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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI never want to hear these words from anyone ever again.
with liberty and justice for all."
Irish_Dem
(60,612 posts)DENVERPOPS
(10,301 posts)May he rest in peace, having tried to tell us all the way things really are:
George Carlin, 100% dead on, with this rant years ago, describing the future...............
Irish_Dem
(60,612 posts)But we are not laughing now.
Roc2020
(1,720 posts)accurate he was. The country is really in crisis never experienced before. I'm really fascinated curious and very watchful how Americans will respond or react.
magicarpet
(17,209 posts)Smirk/Giggle/Fart....
Irish_Dem
(60,612 posts)With the GOP making it a crime to treat dying women, we are now lower than American livestock and pets.
People are allowed to treat dying pets and farm animals.
Diamond_Dog
(35,406 posts)Irish_Dem
(60,612 posts)My Dad was US career military and he did not fly combat in three wars so his daughter and granddaughters
would be treated worse than gd barnyard animals.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,694 posts)eppur_se_muova
(37,850 posts)Different Drummer
(8,845 posts)💩
calimary
(84,796 posts)That fucking orange-faced, forked-tongued BASTARD.
DENVERPOPS
(10,301 posts)One Person, One Vote.......
Shermann
(8,747 posts)DENVERPOPS
(10,301 posts)Like one of Hitler's henchmen once said, we don't care about the votes, we only care about who is counting them........
WhiskeyGrinder
(24,179 posts)Ray Bruns
(4,781 posts)Did a lot of growing up since then.
cyndensco
(1,730 posts)She told me if I chose not to say it she would support me. In her opinion, the last line made the whole thing invalid.
I was in elementary school.
DENVERPOPS
(10,301 posts)when all of a sudden in the 50's they ADDED the phrase, UNDER GOD.............
Lucky Luciano
(11,520 posts)Last edited Sat Jan 11, 2025, 02:35 PM - Edit history (1)
I would make childishly funny word changes or burp or not say it at all. As a 7 year old or so I somehow knew it did not feel right to just mindlessly do it. Nobody ever told me to be that way but the school psychologist got involved because I wouldnt comply!
dalton99a
(85,153 posts)"Equal Justice Under Law" my ass
dchill
(40,888 posts)They'll claim that is why Trump was not sentenced.
SoFlaBro
(3,365 posts)Keepthesoulalive
(861 posts)We had to have a conversation with some of the teachers but they got my point.
Meowmee
(6,444 posts)and they were furious but they could not force him to... I just did it because it had no real meaning to me then anyway
IA8IT
(5,955 posts)Justice is infinitely adjustable
Stargleamer
(2,292 posts)Last edited Sat Jan 11, 2025, 11:09 AM - Edit history (1)
"In America, nobody is above the law"
Bettie
(17,471 posts)yeah, not so much.
Different Drummer
(8,845 posts)🤣
Meowmee
(6,444 posts)LakeArenal
(29,887 posts)I even think they added under god much later.
state of stupid
(84 posts)BobsYourUncle
(156 posts)DaBronx
(517 posts).along with no man is above the law crap that DOJ spewed.
BigMin28
(1,512 posts)that Garland is haunted by what is about to become of his precious DOJ. What he was so worried about protecting is about to be turned into a organized crime ring. He protected nothing.
barbtries
(30,034 posts)it's aspirational. but i have no desire to recite the pledge of allegiance. i don't swell with pride when i hear the national anthem. i used to. I remember walking down the street and thinking how lucky I was to have been born in the USA.
republicans turned it into a shithole country. If I had the means and my family was with me, I would leave.
As it is I will be here and I will be a part of The Opposition, and I will resist and i will not change, or shut up about it.
drray23
(8,037 posts)Loads of nonsense. We have zero credibility about going around wagging our finger at other countries for not being democracies.
Magoo48
(5,610 posts)bsiebs
(770 posts)That one hasn't aged well either.....
state of stupid
(84 posts)wnylib
(25,005 posts)has never been fully lived up to, I refuse to drop those words as a value to promote, despite corrupt courts and the power of oligarchs.
If those words are ever to have meaning as a reality, it will happen only when enough people are committed to those words to make them happen.
As a retired person, I am not exposed to settings where the pledge is recited. I do not feel a need or desire to recite the pledge and I take exception to other parts of it as well.
But I can and do feel committed to the goal of "liberty and justice for all."
lastlib
(25,048 posts)"...liberty and justice for the rich......"
"...one nation under tRump.... "
Meowmee
(6,444 posts)kimbutgar
(23,777 posts)While taking away voting rights, womans rights, LGBTQ rights. Wheres our liberty to have these freedoms?
ancianita
(39,019 posts)you've abandoned all agency still left to every single one of We The People.
kimbutgar
(23,777 posts)Us and hell promise them immunity.
Remember Hitler 2.0 has total immunity in carrying out presidential duties. And whos to say he wont use it to go after his enemies in states that didnt vote for him?
ancianita
(39,019 posts)Why do you think "when "we the people " are annihilated" or "who's to say" when it didn't happen the first shot he took. Why do you think he's so powerful, or his "magaloons" are in such great numbers. They're not.
Biden has time and time again told you that "America is an idea." If you think an idea can die in the next four years, if you think that millions of your American brothers and sisters won't fight for their children's freedom and futures, think again.
It's a big country. Democracy has millions more allies than the 23% who voted for the Felon.
https://thefederalnewswire.com/stories/665892188-litigation-coalition-forming-to-confront-trump-administration-policies
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democracy_Alliance
https://www.propublica.org/topics/trump-administration
https://breakingnewsusa.com
Do NOT give in to your fear. Do not let your fear drive your imagination. Try not to post fear.
Take heart. Know that millions of all of us are together in this righteous fight for our descendants' future.
ancianita
(39,019 posts)lostnfound
(16,760 posts)ancianita
(39,019 posts)lostnfound
(16,760 posts)And an illusion is a falsehood.
I expect that the OP is NOT saying that he disagrees with the ideal of liberty and justice for all.
I presume that the OP is removing an illusion from his own mind that the United States, as a country, actually values liberty and justice for all. Liberty and justice for all is more of a slogan, a pretense, than an authentic value of the U.S. in 2025.
Pointing out the illusion, the deception, is a community service.
Its quite a different area from you cant love your country only when you win.
Its more like you cant admit reality only when you are proud of it.
ancianita
(39,019 posts)"I never want to hear..." is a statement of permanence.
It 'never wants to hear' any post of Biden OR the Felon saying it. Disillusionment, as you interpret it, is usually a temporary emotion that can drive what one says and does, but one needs to be careful about using always and never driven by a temporary emotion.
It's more helpful to sit with one's disillusionment than to later say "oh I really didn't mean that."
Appreciate your effort, but gotta say that as long as you choose to interpret the OP as disillusionment, any reader can also reasonably interpret "never want to hear" as a permanent removing of oneself from 'small d' democratic talk that reflects on America as an "idea," which Joe Biden has claimed for years. It can also be interpreted as a more permanent loss of faith in ideas upheld and defended by Americans since the founding.
But historically our losses don't reflect the best of our party or the country. Disillusion prevents one from an historical and/or numbers perspective -- that the majority of this country has not voted GOP for a long time, and this time, not for the criminality that surrounds the Felon or the Heritage ideas that will hurt them if enacted. Many high visibility figures have said this.
Overall, the words "never want" only reflect a personal reality. If they prove any relatable exterior reality, it's that rule of law, equality under the law, are down. But not out.
That's just my opinion.
sop
(11,862 posts)pandr32
(12,364 posts)I also hope that it will become a goal. We must get dark money out of our way.
Comfortably_Numb
(4,129 posts)Little Frieda
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-misanthroptimist
(1,241 posts)Act accordingly, as conscience and circumstance dictate.
Celerity
(47,115 posts)Permanut
(6,741 posts)"..the land of the free.."
More BS.
DSandra
(1,306 posts)This is just a small sample...
Xavier Breath
(5,233 posts)Sorry, Superman.
bdamomma
(66,841 posts)not for us (serfdom). Absolutely sickening.
stollen
(619 posts)I've used the term 10 times this a.m alone.
Tetrachloride
(8,514 posts)I expect it of myself and a few of my family appreciate my view.
Ferrets are Cool
(22,043 posts)dlk
(12,502 posts)Not the status quo.
hatrack
(61,335 posts)Seinan Sensei
(774 posts)Is another RW go-to word.
To them, any original meaning of this word is lost and gone forever.
Oopsie Daisy
(4,646 posts)* and "In God We Trust".
IzzaNuDay
(731 posts)I dont do the hands to the heart, dont say the words.
Its a farce!
orleans
(35,400 posts)KatjeD
(2 posts)Just as I refuse to surrender the flag to the Neo-Nazis and Proud Boys, I'm not about to surrender my pledge to it either. The fascists may choose to think those words don't matter, but I am here to remind them with my last breath: "liberty and justice for all" means LIBERTY and JUSTICE for ALL.
HereForTheParty
(383 posts)nm
Doc_Technical
(3,616 posts)Militias are not necessary now.
As far as I'm concerned, the Second Amendment
only applies to muzzle loading, smooth bore,
black powder firearms.