeles is on fire and big oil are the arsonists

Every barrel of oil, every cubic meter of gas, and every ton of coal burned brings us closer to environmental catastrophe


by Tzeporah Berman
The Guardian / Opinion, January 11, 2025

Excerpt...

These powerful interests are ignoring what is fanning wildfire flames – fossil fuel driven climate change – and trying to deflect attention elsewhere. This is not surprising. Denying science and promoting false narratives squarely falls within the playbook of the fossil fuel industry and its proponents. Take for example, Trump calling climate change a hoax and once again threatening to withdraw the US from the Paris agreement.

Oil, gas and coal companies have been lying to us for decades. A 2015 investigation by Inside Climate News revealed that ExxonMobil’s own scientists knew as early as the 1970s that burning fossil fuels would cause global warming and increase the likelihood of extreme weather events. Instead of pivoting toward cleaner energy solutions, Exxon and other major players funded misinformation campaigns to sow doubt about climate science, delaying action and worsening the crisis.

California is part of a growing number of states and local governments challenging these lies through litigation. The legal suits against six oil companies and the American Petroleum Institute accuse them of deceiving the public regarding the connection between fossil fuels and climate crisis and profiting from that deception. The aim of the litigation is to redirect those profits into funds to address the damage of climate crisis on California. The litigation is still underway.

Snip...

The California governor Gavin Newsom is one of a small yet growing number of political leaders around the globe calling out fossil fuels for their role in climate crisis and generating health and environmental risks. In fact he has called oil, gas and coal “the polluting heart of the climate crisis” and has enacted new laws to limit their expansion and phase them out. Cities across California are joining him. Los Angeles, which has oil production within its jurisdiction, has banned new oil and gas drilling and committed to phasing out the use of coal and gas in its infrastructure among other efforts.

These leaders recognize they cannot go it alone. That international coordination is needed to hold oil and gas companies accountable and to manage a fair shift away from oil, gas and coal with no community, work or country left behind. That’s why the state of California, the city of Los Angeles, Richmond and many other communities where fossil fuel extraction is taking place have joined other states and cities around the world, as well as 14 countries, in calling for a Fossil Fuel Non-Proliferation Treaty

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https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2025/jan/11/los-angeles-fire-fossil-fuel-big-oil

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L.A. is on fire and Big Oil are the Arsonists. (Original Post) Kid Berwyn Yesterday OP
TY! GreenWave Yesterday #1
You are most welcome! Kid Berwyn Yesterday #6
The rich and well connected are allowed to commit as many crimes as they want. Irish_Dem Yesterday #2
Looks like the only one left at the end will be Elon Musk. Kid Berwyn Yesterday #7
I don't know if Musk of capable of learning that lesson or not. Irish_Dem Yesterday #8
Intoxicated and willfully ignorant is no way to go through billions. Kid Berwyn Yesterday #10
Psychopaths have taken over the world. Irish_Dem Yesterday #13
Excellent post, Thank You! Think. Again. Yesterday #3
Y.A.M.W.! Toward that happy day: 2 good sources to share... Kid Berwyn Yesterday #9
Thank you! Think. Again. Yesterday #16
2024 first year moondust Yesterday #4
Truly Shocking News Kid Berwyn Yesterday #12
The reality is there need to be serious changes in people's lifestyle JI7 Yesterday #5
Agree -- we need to change. Yet when we vote for climate action... Kid Berwyn Yesterday #15
This is too important to just do victim-blaming... Think. Again. Yesterday #17
They have enjoyed unfettered profits for decades, built on destroying the atmosphere. Mr. Sparkle Yesterday #11
Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse is giving it his best. Kid Berwyn Yesterday #18
It's going to be a whole new dimension... 2naSalit Yesterday #14
Nightmare Scenario...contrast with The Getty Villa... Kid Berwyn Yesterday #19
An example of irony and/or synchronicity and/or an associative universe... Kid Berwyn 5 hrs ago #21
Wow, that's an amazing piece flamingdem 5 hrs ago #23
There's no conceivable way any current fires are getting near those areas hardluck 21 hrs ago #20
Truth! No wonder the maga bots are going hard against the dems flamingdem 5 hrs ago #22
Exactly! Oil-soaked Corporate McPravda isn't going to tell that story. Kid Berwyn 4 hrs ago #24

Kid Berwyn

(18,586 posts)
6. You are most welcome!
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 11:34 AM
Yesterday

The tragic L.A. fires remind us how fragile our world is. We need to know the facts, not just to assign blame, but to figure out how to solve the problem.

When it comes to climate change, them that broke it should not just own it, they need to fix it. Pols and pundits needn't worry. Big Oil and its owners have the money.

Irish_Dem

(60,612 posts)
2. The rich and well connected are allowed to commit as many crimes as they want.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 10:49 AM
Yesterday

Because making large sums of money and having power are the only things that matter
in a capitalist society. One taken over by ruthless, greedy psychopaths.

Kid Berwyn

(18,586 posts)
7. Looks like the only one left at the end will be Elon Musk.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 11:43 AM
Yesterday

Maybe after buying planet, cleaning out his rival billionaires, and stripping society of progress, culture and kindness, he'll find there really isn't any point to owning all the stuff in the world. Then, he might look around and see that maybe his priorities weren't all that important.

In the meantime, we are gonna have to learn to live and work together. Concepts discussed in DEI programs.

Irish_Dem

(60,612 posts)
8. I don't know if Musk of capable of learning that lesson or not.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 11:48 AM
Yesterday

The billionaires have destroyed the planet and looking like they want to kill as many humans as they can.
And inflict suffering and pain.

They insist on believing they are immune from all of it.
They have amassed so much wealth they no longer need to sell their cheap crap to us
or steal the world's resources.

And they will have robot servants and lackeys.

Many of the billionaires have no social skills and don't really like interacting with people.
And care only about wealth and power. Humans are of no value to them.

Will they miss us when we are all gone?
Doubtful.

Kid Berwyn

(18,586 posts)
10. Intoxicated and willfully ignorant is no way to go through billions.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 12:07 PM
Yesterday

Amazing levels of psychotic and self-righteous sociopathy. What makes me sad is that these are the wealthiest times in human history and legislators ignore what actions the times demand to protect the financial interests of the have-mores.

From DU on Friday, May 13, 2005:



A Planet Full of Hitlers

The world's billionaires, led by the Bush "madministration," are acting like a planet of full of Hitlers. They are willing to invade whatever region in the world has what the world needs most -- oil.

Black gold. Texas tea. Petrodollars.

They figure they have all the money. And basically, apart from a Soros here and a Gates there, they do.

And thus, the world's billionaires and their hounds of the BFEE want to spend it all before they die. And they have the plan and cash on hand to do so.

Consider the Bush agenda: All War. All the Time. Government spending for the MI-Complex, transferring trillions to the wealthy corporate owners, war and all.

These are the likes of the "industrialists" Mussolini, Franco and Hitler so loved.

And like the fascist trifecta, the American fascists of the BFEE have bought all the political power. Don't just think Tom Roach Motel DeLay and Mr. Friskie Frist. Remember Prescott Bush and Averell Harriman and Allen Dulles and Rheinhard Gehlen and Igor Orlov.

What can we do about it? They've bought all the legal power, built law schools for Federalist Society AND Opus Dei judges. Think Bill Eagle Eye Rehnquist and Antonin Fat Tony Scalia.

These turds of the BFEE have worked all the tax breaks and bankrupty laws for the rich. Uncle Sam reverse-Robin Hoods wealth to the top 1-percent of country.

And what do these rich turds who prop up Bush use their tax savings on? They certainly haven't invested it in making America a better place to work or live; they've invested in "off-shoring."

Lots of the tax money goes to buy more vacation homes, yachts and jet planes. Most goes offshore to the Caymans and Switzerland.

And of course they want more without having to pay for the damage to the environment. Farmland depletion in the USA. Rain forest depletion around the globe. Oceans getting acidic. Fish stock depletion. Global air pollution and water shortages.

Well. OK. Maybe a case can be made it's the rich folk's money. They can do what they want. But they should pay their fair share of taxes! After all, the rest of society helps keep them in their position. And its our brothers and sisters in the armed forces who are giving their lives to keep their oil and power and privilege.

Budget red ink means no money for middle class. No money for schools. No money for cities and suburbs and farms. No money for roads. No money for science and R and D. No money for the future.

And the media? What media? What Fairness Doctrine?

They cover up their materialism and venality with all the talk about Faith-based this and Conservative-values that. But the reality is these are sinister wolves and satanic bed-wetting bastards in sheep's clothing we are dealing with.

Wasn't that what Bush really meant when he told Bob Woodward "History? Who cares about history? In a hundred years we'll all be dead."

Just like Hitler. And just like Hitler, Bush (and now his political heir, Barr’s boy Trump) wants to take us all with him.



The super wealthy think they will survive. They have no clue.

Irish_Dem

(60,612 posts)
13. Psychopaths have taken over the world.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 12:21 PM
Yesterday

The US, Russia, China, Saudi, Iran, NK: all ruthless psychopath leaders.
The world's billionaire and oligarchs: all ruthless psychopaths.

They have united to make more money are get even more power.

Oh yes this has been decades in the making and is now widespread and well known.
They don't bother to hide it or make nice with the people any more.

Yes the richest time in human history.
Enough money and resources to go around.

But the greedy want it all.
And do not care how they get it.

Think. Again.

(19,695 posts)
3. Excellent post, Thank You!
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 10:50 AM
Yesterday

Maybe someday, if we keep sharing the truth, it will cut through the paid-for lies that others keep sharing.

Kid Berwyn

(18,586 posts)
9. Y.A.M.W.! Toward that happy day: 2 good sources to share...
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 11:50 AM
Yesterday

...when so much online resembles the worst commercial and manipulative aspects of Corporate McPravda:

Science News

https://www.sciencenews.org/topic/climate

ScienceDaily

https://www.sciencedaily.com/news/earth_climate/climate/

DUers: Please feel free to add.

moondust

(20,563 posts)
4. 2024 first year
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 11:03 AM
Yesterday

to pass 1.5C global warming limit

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cd7575x8yq5o



Similar to the growth in inequality, temperatures started to take off in the 80s and really took off in the 2000s, i.e. GQP led.

Kid Berwyn

(18,586 posts)
12. Truly Shocking News
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 12:14 PM
Yesterday

From 2017, a warning...



What the world will look like 4°C warmer

Will your grandchildren live in cities on Antarctica?

Those on the fact-based side of this argument should realise that continuously bombarding the opposition with doom and gloom is likely to reinforce their resistance to accepting the new paradigm.

This map offers an alternative: lots of misery and disaster, but also plenty of hope and solutions. Not solutions that will lead us back to the climate of a few decades ago – costly and pointless – but solutions that work for the world as it will be, when it will be much warmer than it is now.

Continues...

https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/what-the-world-will-look-like-4degc-warmer/

Personally, I'll fight with all I got to keep it from becoming reality, the smart money is on doom and gloom.

JI7

(91,014 posts)
5. The reality is there need to be serious changes in people's lifestyle
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 11:17 AM
Yesterday

of course we can blame the big businesses but look at how people choose to live and spend also.

Kid Berwyn

(18,586 posts)
15. Agree -- we need to change. Yet when we vote for climate action...
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 01:34 PM
Yesterday

... we get more Big Oil. For example, President Carter tried. Then, the greedheads struck back.

Certain quarters objected when President Jimmy Carter instituted "Human Rights" over economic and business interests as the main objective of U.S. foreign policy. The President understood reliance on Saudi Arabia and oil was a danger to national security. So, he began to move the nation toward "Energy Independence" and renewable, clean sources over dependence on Big Oil for energy. The people who own the oil companies and the governments of oil-rich nations objected.



Three unidentified US hostages speak to the press while their Iranian captors (L and R) watch closely, at the besieged US embassy in Tehran, November 1979. [IRNA-FILES/AFP via Getty Images] Source: https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231104-on-this-day-the-iran-hostage-crisis/



How a Deep State Plot Sank Jimmy Carter

PETER DALE SCOTT
WhoWhatWhy.Org, 11/02/14

The Safari Club was an alliance between national intelligence agencies that wished to compensate for the CIA’s retrenchment in the wake of President Carter’s election and Senator Church’s post-Watergate reforms. As former Saudi intelligence chief Prince Turki bin Faisal once told Georgetown University alumni,

In 1976, after the Watergate matters took place here, your intelligence community was literally tied up by Congress. It could not do anything. It could not send spies, it could not write reports, and it could not pay money. In order to compensate for that, a group of countries got together in the hope of fighting Communism and established what was called the Safari Club. The Safari Club included France, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Morocco, and Iran. (1)


After Carter was elected, the Safari Club allied itself with Richard Helms and Theodore Shackley against the more restrained intelligence policies of Jimmy Carter, according to Joseph Trento. In Trento’s account, the dismissal by William Colby in 1974 of CIA counterintelligence chief James Angleton,

combined with Watergate, is what prompted the Safari Club to start working with [former DCI Richard] Helms [then U.S. Ambassador to Iran] and his most trusted operatives outside of Congressional and even Agency purview. James Angleton said before his death that “Shackley and Helms … began working with outsiders like Adham and Saudi Arabia. The traditional CIA answering to the president was an empty vessel having little more than technical capability.”(2)


Trento adds that “The Safari Club needed a network of banks to finance its intelligence operations. With the official blessing of George Bush as the head of the CIA, Adham transformed . . . the Bank of Credit and Commerce International (BCCI), into a worldwide money-laundering machine.”(3) Trento claims also that the Safari Club then was able to work with some of the controversial CIA operators who had been forced out of the CIA by Turner, and that this was coordinated by Theodore Shackley:

Shackley, who still had ambitions to become DCI, believed that without his many sources and operatives like [Edwin] Wilson, the Safari Club—operating with [former DCI Richard] Helms in charge in Tehran—would be ineffective. . . . Unless Shackley took direct action to complete the privatization of intelligence operations soon, the Safari Club would not have a conduit to [CIA] resources. The solution: create a totally private intelligence network using CIA assets until President Carter could be replaced. (4)


Continues…

https://whowhatwhy.org/politics/government-integrity/the-deep-state-plots-the-1980-defeat-of-jimmy-carter/



In addition to turning down the thermostat and wearing a sweater to stay warm, President Carter installed solar panels on the roof of the White House and ordered the federal highway speed limit of 55, which saved about 150,000 barrels of oil per day and about 4,000 lives per year. President Reagan took the solar panels down and Big Oil really hasn't worried much about getting replaced ever since.

Bottom Line: Big Oil, the Saudi Roils and the global Petrogarchs HATE democracy. They can't live as large as they want if they have to share the loot with other people, including the people who live on top of the "black gold." Evidently, they want to get every last penny, from every last drop, this extracted mineral can yield. Too bad if it kills most of us in the process, the wealthy figure they'll survive.

Think. Again.

(19,695 posts)
17. This is too important to just do victim-blaming...
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 01:56 PM
Yesterday

...the cause of climate collapse is the burning of fossil fuels. We must transition away from CO2 emitting fossil fuel burning, and the fossil fuel industry is spending enormous amounts of money to stop that transition.

Let's keep the blame where it belongs.

Mr. Sparkle

(3,180 posts)
11. They have enjoyed unfettered profits for decades, built on destroying the atmosphere.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 12:12 PM
Yesterday

It's time to make them pay for the damage and cleanup.

Kid Berwyn

(18,586 posts)
18. Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse is giving it his best.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 02:26 PM
Yesterday

The same guy holding Just-us John "Make the Check Out to Jane" Roberts' feet to the fire is working to raise awareness of Big Oil's role in the environmental crisis. It looks like a lonely job in the Senate. Glad Representative Jamie Raskin in the House also understands what We the People are up against.



Unveiling Big Oil's Campaign of Lies

An explosive hearing held by the U.S. Senate Committee on the Budget has unveiled more details of Big Oil’s campaign to block climate action.


by Zanagee Artis
May 10, 2024

The fossil fuel industry has never been a part of the solution to the climate crisis, and new documents uncovered by a congressional investigation spanning the last two years make that abundantly clear. On the contrary, Big Oil is actively fighting to maintain fossil fuels for decades to come. The United States Senate Committee on Budget recently held a hearing on Denial, Disinformation, and Doublespeak: Big Oil’s Evolving Efforts to Avoid Accountability for Climate Change.

Ahead of the hearing, the committee published a joint bicameral congressional staff report detailing the depth of the fossil fuel industry’s deception and campaigns to block climate action. Not only has the fossil fuel industry known about the causal relationship of greenhouse gases and climate change since at least 1959, the industry has fought to block the transition from fossil fuels to renewable energy the whole time. For more than 60 years, the fossil fuel industry has chosen profit and shareholder value over people’s lives. It is time for Big Oil accountability, and this joint investigation by the Senate Budget Committee and House Oversight Committee is just the beginning. Budget Committee Chairman Sheldon Whitehouse of Rhode Island said, “That’s what this hearing is about, because what is protecting the massive fossil fuel subsidies and what is preventing policies to reduce the danger is the same thing: the fossil fuel industry itself.” Here is a look at some key findings from the investigation:

Big Oil knew

In 1959, nuclear scientist Edward Teller explained to a symposium hosted by the American Petroleum Institute that carbon dioxide emissions from burning oil would melt ice caps and raise sea levels. The fossil fuel industry later engaged in climate science research themselves, and in 1979 Exxon admitted that, “[t]he present trend of fossil fuel consumption will cause dramatic environmental effects before the year 2050.” In the ensuing years, Exxon, its peers, and a collection of industry-funded front groups have waged marketing and lobbying campaigns to convince lawmakers and the public that the science behind climate change is not certain.

Fossil fuel industry doublespeak

Multiple companies, including BP, Exxon, Chevron, and ConocoPhillips, have been actively deceiving the public about their commitment to achieving the goals of the Paris Climate Agreement and net zero emissions by 2050. Internal documents produced to the House Oversight Committee reveal that BP went so far as to say that, “No one is committed to anything other than to stay in the game,” the game being the development and production of the fossil fuels that they know are devastating communities and the climate. Earlier this year, BP announced that it would increase oil and gas production from 2024 through 2027.

Continues...

https://www.nrdc.org/bio/zanagee-artis/unveiling-big-oils-campaign-lies

2naSalit

(94,011 posts)
14. It's going to be a whole new dimension...
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 12:22 PM
Yesterday

If that fire gets to refinery werld of LA. Won't be long now. Whittier is the northernmost that O know of at the ARCO refinery. The So Central produce market isn't too far south of Altadena... three more days of hot wind blowing southward.

City of Commerce and other important economic centers coming right up.



Kid Berwyn

(18,586 posts)
19. Nightmare Scenario...contrast with The Getty Villa...
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 02:56 PM
Yesterday

One of the wealthiest parts of the nation, and the money and all the power it brings were not able to protect the people from a calamity wrought by the many needs of our petroleum-based economy and precipitated by an act of nature.





A massive wildfire reached Getty Villa in LA. How the museum protected its collection.

Christopher Cann
USA TODAY, January 8, 2025

As videos and images circulated of flames and smoke from an explosive wildfire approaching the Getty Villa museum in Los Angeles, art lovers worried the facility's world class collection of antiques and ancient artifacts would be burnt to a crisp.

Officials for the museum and education center were quick to dispel those concerns – citing extensive "fire mitigation efforts" they had implemented throughout the year.

Those efforts include clearing brush from the surrounding land, the maintenance of on-site water storage and "state-of-the-art air handling systems," which sealed off museum galleries and library archives from the pluming smoke outside. Another layer of protection: the double-walled construction of the galleries.

The blaze has had only limited impacts to the museum's grounds, which sits off the scenic Pacific Coast Highway in the Pacific Palisades area of Los Angeles. "Some trees and vegetation on site have burned, but no structures are on fire, and staff and the collection remain safe," said a statement released on the facility's social media pages.

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The villa features the museum's collection of Roman and Greek antiquities and also has an outdoor theater that hosts classic and classically inspired theater productions, according to the museum's 2023 fact book. The rest of Getty's collection is housed at the Getty Center in Brentwood, California.

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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2025/01/08/getty-villa-museum-protection-from-pacific-palisades-wildfire/77542145007/



Perhaps we need to take the route of the museum made possible by the philanthropist J. Paul Getty, who, ironically, grew incredibly wealthy through the family oil business. Cost should be secondary when it comes to the safety of our children, nation and planet. No matter what, we should be treating our people like we do the treasures in museums, like the Getty Villa, which used all available resources to protect its collection.

Kid Berwyn

(18,586 posts)
21. An example of irony and/or synchronicity and/or an associative universe...
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 11:39 AM
5 hrs ago

The American artist Edward Ruscha created a most prescient work, "The Los Angeles County Museum of Art on Fire" circa 1966. The masterpiece today is part of the Hirschhorn Museum and Sculpture Garden in Washington, D.C.



Ed Ruscha: About this time that I was painting this picture, I had some oh, maybe personal gripes about the art world in general. And I felt like the museums were not really doing their jobs as far as opening their doors to contemporary art.

I didn’t have a hatred for museums, but maybe, like, I had a healthy distrust for museums. And so I guess part of this painting grew out of that. I didn’t know how this painting would be perceived. The museum actually had a notion to possibly buy that painting, which really surprised me, and then didn’t surprise me so much when they didn’t.

Source: https://www.moma.org/audio/playlist/334/4456

hardluck

(695 posts)
20. There's no conceivable way any current fires are getting near those areas
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 07:35 PM
21 hrs ago

None of the current fires are anywhere close to Whittier, the City of Commerce, or any of the oil refineries near signal hill. Nor does the topography and historical fire data support such a claim.

flamingdem

(39,981 posts)
22. Truth! No wonder the maga bots are going hard against the dems
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 11:41 AM
5 hrs ago

They want to squelch the conversation about climate.

Kid Berwyn

(18,586 posts)
24. Exactly! Oil-soaked Corporate McPravda isn't going to tell that story.
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 12:04 PM
4 hrs ago

"So...it's the Fire Chief's fault...it's the Mayor's fault...it's the Governor's fault..."

Blame anybody but those who actually are at fault -- them that did it and paid to hide what they did.




Fossil Fuel Accountability

Oil, gas, and coal companies share an outsized responsibility for the climate crisis.


Union of Concerned Scientists

Excerpt...

More than 50 years ago, scientists at major fossil fuel companies considered how climate change should factor into decisions about new fossil fuel extraction. Their concerns echoed the latest science of the time, which showed an increasing link between fossil fuels and global warming.

Corporate decision makers didn’t listen. Instead, they chose to downplay and distort the evidence of climate change, engaging in a decades-long campaign against climate action. Their tactics included everything from counterfeit science, to the harassment of scientists, to manufactured uncertainty with no scientific basis.

Even today, industry trade groups and associations spread disinformation on climate change, while corporate lobbyists influence politicians and regulators—all with the financial backing and support of major fossil fuel companies.

Greenwashing

The fossil fuel industry’s role in preventing climate action may come as a surprise to some.

Many leading companies routinely market or brand themselves as being part of the climate solution, while actively working behind the scenes to undermine or limit the scope of climate policies and regulations—a tactic known as “greenwashing.”

But despite their advertisements touting renewable energy, none of the major oil, gas, and coal companies have meaningfully contributed to climate change solutions. They certainly haven’t updated their business plans to reflect climate realities.

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https://www.ucsusa.org/climate/accountability#:~:text=Instead%2C%20they%20chose%20to%20downplay,uncertainty%20with%20no%20scientific%20basis.



UCS reports Big Oil feeds big at the public trough, too, with $37.5 billion in subsidies. Gee. We the People could fix a lot of problems with that kind of money.
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