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I never want to hear these words from anyone ever again. (Original Post) Ray Bruns Friday OP
Yes it is a total lie. We were brainwashed into believing so much bullshit. Irish_Dem Friday #1
George Carlin.........perfect DENVERPOPS Friday #24
He was way ahead of the curve. We all laughed at the time. Irish_Dem Friday #38
That's chilling how Roc2020 Yesterday #72
All men (+women) are created equal.... magicarpet Yesterday #54
Ha ha. Women are still second class citizens. Irish_Dem Yesterday #60
Yep. Depressing, isn't it. Diamond_Dog 22 hrs ago #76
Depressing and disgusting. Irish_Dem 22 hrs ago #77
Completely!! InAbLuEsTaTe Yesterday #67
"No one is above the law." nt eppur_se_muova Friday #2
Which we now know is complete Different Drummer Friday #14
Well, we do know of one person who is somehow able to make sure HE is above the law. calimary Friday #46
How about DENVERPOPS Friday #21
Every person gets one vote, they just don't all count as much. nt Shermann Yesterday #66
Just like in Russia DENVERPOPS Yesterday #71
Did you believe in it before this day? WhiskeyGrinder Friday #3
I did when I was young. Starry eyed fourteen year old in high school. Ray Bruns Friday #5
I complained to my mother about having to recite the pledge daily at school. cyndensco Yesterday #49
I remember DENVERPOPS Yesterday #58
I used to misbehave during the pledge in elementary school. Lucky Luciano Yesterday #59
Blatantly false advertising that should be removed from the Supreme Whorehouse dalton99a Friday #4
Too bad for you. dchill Friday #6
Used to say that fucking shit every week at Boy Scouts. Had no idea it was a total crock of shit. SoFlaBro Friday #7
I stopped standing in high school and my children were taught not to stand. Keepthesoulalive Friday #12
My brother refused to do it pretty early on Meowmee Yesterday #51
Small town police radio scanners you hear important names that never that never get to court. IA8IT Friday #8
Here's another one: Stargleamer Friday #9
And "the US is a nation of laws"... Bettie Friday #13
... Different Drummer Friday #16
Yup.. please stop saying that.... 🤦🏻‍♀️ Most of us knew it was never true Meowmee Yesterday #52
The whole pledge can be banned LakeArenal Friday #10
1954 niyad Friday #30
During Eisenhower to distinguish us from the "godless" communists state of stupid Friday #31
With a big push from the bunch of dress-up clowns, the Knights of Columbus. NT BobsYourUncle Yesterday #48
Ain't that the truth DaBronx Friday #11
It is my sincere hope BigMin28 Yesterday #56
Yep DaBronx 17 hrs ago #78
yeah. barbtries Friday #15
K & R Emile Friday #17
Likewise about the US being a shinning beacon of democracy. drray23 Friday #18
Nope, of course, when did they ever really ring true? Magoo48 Friday #19
"Don't do the crime if you cant do the time" bsiebs Friday #20
That depends on how much money and influence you have state of stupid Friday #32
Well, in spite of the fact that "liberty and justice for all" wnylib Friday #22
Just change the last word....... lastlib Friday #23
Perfect 😹 Just add Life to it as well Meowmee Yesterday #53
I get nauseous when I hear the word liberty it is such bs word that the right wingers throw out kimbutgar Friday #25
You still have the liberty to fight for everything you say is lost. You still have liberty. If you say you don't, ancianita Friday #27
But what happens when "we the people " are annihilated by his MAGAloons that he'll send out to go after kimbutgar Friday #29
Don't make up hypotheticals to continue your fear habit. Fear kills the soul and hardens hearts and minds. ancianita Friday #39
Proclaim what you want. But you can't love democracy, rule of law, liberty and justice for all ONLY WHEN YOU WIN. ancianita Friday #26
That seems like some very convoluted logic. Nt lostnfound Friday #43
How so? ancianita Friday #44
The OP writes of disillusionment. To be dis-illusioned is to free oneself from an illusion lostnfound Yesterday #74
The OP writes "I never want to hear..." "Disillusionment" is solely your interpretation, and thanks for your thoughts. ancianita 23 hrs ago #75
The same people who make a mockery of the Rule of Law want to make kids pray and read the bible in school. sop Friday #28
I do. pandr32 Friday #33
And "no man is above the law." What a load of bullshit. Comfortably_Numb Friday #34
With Liberty and Justice for Some Little Frieda Friday #35
The Rule of Law is indeed dead. -misanthroptimist Friday #36
there's no justice, it's just us Celerity Friday #37
and I stopped singing the national anthem many years ago.. Permanut Friday #40
You are made blind to soo many things as someone who grows up in America... DSandra Friday #41
As long as we're tossing out antiquated American slogans... Xavier Breath Friday #42
Certainly bdamomma Friday #45
I thought you were going to say "Felon Trump." stollen Yesterday #47
I keep saying "with liberty and justice for all". regardless of the rest of the world and DU. Tetrachloride Yesterday #50
Right on!! Ferrets are Cool Yesterday #55
It is an ideal to work toward dlk Yesterday #57
The phrase "law and order" can also go fuck itself . . . hatrack Yesterday #61
"Patriot" Seinan Sensei Yesterday #62
I'd be happy if we could permanently and officially omit "Under God" * Oopsie Daisy Yesterday #63
I quit saying the pledge of allegiance long ago IzzaNuDay Yesterday #64
i actually chuckled when i read "and justice for all" nt orleans Yesterday #65
Well, that's one approach. I'd rather scream them at the top of my lungs at the end as an act of shaming and defiance. KatjeD Yesterday #68
Replace with "the pursuit of liberty and justice for all." HereForTheParty Yesterday #69
"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State...." Doc_Technical Yesterday #70
Haven't been able to say those words since Ford pardoned Nixon Attilatheblond Yesterday #73

DENVERPOPS

(10,301 posts)
24. George Carlin.........perfect
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 02:44 PM
Friday

May he rest in peace, having tried to tell us all the way things really are:

George Carlin, 100% dead on, with this rant years ago, describing the future...............

&t=57s

Roc2020

(1,720 posts)
72. That's chilling how
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 01:28 PM
Yesterday

accurate he was. The country is really in crisis never experienced before. I'm really fascinated curious and very watchful how Americans will respond or react.

Irish_Dem

(60,612 posts)
60. Ha ha. Women are still second class citizens.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 10:15 AM
Yesterday

With the GOP making it a crime to treat dying women, we are now lower than American livestock and pets.
People are allowed to treat dying pets and farm animals.

Irish_Dem

(60,612 posts)
77. Depressing and disgusting.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 06:33 PM
22 hrs ago

My Dad was US career military and he did not fly combat in three wars so his daughter and granddaughters
would be treated worse than gd barnyard animals.

calimary

(84,796 posts)
46. Well, we do know of one person who is somehow able to make sure HE is above the law.
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 11:03 PM
Friday

That fucking orange-faced, forked-tongued BASTARD.

DENVERPOPS

(10,301 posts)
71. Just like in Russia
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 01:04 PM
Yesterday

Like one of Hitler's henchmen once said, we don't care about the votes, we only care about who is counting them........

Ray Bruns

(4,781 posts)
5. I did when I was young. Starry eyed fourteen year old in high school.
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 01:38 PM
Friday

Did a lot of growing up since then.

cyndensco

(1,730 posts)
49. I complained to my mother about having to recite the pledge daily at school.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 09:09 AM
Yesterday

She told me if I chose not to say it she would support me. In her opinion, the last line made the whole thing invalid.

I was in elementary school.

DENVERPOPS

(10,301 posts)
58. I remember
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 10:03 AM
Yesterday

when all of a sudden in the 50's they ADDED the phrase, UNDER GOD.............

Lucky Luciano

(11,520 posts)
59. I used to misbehave during the pledge in elementary school.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 10:12 AM
Yesterday

Last edited Sat Jan 11, 2025, 02:35 PM - Edit history (1)

I would make childishly funny word changes or burp or not say it at all. As a 7 year old or so I somehow knew it did not feel right to just mindlessly do it. Nobody ever told me to be that way…but the school psychologist got involved because I wouldn’t comply!

dalton99a

(85,153 posts)
4. Blatantly false advertising that should be removed from the Supreme Whorehouse
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 01:36 PM
Friday

"Equal Justice Under Law" my ass


SoFlaBro

(3,365 posts)
7. Used to say that fucking shit every week at Boy Scouts. Had no idea it was a total crock of shit.
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 01:46 PM
Friday

Keepthesoulalive

(861 posts)
12. I stopped standing in high school and my children were taught not to stand.
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 02:07 PM
Friday

We had to have a conversation with some of the teachers but they got my point.

Meowmee

(6,444 posts)
51. My brother refused to do it pretty early on
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 09:19 AM
Yesterday

and they were furious but they could not force him to... I just did it because it had no real meaning to me then anyway

IA8IT

(5,955 posts)
8. Small town police radio scanners you hear important names that never that never get to court.
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 01:46 PM
Friday

Justice is infinitely adjustable

BigMin28

(1,512 posts)
56. It is my sincere hope
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 09:36 AM
Yesterday

that Garland is haunted by what is about to become of his precious DOJ. What he was so worried about protecting is about to be turned into a organized crime ring. He protected nothing.

barbtries

(30,034 posts)
15. yeah.
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 02:10 PM
Friday

it's aspirational. but i have no desire to recite the pledge of allegiance. i don't swell with pride when i hear the national anthem. i used to. I remember walking down the street and thinking how lucky I was to have been born in the USA.

republicans turned it into a shithole country. If I had the means and my family was with me, I would leave.

As it is I will be here and I will be a part of The Opposition, and I will resist and i will not change, or shut up about it.

drray23

(8,037 posts)
18. Likewise about the US being a shinning beacon of democracy.
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 02:24 PM
Friday

Loads of nonsense. We have zero credibility about going around wagging our finger at other countries for not being democracies.

wnylib

(25,005 posts)
22. Well, in spite of the fact that "liberty and justice for all"
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 02:37 PM
Friday

has never been fully lived up to, I refuse to drop those words as a value to promote, despite corrupt courts and the power of oligarchs.

If those words are ever to have meaning as a reality, it will happen only when enough people are committed to those words to make them happen.

As a retired person, I am not exposed to settings where the pledge is recited. I do not feel a need or desire to recite the pledge and I take exception to other parts of it as well.

But I can and do feel committed to the goal of "liberty and justice for all."

lastlib

(25,048 posts)
23. Just change the last word.......
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 02:38 PM
Friday

"...liberty and justice for the rich......"

"...one nation under tRump.... "

kimbutgar

(23,777 posts)
25. I get nauseous when I hear the word liberty it is such bs word that the right wingers throw out
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 02:45 PM
Friday

While taking away voting rights, woman’s rights, LGBTQ rights. Where’s our liberty to have these freedoms?

ancianita

(39,019 posts)
27. You still have the liberty to fight for everything you say is lost. You still have liberty. If you say you don't,
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 02:50 PM
Friday

you've abandoned all agency still left to every single one of We The People.

kimbutgar

(23,777 posts)
29. But what happens when "we the people " are annihilated by his MAGAloons that he'll send out to go after
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 02:53 PM
Friday

Us and he’ll promise them immunity.

Remember Hitler 2.0 has total immunity in carrying out presidential duties. And who’s to say he won’t use it to go after his enemies in states that didn’t vote for him?

ancianita

(39,019 posts)
39. Don't make up hypotheticals to continue your fear habit. Fear kills the soul and hardens hearts and minds.
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 03:59 PM
Friday

Why do you think "when "we the people " are annihilated" or "who's to say" when it didn't happen the first shot he took. Why do you think he's so powerful, or his "magaloons" are in such great numbers. They're not.
Biden has time and time again told you that "America is an idea." If you think an idea can die in the next four years, if you think that millions of your American brothers and sisters won't fight for their children's freedom and futures, think again.

It's a big country. Democracy has millions more allies than the 23% who voted for the Felon.

https://thefederalnewswire.com/stories/665892188-litigation-coalition-forming-to-confront-trump-administration-policies

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Alliance

https://www.propublica.org/topics/trump-administration

https://breakingnewsusa.com



Do NOT give in to your fear. Do not let your fear drive your imagination. Try not to post fear.
Take heart. Know that millions of all of us are together in this righteous fight for our descendants' future.



ancianita

(39,019 posts)
26. Proclaim what you want. But you can't love democracy, rule of law, liberty and justice for all ONLY WHEN YOU WIN.
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 02:49 PM
Friday

Last edited Fri Jan 10, 2025, 07:16 PM - Edit history (1)







lostnfound

(16,760 posts)
74. The OP writes of disillusionment. To be dis-illusioned is to free oneself from an illusion
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 04:56 PM
Yesterday

And an illusion is a falsehood.

I expect that the OP is NOT saying that he disagrees with the ideal of liberty and justice for all.

I presume that the OP is removing an illusion from his own mind that the United States, as a country, actually values liberty and justice for all. “Liberty and justice for all” is more of a slogan, a pretense, than an authentic value of the U.S. in 2025.

Pointing out the illusion, the deception, is a community service.

It’s quite a different area from “you can’t love your country only when you win”.
It’s more like “you can’t admit reality only when you are proud of it”.

ancianita

(39,019 posts)
75. The OP writes "I never want to hear..." "Disillusionment" is solely your interpretation, and thanks for your thoughts.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 05:56 PM
23 hrs ago

"I never want to hear..." is a statement of permanence.
It 'never wants to hear' any post of Biden OR the Felon saying it. Disillusionment, as you interpret it, is usually a temporary emotion that can drive what one says and does, but one needs to be careful about using always and never driven by a temporary emotion.
It's more helpful to sit with one's disillusionment than to later say "oh I really didn't mean that."

Appreciate your effort, but gotta say that as long as you choose to interpret the OP as disillusionment, any reader can also reasonably interpret "never want to hear" as a permanent removing of oneself from 'small d' democratic talk that reflects on America as an "idea," which Joe Biden has claimed for years. It can also be interpreted as a more permanent loss of faith in ideas upheld and defended by Americans since the founding.

But historically our losses don't reflect the best of our party or the country. Disillusion prevents one from an historical and/or numbers perspective -- that the majority of this country has not voted GOP for a long time, and this time, not for the criminality that surrounds the Felon or the Heritage ideas that will hurt them if enacted. Many high visibility figures have said this.

Overall, the words "never want" only reflect a personal reality. If they prove any relatable exterior reality, it's that rule of law, equality under the law, are down. But not out.

That's just my opinion.

sop

(11,862 posts)
28. The same people who make a mockery of the Rule of Law want to make kids pray and read the bible in school.
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 02:52 PM
Friday

Permanut

(6,741 posts)
40. and I stopped singing the national anthem many years ago..
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 04:04 PM
Friday

"..the land of the free.."

More BS.

DSandra

(1,306 posts)
41. You are made blind to soo many things as someone who grows up in America...
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 05:02 PM
Friday










This is just a small sample...

stollen

(619 posts)
47. I thought you were going to say "Felon Trump."
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 03:25 AM
Yesterday

I've used the term 10 times this a.m alone.

Tetrachloride

(8,514 posts)
50. I keep saying "with liberty and justice for all". regardless of the rest of the world and DU.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 09:17 AM
Yesterday

I expect it of myself and a few of my family appreciate my view.

Ferrets are Cool

(22,043 posts)
55. Right on!!
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 09:31 AM
Yesterday
Students in elementary schools in my area are COMPELLED to say this bullshit every morning before class. It sickens my stomach to hear the indoctrination and lies coming from their mouths.

Seinan Sensei

(774 posts)
62. "Patriot"
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 10:47 AM
Yesterday

Is another RW go-to word.
To them, any original meaning of this word is lost and gone forever.

Oopsie Daisy

(4,646 posts)
63. I'd be happy if we could permanently and officially omit "Under God" *
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 11:06 AM
Yesterday

* and "In God We Trust".

IzzaNuDay

(731 posts)
64. I quit saying the pledge of allegiance long ago
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 11:08 AM
Yesterday

I don’t do the hands to the heart, don’t say the words.

It’s a farce!

KatjeD

(2 posts)
68. Well, that's one approach. I'd rather scream them at the top of my lungs at the end as an act of shaming and defiance.
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 11:46 AM
Yesterday

Just as I refuse to surrender the flag to the Neo-Nazis and Proud Boys, I'm not about to surrender my pledge to it either. The fascists may choose to think those words don't matter, but I am here to remind them with my last breath: "liberty and justice for all" means LIBERTY and JUSTICE for ALL.

Doc_Technical

(3,616 posts)
70. "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State...."
Sat Jan 11, 2025, 01:00 PM
Yesterday

Militias are not necessary now.

As far as I'm concerned, the Second Amendment
only applies to muzzle loading, smooth bore,
black powder firearms.

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