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What's the fucking point? (Original Post) orangecrush Jan 10 OP
Me either, oc Clouds Passing Jan 10 #1
We officially now live in an authoritarian autocracy. orangecrush Jan 10 #3
People need to arm themselves Sundance1220 Jan 10 #20
Exactly minstrel76 Jan 10 #59
A lot of us realized that when covid hit Meowmee Jan 10 #62
What it does is question the judgment of those supporters who weren't MAGAs, but Baitball Blogger Jan 10 #2
Respectfully orangecrush Jan 10 #5
And he will keep doing it Baitball Blogger Jan 10 #12
The point is justice is an illusion unless you are powerful and wealthy. Our political system is a broken Autumn Jan 10 #4
No guardrails, selfish rich men in charge, law means who you know Tesha Jan 10 #6
Anti-democracy forces in the world are laughing at the U.S.A. bucolic_frolic Jan 10 #7
We have one option... Think. Again. Jan 10 #8
Yeah. orangecrush Jan 10 #9
The upcoming occupier of the WH will be a CONVICTED FELON. That is the point, and regardless of his apologists, they JohnSJ Jan 10 #10
He will also be 2 time elected MotownPgh Jan 10 #11
Yes, and that is due to the idiocy of the joe rogan, racists, sexists, etc. fan boys, along with those who either voted JohnSJ Jan 10 #19
No one who voted... MacDo Jan 10 #13
I believe that with all my heart. Frank D. Lincoln Jan 10 #25
The missing piece of the puzzle is Obama. You see, after Obama, it wouldn't have been okay to elect a decent, Solomon Jan 10 #34
He will not be a convicted felon gab13by13 Jan 10 #15
I don't think they will. It will be a 5-4 vote, with the goons, alito, thomas, gorsuch, and the rapist drunk kavanaugh JohnSJ Jan 10 #21
I sure hope you turn out to be right about that. Frank D. Lincoln Jan 10 #26
of course. JohnSJ Jan 10 #37
Deterrence. moondust Jan 10 #14
I'm surprised there are people who thought he would do time. BannonsLiver Jan 10 #16
I agree. what did they think would happen. JohnSJ Jan 10 #22
I didn't think he'd do time Elessar Zappa Jan 10 #41
It just feels like Sisyphus. Kid Berwyn Jan 10 #17
It is a deeply painful time. Passages Jan 10 #18
yes markie Jan 10 #45
"You're guilty. Now carry on as per usual." bif Jan 10 #23
Exactly, just commit crimes and carry on Meowmee Jan 10 #66
THere is a lot of desponcency in this thread... rasputin1952 Jan 10 #24
Thank you for making this post. Please make it an OP. mahina Jan 10 #29
Doom scrolling helps nobody. Doom posting is self- and community-destructive. Please don't. . . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 10 #27
If you really are having mental health issues or considering suicide, please CALL a pro or a hotline Bernardo de La Paz Jan 10 #28
I've said the same about mental health. Elessar Zappa Jan 10 #40
It was all a lot of rattling of the dishes for the fewness of the victuals.s Mark.b2 Jan 10 #30
Agree at this point, you have to start asking that question. Meowmee Jan 10 #31
Hope springs eternal. William769 Jan 10 #32
thank you for that markie Jan 10 #46
I refuse defeat. William769 Jan 10 #53
Judge Merchan is a Coward. Omnipresent Jan 10 #33
No, he has/had more balls then 6 of 9 Supreme court justices, republianmushroom Jan 10 #39
He has more balls than the other 3 Justices. Male genitalia have NOTHING to do with courage Bernardo de La Paz Jan 10 #44
It is an old school figure of speech, sorry you don't understand the meaning of it. republianmushroom Jan 10 #47
I understand it perfectly. It is also sexist & unscientific. Just bc something is old school doesn't make it right. nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 10 #49
Does make it wrong, either. republianmushroom Jan 10 #50
Sexist and unscientific make it plenty wrong. This is the 21st century. A quarter way through already. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jan 10 #51
Sorry, I don't change my ways just because some people think I should. republianmushroom Jan 10 #52
Of course you can persist in discredited old school thinking. Sexist "more balls" is the intolerant way Bernardo de La Paz Jan 10 #55
Oh, I will. republianmushroom Jan 10 #57
He is a convicted felon in name only. Omnipresent Jan 10 #64
I don't think so markie Jan 10 #48
The ruling class managed to string us along until the takeover was completed. jalan48 Jan 10 #35
I never thought he would be because of how it was managed etc. Meowmee Jan 10 #38
His job was to break the government as we know it, and he succeeded. jalan48 Jan 10 #42
Yes sadly a lot of this is true Meowmee Jan 10 #43
Merchan: "This court has determined that the only lawful sentence that permits entry of judgment of sop Jan 10 #36
I have to think about the white collar criminals who have gone to federal prison. Hope22 Jan 10 #54
I'm hanging in there for 2 more years. multigraincracker Jan 10 #56
I bet the British are laughing their asses off. LudwigPastorius Jan 10 #58
Point well made. orangecrush Jan 10 #60
We are not the first in history to face this level of adversity and despair. ismnotwasm Jan 10 #61
I can see one point Meowmee Jan 10 #63
This orangecrush Jan 10 #67
Welcome to Gilead bumper sticker. Funtatlaguy Jan 10 #65
 

Sundance1220

(285 posts)
20. People need to arm themselves
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 12:06 PM
Jan 10

And I'm not JUST talking about protecting yourself from an out of control government. I'm talking about protecting yourselves from their supporters.

minstrel76

(94 posts)
59. Exactly
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 02:14 PM
Jan 10

Nobody is coming to save us. Not the courts, not congress, not law enforcement. Everyone in government, the media, and business is rolling all over themselves trying to get into Trump’s good graces while throwing us under the bus in the process. So, since nobody will protect us, we’ll have to protect ourselves. We’re on our own, probably for the long haul.

Meowmee

(7,698 posts)
62. A lot of us realized that when covid hit
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 02:24 PM
Jan 10

With that psycho actively trying to kill more people, after he concealed the danger, continuously lied about it, withheld help for blue states etc. and almost no one did anything to counter him and his insanity.

Baitball Blogger

(49,487 posts)
2. What it does is question the judgment of those supporters who weren't MAGAs, but
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 11:33 AM
Jan 10

voted for him anyway.

orangecrush

(23,563 posts)
5. Respectfully
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 11:35 AM
Jan 10

I don't see where it does shit.

He wiped his ass with the paper the sentence was written on.

Baitball Blogger

(49,487 posts)
12. And he will keep doing it
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 11:51 AM
Jan 10

Now we all need to bow our heads and take a moment to think about the injustices that Black Americans have suffered from the time they were pulled out of their villages and landed on US territory. This kind of injustice is what they have experienced since the beginning of American history. But it is what Trump and the rest of his kind expect.

But, but, I see one perspective that we should never ignore. What they did quietly and behind doors is now in the open. This is not because they have more power, but because, like a pimple, they are being forced to the surface. The battle that is being waged today is now where we can all see it. They are being bold because the laws are not on their side. So they have to continually break them. The question now is how much damage will they be able to make to this country, before people who voted for Trump realize their mistake?

It's a process. But this country has to go through this trying time in order for it to mature into the great country it was meant to be.

Autumn

(47,451 posts)
4. The point is justice is an illusion unless you are powerful and wealthy. Our political system is a broken
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 11:34 AM
Jan 10

joke of a disaster. We have no healthcare yet provide it for others. Our military protects monies interests of the wealthy and powerful. Corporations are taken care of by politicians because they can accept bribe while the voters do without. We are a shithole nation.

Tesha

(21,004 posts)
6. No guardrails, selfish rich men in charge, law means who you know
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 11:41 AM
Jan 10

We're in pretty deep, you're right oranecrush

bucolic_frolic

(49,153 posts)
7. Anti-democracy forces in the world are laughing at the U.S.A.
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 11:43 AM
Jan 10

Democracy! We've been manipulated to elect a Trojan Horse. Our legal system couldn't even find a way to keep him out of power!

The effects of the American Revolution are over. We return to foreign control of some kind.

Oh, yes. And the Enlightenment is dead! Those nasty philosophers opining about the human condition and the rights of man are back in their little books and tiny minds.

Real men rule! Men who can commit crimes and shake them off and rise above humanity to determine its destiny.

You pea brains better start your crime wave. Takes a lot of felonies to get elected or appointed to anything.

JohnSJ

(97,986 posts)
10. The upcoming occupier of the WH will be a CONVICTED FELON. That is the point, and regardless of his apologists, they
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 11:45 AM
Jan 10

cannot take away that label.

MotownPgh

(432 posts)
11. He will also be 2 time elected
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 11:50 AM
Jan 10

President and commander in chief, which is what matters. The US is in deep trouble

JohnSJ

(97,986 posts)
19. Yes, and that is due to the idiocy of the joe rogan, racists, sexists, etc. fan boys, along with those who either voted
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 12:05 PM
Jan 10

third party or didn't vote.

The country is getting exactly what it deserves. They asked for it. FAFO. The choices could NOT have been clearer, and the country choice a deviant over a good person.

Labor split the vote - we will see how that works out for them.
Latinos split the vote - we will see how that works out for them.
Women did not come out in the necessary number, we will see how that works out for them.
Most of the Israeli-Palestinian protester, and Muslim Americans refused to vote for VP Harris. We will see how that works out for them.

Any of those people that refused to vote for VP Harris, they won't get any sympathy from me if things turn against them.

MacDo

(244 posts)
13. No one who voted...
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 11:51 AM
Jan 10

For him cares he’s a convicted felon. In fact, it probably gave him more votes than if he hadn’t been put on trial.

Frank D. Lincoln

(894 posts)
25. I believe that with all my heart.
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 12:26 PM
Jan 10

You're exactly right.

The worse of a person Trump showed himself to be, the more many Americans loved and embraced him.

Then they returned him to power to destroy their own country.

That's beyond sick.

Solomon

(12,518 posts)
34. The missing piece of the puzzle is Obama. You see, after Obama, it wouldn't have been okay to elect a decent,
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 01:00 PM
Jan 10

honorable white man. We must have the most despicable, low life sum of a white man to prove once again, that the very lowest and worst white man is still better than the best decent and upstanding black man. Without Obama having been president, Trump would have never happened. He would not have been able to "insult his way into the white house" as Jeb Bush said.

This is the price we paid for electing Obama to the presidency. And then, oh Lord, we elected him again over a "decent" white man. It's just too much for the American psyche. Now, all bets are off! Rules, laws, ethics, integrity, everything trashed openly in maintenance of white supremacy. With a decent white man, we could still keep up the pretense. But to make it certain and clear, it had to be a despicable white man.

gab13by13

(26,891 posts)
15. He will not be a convicted felon
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 11:55 AM
Jan 10

after the Supreme Court grants his appeal and overturns his conviction.

JohnSJ

(97,986 posts)
21. I don't think they will. It will be a 5-4 vote, with the goons, alito, thomas, gorsuch, and the rapist drunk kavanaugh
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 12:07 PM
Jan 10

being in the minority.

and that is ONLY if they hear it and I don't think they will.




Elessar Zappa

(16,308 posts)
41. I didn't think he'd do time
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 01:26 PM
Jan 10

but I was hoping for at least some punishment. Probation, community service, even a hefty fine.

Kid Berwyn

(19,461 posts)
17. It just feels like Sisyphus.
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 11:57 AM
Jan 10

More like Tantalus.



We need to re-envision the plot, rewrite the script, and institute a system that serves us -- We the People -- instead of serving us up to the wealthy few NAZIs who've hijacked the game, pay one team and an evidently large part of the other, corrupted all the refs, and stolen the deed to the stadium.

Meowmee

(7,698 posts)
66. Exactly, just commit crimes and carry on
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 03:23 PM
Jan 10

I just wonder what it is going to take for someone, anyone at this point, to do something to stop this insanity?

What line has to be crossed, what crimes would be too much?

rasputin1952

(83,484 posts)
24. THere is a lot of desponcency in this thread...
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 12:12 PM
Jan 10

And it is a young thread.

DO NOT give in. This is not the end of our nation as a democratic Republic.

Resistance is paramount. Make your Congresscritters feel the pain of their commitment to this sack-of-shit.
If they go along with some of the proposals T**** comes up with, hit the phones, calmly, but firmly, tell them that their jobs are on the line if the are compliant with the incoming administration. If your critters are D's, they need to hear from you

The only way we can fail as a nation is if we allow it to happen. MAGAts are a small element of the equation. I see non-voters as compliant with what is happening, so it is imperative to start now, on getting them involved.

Face facts, we have been lackadaisical in our efforts, we should be at the forefront of change, not sitting in the dust awaiting some form of positive change. It is our responsibility as citizens to protect democracy and elevate everyone to a higher level equality, and we can only do that if we persevere to produce positive results.

Let us not fall into a grayzone, we have the opportunity to neuter the upcoming administration in 2026. That is our goal now.

Let's get moving and change what we can, locally and nationally.

Bernardo de La Paz

(53,035 posts)
27. Doom scrolling helps nobody. Doom posting is self- and community-destructive. Please don't. . . . . nt
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 12:30 PM
Jan 10

Bernardo de La Paz

(53,035 posts)
28. If you really are having mental health issues or considering suicide, please CALL a pro or a hotline
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 12:33 PM
Jan 10

Maybe post in the Mental Health forum.

Bleating it out in General Discussion is doom-posting. Please take more appropriate measures to help yourself without damaging others by doom-posting in GD.

Elessar Zappa

(16,308 posts)
40. I've said the same about mental health.
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 01:25 PM
Jan 10

I had a friend who, after Trump was elected the first time, went into a serious depression to the point of not being able to get out of bed. She was missing work, neglecting other tasks, not showering. We convinced her to see a therapist and it really did help her. She came out of it and started working in positive ways to affect change in our community.

Mark.b2

(528 posts)
30. It was all a lot of rattling of the dishes for the fewness of the victuals.s
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 12:37 PM
Jan 10

As my daddy used to say.

Meowmee

(7,698 posts)
31. Agree at this point, you have to start asking that question.
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 12:39 PM
Jan 10

The whole justice system is a complete farce now, it was deeply flawed before but now it’s unfathomable. You have a murderer, rapist, insurrectionist, and so on and so on put in charge of the country again and you couldn’t do a damn thing to hold him accountable for any of these numerous crimes. He was enabled and let off over and over again by everybody, including voters. At this point in time, you have to start assessing what the hell is wrong with your system.

Omnipresent

(6,754 posts)
33. Judge Merchan is a Coward.
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 12:52 PM
Jan 10

There is no other way to explain this.
He put off sentencing for so long, only to let trump walk without punishment.
So i say and believe like so many of you, that Judge Merchan is nothing more than a coward!

republianmushroom

(19,003 posts)
39. No, he has/had more balls then 6 of 9 Supreme court justices,
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 01:21 PM
Jan 10

some federal court judges in the south.. Would of loved to have seen jail time but that would never of happened. 5 to 4 for sentencing. Disappoint somewhat, but, I'll take it. The convicted and sentenced felon can carry that label to his grave now.

Merrick the Meek, 47 months and counting and 9 days for release of Smiths report.

Bernardo de La Paz

(53,035 posts)
44. He has more balls than the other 3 Justices. Male genitalia have NOTHING to do with courage
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 01:50 PM
Jan 10

Can progressives please drop the sexist unscientific metaphor?

republianmushroom

(19,003 posts)
47. It is an old school figure of speech, sorry you don't understand the meaning of it.
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 01:55 PM
Jan 10

Have to ever figured out what my months and counting meaning is ?

Bernardo de La Paz

(53,035 posts)
49. I understand it perfectly. It is also sexist & unscientific. Just bc something is old school doesn't make it right. nt
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 01:58 PM
Jan 10

Bernardo de La Paz

(53,035 posts)
51. Sexist and unscientific make it plenty wrong. This is the 21st century. A quarter way through already. . . . nt
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 02:00 PM
Jan 10

republianmushroom

(19,003 posts)
52. Sorry, I don't change my ways just because some people think I should.
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 02:05 PM
Jan 10

Maybe you should change your ways and be more tolerant.

Bernardo de La Paz

(53,035 posts)
55. Of course you can persist in discredited old school thinking. Sexist "more balls" is the intolerant way
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 02:09 PM
Jan 10

You exposed yourself.

markie

(23,211 posts)
48. I don't think so
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 01:57 PM
Jan 10

Aileen Cannon is a coward.... many voters are cowards trump is a coward and bully.... Judge Merchan did what he had to do....

jalan48

(14,722 posts)
35. The ruling class managed to string us along until the takeover was completed.
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 01:00 PM
Jan 10

No riots, few protests. We all thought Trump would be held accountable at some point, just be patient and believe in the system, the courts will hold.
Are we woke yet?

Meowmee

(7,698 posts)
38. I never thought he would be because of how it was managed etc.
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 01:15 PM
Jan 10

People here kept telling me I was an idiot etc. I also just thought they would never have any real accountability for a president who was charged with crime.

I mean, look what they already did, they elected someone who’s totally insane and committed multiple crimes and then when he committed even worse crimes while he was the president, they couldn’t do anything to hold him accountable, even when they had the one last chance to do something nothing was done.

He was never even charged for anything regarding his worst crime which was murdering millions of Americans with Covid.

I think it’s more than being a coward. I think some of them have been paid off as well. If not directly then indirectly.

jalan48

(14,722 posts)
42. His job was to break the government as we know it, and he succeeded.
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 01:39 PM
Jan 10

Reagan started it with, "The government isn't your friend", and Trump completed the 40 year strategy. Democrats have been way to gullible and too easily manipulated by happy talk from their own leaders. Reagan's Iran Contra, Bush/Cheney torturing of prisoners, the banksters melting down the economy and finally Trump. None were held accountable for their serious crimes, even when we had Democrats in power. I'm sure we'll see more happy talk as the normalization of Trump and our new Oligarchy takes over. Those who challenge Trump Inc. are the ones who will get crushed. Easier to get in line and play along if you want to keep your job and the great perks.

Meowmee

(7,698 posts)
43. Yes sadly a lot of this is true
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 01:42 PM
Jan 10

There is no amount of normalization that is ever going to cover this **** load of stink and crimes and insanity. It’s also more than just happy talk. It’s black is white and white is black. There are no facts anymore. There are no realities, etc. …crimes are not really crimes and so on.

sop

(13,018 posts)
36. Merchan: "This court has determined that the only lawful sentence that permits entry of judgment of
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 01:03 PM
Jan 10

conviction without encroachment on the highest office of the land is a sentence of unconditional discharge." Trump gets off again.

Hope22

(3,673 posts)
54. I have to think about the white collar criminals who have gone to federal prison.
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 02:09 PM
Jan 10

I have a friend who didn’t rape women or ride on the Lolita express and never stole an election but used his company to buy some parts and when he sold them for personal gain he went to prison. I’m sure there are thousands like him who are pi$$ed that this guy walked and continues to lie, strong arm and threaten society while heading back to the White House. Some US citizens have gone to prison for way less than this guy!

multigraincracker

(35,078 posts)
56. I'm hanging in there for 2 more years.
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 02:13 PM
Jan 10

The Mid-Term. Elections are my last hope. Getting close to my best if used by date.

LudwigPastorius

(11,848 posts)
58. I bet the British are laughing their asses off.
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 02:13 PM
Jan 10

All that fussing and fighting to throw off the shackles of their king (above the law and beholden to no one), and now 249 years later we install one ourselves.

ismnotwasm

(42,607 posts)
61. We are not the first in history to face this level of adversity and despair.
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 02:17 PM
Jan 10

We won’t be the last either.

As for me and my house. We are going to fight

Meowmee

(7,698 posts)
63. I can see one point
Fri Jan 10, 2025, 02:28 PM
Jan 10

He can’t escape death. Eventually, he will die thank God, if there is one, and I hope I’m alive that day. So my advice is get yourself vaxxed up and do everything you can to survive and outlive that ******* pos- that would be some type of a victory.

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