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mainer

(12,229 posts)
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 06:44 AM Yesterday

Reading UNREDACTED by Christopher Steele: infuriating!

You all know about the Steele dossier, right? What you may not know is the story behind it, and the fact the FBI had it for months and sat on it doing nothing (quashed by an FBI official who was later charged with taking bribes). While Comey chose to kneecap Hillary, he never mentioned to the press that the FBI had a compelling document detailing Trump’s collusion with Putin.

This is a stunning and compulsively readable book that reveals just how corrupt the FBI is. Steele kept trying to warn them, and they repaid him by revealing his Russian sources to the press, resulting in the likely deaths of those sources. By the way, none of the revelations in the document have been disproven.

And be cautious about trusting Michael Cohen. There is SIGINT that does indeed place him in the Czech Republic at the time Steele says he was there. Cohen denies the visit, but his cell phone signal bounced off Czech towers, and there’s more.

John McCain was the only one brave and decent enough to take action. What a tragedy that McCain is dead. Trump’s people made sure that Steele’s reputation would be smeared, but the man knows Russia and its machinations better than anyone.

If you want to feel even more hopeless, you all should read it. It’s horrifying.

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Reading UNREDACTED by Christopher Steele: infuriating! (Original Post) mainer Yesterday OP
. BoRaGard Yesterday #1
Thanks for the lead on the book, mainer. C0RI0LANUS Yesterday #2
I fully agree about Cohen. D23MIURG23 Yesterday #3
Cohen is furious with TSF. Yet he still refuses that he was in the Czech Republic when the allegorical oracle Yesterday #15
No it doesn't. It means Cohen is still hiding things. mainer Yesterday #17
Cohen's been to prison, for Gawd's sake-- in solitary confinement, no less. Wouldn't he have allegorical oracle Yesterday #21
Not if his cell phone was pinging off of a cell tower in Czech Republic during the time he was supossedly there. D23MIURG23 18 hrs ago #24
K&R SheltieLover Yesterday #4
Yeah, that's what I'm after: Feeling even more hopeless. Paladin Yesterday #5
Oh SURE! I want to feel more hopeless! LymphocyteLover Yesterday #6
The FBI is corrupted toward rightwingers and is likely to get even more so LymphocyteLover Yesterday #7
When was the last Democratic FBI director? dlk Yesterday #8
Clarence Kelley was a republican SouthBayDem Yesterday #9
You are correct. dlk Yesterday #10
I'm curious about the claim that.... reACTIONary Yesterday #11
Yes mainer Yesterday #12
That's interesting... reACTIONary Yesterday #13
He describes how he sources info through a long career in intelligence mainer Yesterday #16
SIGINT, HUMINT, and a fair amount of... reACTIONary Yesterday #18
Here is what he wrote: mainer Yesterday #19
Recall seeing a McClatchy reporter on MSNBC, I think, reporting something to that effect. Then it allegorical oracle 21 hrs ago #22
Thanks! That is what I wanted to know.... reACTIONary 21 hrs ago #23
Thx for this. I've secretly (and ashamedly) believed at least some of Steele's report was allegorical oracle Yesterday #14
K&R UTUSN Yesterday #20
Kick Blue_Tires 18 hrs ago #25
I have been paying attention to the stories about McGonigle. yellow dahlia 18 hrs ago #26
I can't escape the presumption that ANYONE involved with trump calimary 17 hrs ago #27

C0RI0LANUS

(2,254 posts)
2. Thanks for the lead on the book, mainer.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 07:33 AM
Yesterday

Here is an archived link to the cell phone allegation for those who don't have Unredacted yet. I recall Cohen didn't testify completely to SDNY either, a requirement to be cooperating witness (CW).

Sources:

https://archive.is/viTsS

https://www.lawfaremedia.org/article/why-did-federal-prosecutors-drop-trump's-hush-money-case

D23MIURG23

(3,106 posts)
3. I fully agree about Cohen.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 08:25 AM
Yesterday

I'd rather have him on our side than Trump's, but he was 100% content to work for Trump until that involved doing time for a fraud scheme. He can say he's repentant, but I think his desire for revenge figures into that more than some genuine stand on principle. We'll see I guess.

allegorical oracle

(3,575 posts)
15. Cohen is furious with TSF. Yet he still refuses that he was in the Czech Republic when the
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 12:21 PM
Yesterday

dossier reports he was. Doesn't that present Steele with a problem?

mainer

(12,229 posts)
17. No it doesn't. It means Cohen is still hiding things.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 01:47 PM
Yesterday

The fact Cohen's cell phone pinged off Czech cell towers, along with other SIGINT evidence, needs to be explained.
It may be that Cohen is pissed off at Trump for having to be the fall guy, and that's why he's turned against him. But there's a link to Russia that still hasn't been fully teased out.

allegorical oracle

(3,575 posts)
21. Cohen's been to prison, for Gawd's sake-- in solitary confinement, no less. Wouldn't he have
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 04:11 PM
Yesterday

given the information up after all that? I believe he would have,.

That one fact doesn't lay waste to the dossier, but it could mean that the Cohen fact might be in error.

D23MIURG23

(3,106 posts)
24. Not if his cell phone was pinging off of a cell tower in Czech Republic during the time he was supossedly there.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 10:56 PM
18 hrs ago

Granted I haven't confirmed that evidence myself, but that is what Steele is supposedly backing his claim up with. If Steele is lying about that then I'm wrong, but I'll take cell phone metadata over a former Trump henchman's word any fucking day of the week.

LymphocyteLover

(7,050 posts)
7. The FBI is corrupted toward rightwingers and is likely to get even more so
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 09:09 AM
Yesterday

The Steele dossier is far more accurate than most people think and it's freaking nauseating how Trumpco were able to dismiss it so easily... and of course everything about king shit is nauseatingly corrupt and he is disturbingly able to manipulate public opinion

dlk

(12,502 posts)
8. When was the last Democratic FBI director?
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 09:24 AM
Yesterday

There’s your answer.

Thomas Pickard a Democrat, was acting director for 71 days in 2001, following Louis Freeh’s resignation.

J. Edgar’s ugly legacy lives on.

SouthBayDem

(32,492 posts)
9. Clarence Kelley was a republican
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 09:31 AM
Yesterday
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarence_M._Kelley

Two Democrats have been FBI directors both on interim basis: James B. Adams for eight days in 1978 and Thomas J. Pickard during the summer of 2001.

dlk

(12,502 posts)
10. You are correct.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 09:35 AM
Yesterday

I wanted to confirm Democratic directors and was provided incorrect information regarding Kelly. Will edit my post. Thank you b

reACTIONary

(6,192 posts)
11. I'm curious about the claim that....
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 10:33 AM
Yesterday
There is SIGINT that does indeed place him in the Czech Republic at the time Steele says he was there. Cohen denies the visit, but his cell phone signal bounced off Czech towers, and there’s more.


Is there evidence of this beyond what was initially reported about five years ago? Or is this just the same claim originally reported by Gordon and Stone of the McClatchy group of newspapers?

When questioned about their reporting by Erik Wemple, Gordon and Stone stated:

We quoted a total of five sources. Our sources cited information that signals from a cell phone owned by Cohen were detected in the vicinity of Prague and that, during that time frame, electronic eavesdropping by an Eastern European intelligence agency picked up a Russian remarking that Cohen was in the Czech capital. Our stories, while sensational, provided only hints — or breadcrumbs — suggesting that Cohen may have taken such a trip in late summer 2016. Without Cohen’s acknowledgement that he made such a trip, that he attended a clandestine meeting and without his description of what was discussed, the Cohen allegations appear to hit a dead end. There’s been no indication that Czech intelligence monitored or was aware of such a meeting, so it’s difficult to see how Special Counsel Robert Mueller could have proved this allegation even with an admission by Mr. Cohen.


Erik Wemple asked Gordon if the reporting team ever knew what was the phone number attached to those alleged cellphone pings. He declined to comment.

Does Unredacted contain any new information other than what was originally reported?

mainer

(12,229 posts)
16. He describes how he sources info through a long career in intelligence
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 12:53 PM
Yesterday

And he clearly has access to SIGINT data as well as HUMINT. He describes how he was asked to compile the dossier, in cooperation with a US-based private intelligence firm working on behalf of Hillary's lawyers (Steele himself didn't know who the client was until later in the process), and how at first he and the FBI worked well together. In fact, the FBI paid him for earlier intelligence work. But the Trump investigation destroyed his relationship with the FBI, and he's still feeling betrayed by certain people there, who then began helping to smear him so that the dossier was completely discredited in the press. He had previously uncovered disturbing payments from Russia to Brexit-aligned people in the UK. Of course, Russia wanted to undermine the EU and NATO.

Steele still stands by his work. But as he said, raw intelligence is usually about 70% accurate. If even 70% of the dossier is true, then Trump truly is in Putin's pocket. And people died because Trump leaked names of CIA assets to the Russians.

But we all know this, don't we? Or at least suspected it.

reACTIONary

(6,192 posts)
18. SIGINT, HUMINT, and a fair amount of...
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 03:08 PM
Yesterday

... RUMINT (RUMINT is Rumor Intelligence)

What I'm interested in, specifically, is the claim that there is cell phone signals bounced off Czech towers that place Cohen in Prague. This was NOT a claim made in the dossier. It was made by two journalists afterwards, not by Steele.

These journalists claim that their sources cited information that signals from a cell phone owned by Cohen were detected in the vicinity of Prague and that, during that time frame, electronic eavesdropping by an Eastern European intelligence agency picked up a Russian remarking that Cohen was in the Czech capital.

What I was wondering is whether the book contains new information that verifies that a cell phone owned by Cohen was detected in Prague. Does Steele confirm, deny, or even mention the alleged cell phone data? After the initial reporting, I never heard anything else about it, so I was surprised you mentioned it in the OP.

mainer

(12,229 posts)
19. Here is what he wrote:
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 03:34 PM
Yesterday

"One of the 2016 dossier memos reported that Cohen allegedly traveled that year to Prague to meet with Kremlin representatives on behalf of the Trump campaign. There has been much debate around this since. We are aware of subsequent intelligence geolocating one of Cohen’s mobile phones in the Czech Republic in August 2016. The McClatchy newspaper group reported in April 2018 that Mueller’s team had evidence that Cohen had entered the Czech Republic in August or early September. And in December 2018 the same McClatchy reporters wrote that Cohen’s phone had “sent signals ricocheting off cell towers in the Prague area in late summer 2016” and that an Eastern European intelligence agency had eavesdropped electronically on a Russian saying that Cohen was in Prague during the relevant time."

allegorical oracle

(3,575 posts)
22. Recall seeing a McClatchy reporter on MSNBC, I think, reporting something to that effect. Then it
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 07:54 PM
21 hrs ago

seemed everything tumbled into dust. But as a former reporter, I believed the reporter -- especially since he went on TV with what he had. That takes nerve. Plus, McClatchy was a well-respected source. There's facts in there, but as with Watergate, we may have to wait years to get the full story. (I'll probably never see that day but I'll ask about it at the Pearly Gates.)

reACTIONary

(6,192 posts)
23. Thanks! That is what I wanted to know....
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 08:19 PM
21 hrs ago

..... I tried to pick up the book at the library, but they don't have it yet.

allegorical oracle

(3,575 posts)
14. Thx for this. I've secretly (and ashamedly) believed at least some of Steele's report was
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 12:14 PM
Yesterday

likely accurate. But to admit that online, anywhere, led to total humiliation. Steele has stuck by his report and I admire that. He doesn't need to -- he could admit mistakes were made, if he believed that.

To learn that at least some percentage of the report was accurate, would make me hopeful.

yellow dahlia

(396 posts)
26. I have been paying attention to the stories about McGonigle.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 11:20 PM
18 hrs ago

and how the NY Office of the FBI had it out for Hilary. The stories have received too little attention.

We put the book on our "to order" list. Thanks.

calimary

(84,796 posts)
27. I can't escape the presumption that ANYONE involved with trump
Sun Jan 12, 2025, 12:00 AM
17 hrs ago

is compromised and not to be trusted. Even if they finally broke away from him, they sure were taken in beforehand.

Even Michael Cohen. Okay, you finally seem to have seen the light, dude, but you were fine with living in his orbit for as long as you did.

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