and incidentally the horrid conditions his own people experienced that he's now subjecting another ethnic group to.

He's not leaving Israel.
You obviously didn't read the article, just read the headline didn't you.

Israel permanently? I certainly didn't.

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it's right there in it and I never said you said he's leaving Israel permanently.

Here, I'll help you out.

the Aushwitz memorial. There's nothing hard to understand about that...to most people.

What's the problem?

Perhaps you can clarify what you meant with that post.

the event in Poland. IMO you didn't like that I called the warmonger what he is, a warmonger would find out what it was like for his own people who were subjected to similarly horrid conditions in WWll that he is imposing on the Gazan people. now.

I often refer to him as Nuttyahoo, so you would be completely wrong about me being bugged because you called him a warmonger.

At this point in time, I'm going to disengage with you on this subject and you have a great weekend.

Maybe BiBi might change his mind and go. You know, to pick up some tips.

is incredibly offensive.

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That's also offensive.

then I don't think you really know anything about the Holocaust

Are the Gazans enduring, and in thousands of cases, dying or not?

Stop avoiding looking at the huge elephant in the room...the continuous bombing and killing in Gaza.

It's pretty obvious that Netanyahu/Likud want the Gazans/Palestinians completelly gone from Gaza and the West Bank. Whether it's by bombing/killing of starvation...which is happening there too now.

is not new or unique to Gaza and it's not anywhere near the Holocaust.

I served in Iraq and we didn't commit war crimes at even close to this scale. This is more like an ethnic cleansing or genocide rather than a traditional war that tries its best to obey international law. Kids in Southern Iraq would wave at us, I doubt kids are waving at Israeli troops.

I know many on this board that would say the entirety of the war was a war crime, and there are certainly incidents during it that are worse than any story I've heard coming out of Gaza. Estimates I've seen are as high as nearly a quarter million Iraqi civilians killed during the war, which dwarfs any estimates out of Gaza, even from the ridiculous numbers from Hamas.

Abu Garaib, Yusufiyah, Haditha, Nisour Square.....we could go on.

And the debate between which war was more justified to begin with wouldn't be much of a discussion.


Plus the kids in Gaza might not be waving because they have been indoctrinated into Hamas since they could roll over.

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but I never said it was. I said that Netanyahu may get an idea of the horror what those WWll victims felt and perhaps understand the vileness of what he's subjecting the Gazans to.

Newsflasn to you: It's OK to feel empathy for human suffering for people other than Isrealis. Try it.

FFS.

I think I need to find another planet to live on, this one is no longer inhabitable.

Two really different places with different vibes.

My impressions:

Auschwitz is a magnificent Holocaust Museum... a place for memories and lost love. The scary things are presented in an educational way... I never felt emotionally threatened at Auschwitz. My anxiety was never triggered.

A couple years later I went to Dachau. Very different experience, It feels dark and heavy... the vibe of the place is so heavy it's uncomfortable. "Bad bad shit" just hangs in the air there... Dachau is disturbing. My anxiety was on edge. I wanted to go.

Would love to hear impressions from others.

my late wife was an Israeli Jew and she didn't want to go anywhere near those nightmare places, with good reason and after her passing, I just never had the desire to visit those hallowed grounds.

Thank you for the observations of those 2 "camps".

I will agree, to some extent, with the other poster. There is a difference between the two places. The main part of Auschwitz is more "sterile". My family and I had tour guides for both places. We went to Dachau first and it was only my family and a private guide. It is a dark place, even though it was very sunny the day we went. I stepped into the grounds and had a panic attack. A quick hit off a vape (which is not allowed, and I got yelled at in German) and a special gummy, and I balanced out. There are some places that to this day I could describe in great detail as if I went yesterday. Dachau was/is the embodiment of hopelessness. Seeing the first gas chamber was jarring and I avoided looking at it as much as I could, so I went into the "stalls" not realizing they were the prototypes of "the showers". There are still fingernail marks in the walls.

Auschwitz was a group tour. What made it so hard was how frivolous some treated the experience, including making "choking sounds" in the gas chambers, feigning being electrocuted by the fence, and acting as if shot on the killing grounds where they lined-up people and shot them. That was more upsetting than the grounds. It was also a dark, dreary day. Some of the people who acted like assholes, broke down in tears as they passed through the mountains of suitcases, glasses, and shoes. I fully admit I was an asshole to one woman who had pretended to be electrocuted when she cried at the shoes and I said in my broken, almost forgotten Italian, "What? You don't find this funny anymore?"

Auschwitz was very large, but it was Birkenau that almost did me in. Standing on the tracks going into the gate, looking at the lone cattle car, and then going up in the guard tower and looking down over the entire camp; I almost passed out.

The comparisons to the Holocaust, especially in regard to action by Israel is so fucking offensive, but it is unsurprising how many on the left don't give two shits. The right is filled with deniers and minimizers, the left with very few of those types, but they do exist. The left is more about USING the Holocaust as a cudgel against Israel and Jews. The PROFOUND ignorance of The Holocaust by many of the left is jarring, and it isn't just gentiles. The Holocaust is going the way of slavery, that is to say, it is used in such a way that the severity of it, the inhumanity of it, is lessened, and even made into a joke.

I can understand why your late wife would not want to go and perhaps why you don't; but, if the opportunity arises, I would recommend it. It is through those visits, those tours, those sights, the memory lives on. Sadly, it needs to live on as a reality, not a weapon.

Thanks.

ETA: I agree it was a good decision for the Poles NOT to think about arresting a JEW on their territory, especially given the reason he would have been there and those who approve, it says something about them too.

it is very poignant.

unrelenting bombs, lack of water, lack of medicine, food, shelter for over decades of occupation.

Probably because they are entitled, violent, land grabbing monsters.

It's not easy being a genocidal warmongerer.

Oh, the heavy burdens of planning and carrying out the killing, maiming and starvation of little children.

And what did he get in return? Attacks on "seven fronts"!

Where is the humanity?

In case it's not clear:

The memorial of the victims of a past genocide welcomes the perpetrator of a current genocide.