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Cattledog

(6,568 posts)
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 07:17 AM Jan 2025

LA is burning to the ground. Biden needs to mobilize the military.

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LA is burning to the ground. Biden needs to mobilize the military. (Original Post) Cattledog Jan 2025 OP
Does the army have firefighting units? Walleye Jan 2025 #1
Yes but... 2naSalit Jan 2025 #4
Also, some of those roads are kind of narrow and twisty to get their big equipment up Walleye Jan 2025 #7
Yes. 2naSalit Jan 2025 #8
Can they shoot the fire? Renew Deal Jan 2025 #9
Maybe... 2naSalit Jan 2025 #11
Bullets are fast. Renew Deal Jan 2025 #13
Oh, now I... 2naSalit Jan 2025 #15
As a last resort, nuke the fires like we do with hurricanes. speak easy Jan 2025 #33
Finally, a voice of reason Renew Deal Jan 2025 #36
Put bombs in the ocean, the splashing will put it out LeftInTX Jan 2025 #47
This message was self-deleted by its author speak easy Jan 2025 #48
Yep, but they can also help with all the displaced people, Cattledog Jan 2025 #5
That is FEMA and Bettie Jan 2025 #28
The Army has... jmowreader Jan 2025 #18
That sounds good. I just read that Sec. Austin is getting things going on this. Walleye Jan 2025 #22
You want to have them killed? yagotme Jan 2025 #43
They send prisoners to fight wildfire and get them back alive jmowreader Jan 2025 #46
Is this what you are referring to? yagotme Jan 2025 #49
Why? Emile Jan 2025 #2
To do what? 2naSalit Jan 2025 #3
They could like set off a nuke in the desert to redirect the wind. Just guessing doc03 Jan 2025 #21
I think Тяцмp would just let LA burn. n/t. Whiskeytide Jan 2025 #45
Help to evacuate people. travelingthrulife Jan 2025 #38
Maybe the mechanized engineer units can bulldoze the winds back east? EarthFirst Jan 2025 #6
What will the military do that isn't already being done? Patton French Jan 2025 #10
They don't have enough equipment for new fires womanofthehills Jan 2025 #39
Post removed Post removed Jan 2025 #12
No it isn't, and that is a ridiculous proposal. Voltaire2 Jan 2025 #14
National guard is already mobilized. erodriguez Jan 2025 #16
With 2,000 buildings burned and 130,000 evacuated and zero containment more help is needed. Cattledog Jan 2025 #17
How do you know? Are you the governor? yardwork Jan 2025 #30
When the wind is 70mph.... carpetbagger Jan 2025 #40
I had KNX on all night and they are talking as if the Mike 03 Jan 2025 #19
As usual, posters here are regurgitating the rightwing panic propaganda Voltaire2 Jan 2025 #23
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2025 #25
hello carpetbagger Jan 2025 #26
Morning KS Toronado Jan 2025 #27
Hm, Perhaps... I Listen To A Wide Swath Of Radio News Via Radio Garden MayReasonRule Jan 2025 #32
Isn't the National Guard the governor's responsibility? nt doc03 Jan 2025 #20
I think the NG has already been called.up yorkster Jan 2025 #34
Yes, unless nationalized by potus...... getagrip_already Jan 2025 #35
Post removed Post removed Jan 2025 #24
This sounds like something Trump said. yardwork Jan 2025 #29
What's that going to do? tenderfoot Jan 2025 #31
I guess we're going to get "Biden needs to..." posts until 1/20. BannonsLiver Jan 2025 #37
Well, Doesn't Biden RobinA Jan 2025 #41
Nuclear Weapons and maybe artillery Progressive dog Jan 2025 #42
May be necessary to prevent the spread of fire. Kid Berwyn Jan 2025 #44
If all our jets fly as fast as possible in reverse Mountainguy Jan 2025 #50
Say what?? moose65 Jan 2025 #51

2naSalit

(99,494 posts)
15. Oh, now I...
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 07:40 AM
Jan 2025

Hadn't put a lot of thought into that aspect.

Spaceforce could get president leon to set up a big rocket to blow out the fires! Yeah, yeah, that's it!

Response to LeftInTX (Reply #47)

Cattledog

(6,568 posts)
5. Yep, but they can also help with all the displaced people,
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 07:27 AM
Jan 2025

traffic control, and food distribution etc.

jmowreader

(52,842 posts)
18. The Army has...
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 08:01 AM
Jan 2025

1. Combat Arms units - Infantry, Field Artillery, Air Defense Artillery, Armor and Cavalry. They won't have many people to shoot at, but they're tougher than boiled owls, have impressive stamina, and will have no problem whatsoever swinging a pulaski or wielding a shovel to put out fires.

2. Combat Engineer units - these units come with earthmoving equipment and dump trucks.

3. Aviation units - leave the Apaches at home, but the UH-60, UH-72 and CH-47 units will be of great use.

4. Military Intelligence units - image interpreters will be able to analyze overhead of the fireground to tell firefighters where to go, and human intelligence assets can deal with refugees in a humane manner. In Southern California many languages are spoken, and the MI Corps has soldiers trained to speak all the world's languages. (I suspect the Army's first response here will be to send every student at the Defense Language Institute Foreign Language Center in Monterey, CA, into the fire zone.)

5. Signal Corps units - considering that many of the cell towers people rely on are gone, the Signal Corps' heavy multichannel and long-range troposcatter systems will enable first responders to communicate.

6. Transportation Corps units - you NEVER have enough trucks in an emergency. They have plenty.

7. Maintenance units - goes without saying.

8. Service and Supply units - no one does logistics better than the Army.

9. Petroleum supply units - in the Army you don't go to the gas station, the gas station comes to you. They have 5000-gallon fuel tankers that can bring fuel right to the firefighters.

10. Unmanned Aerial Systems - the military has a wide selection of UAS all carrying cameras and real-time downlinks.

11. Military Police units - the Posse Comitatus Act says Military Police cannot enforce laws in the civilian sector. The Posse Comitatus Act does NOT say MPs can't direct traffic, and they're great at it.

12. Water Purification units - with the Reverse Osmosis Water Purification Units these guys have they can turn raw sewage or seawater into drinkable water all the day long.

13. Laundry and Bath units - this isn't a critical-to-survival thing, but hot showers do a lot toward building morale.

The very first unit they should send in is the 1st Marine Division. 1 MARDIV's advantage is they are Right There - Camp Pendleton is the closest base with a ground combat unit to Los Angeles. That unit, and the recruits from Marine Corps Recruit Depot San Diego, can be battling the blazes before they can get the two closest Army divisions, which are at Fort Carson, CO, and Joint Base Lewis-McChord, WA, to Los Angeles. There are also several Navy bases in California, and all sailors are trained to fight fire.

yagotme

(4,126 posts)
43. You want to have them killed?
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 11:34 AM
Jan 2025
That unit, and the recruits from Marine Corps Recruit Depot San Diego, can be battling the blazes


Putting untrained personnel in front of a fast moving, raging fire is asking for a suicide mission.

jmowreader

(52,842 posts)
46. They send prisoners to fight wildfire and get them back alive
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 02:26 PM
Jan 2025

Recruits are more disciplined than inmates, so I think they’ll be okay.

doc03

(38,754 posts)
21. They could like set off a nuke in the desert to redirect the wind. Just guessing
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 08:37 AM
Jan 2025

what Trump would do.

EarthFirst

(3,907 posts)
6. Maybe the mechanized engineer units can bulldoze the winds back east?
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 07:28 AM
Jan 2025

Or maybe they could work on the physics behind increasing water pressure…

womanofthehills

(10,675 posts)
39. They don't have enough equipment for new fires
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 10:50 AM
Jan 2025

Much is still at first fires. They are getting some fire fighters from other western states but it’s off season for firefighters.

Response to Cattledog (Original post)

Cattledog

(6,568 posts)
17. With 2,000 buildings burned and 130,000 evacuated and zero containment more help is needed.
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 07:59 AM
Jan 2025

carpetbagger

(5,401 posts)
40. When the wind is 70mph....
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 10:55 AM
Jan 2025

A declaration of any containment, even in a fire that's being well managed, is the act of people who direct hurricanes with sharpies.

DoD can provide some support, but it's a sluggish machine designed for war and not a first responder pool. Expectations that they show up on the TV produces reality TV.

Mike 03

(18,690 posts)
19. I had KNX on all night and they are talking as if the
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 08:02 AM
Jan 2025

situation has improved dramatically. Nobody in Los Angeles is asking for this.

Voltaire2

(15,377 posts)
23. As usual, posters here are regurgitating the rightwing panic propaganda
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 09:09 AM
Jan 2025

We have learned nothing.

Response to Voltaire2 (Reply #23)

MayReasonRule

(3,995 posts)
32. Hm, Perhaps... I Listen To A Wide Swath Of Radio News Via Radio Garden
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 09:38 AM
Jan 2025

Opinions have widely varied from "great improvement" to "no matter the lack of fire what we have is a mass disaster..."

So opinions have widely varied as well regarding how to best proceed with disaster response.

I haven't heard local news sources in the area of the fire posit bringing in the U.S. Military, although of course they would be a stellar resource.

This isn't California's first rodeo, nonetheless I'd suspect state officials have long been in contact with federal officials and that what most needs to happen will happen rather quickly.

The rest will take a great deal of time.

yorkster

(3,628 posts)
34. I think the NG has already been called.up
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 09:41 AM
Jan 2025

by Gov. Newsom. Saw that yesterday on the telly.

getagrip_already

(17,798 posts)
35. Yes, unless nationalized by potus......
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 10:06 AM
Jan 2025

Other states will offer NG assistance if needed. And the army can loan the NG logitical and material support if needed for things like MASH units, power generation, water distribution, temporary housing, communications, etc.

But it would all be funneled through NG infrastructure.

What i don't know is what would happen if a potus, for example, order the NG to stand down and stand by. My guess is his/her authority supersedes the governor and the NG would have to follow orders.

Response to Cattledog (Original post)

RobinA

(10,464 posts)
41. Well, Doesn't Biden
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 10:58 AM
Jan 2025

create and steer hurricanes? So I would expect him to have his way with a fire. I would suspect he started the fire, but I'm sure he wouldn't burn down a blue state.

Progressive dog

(7,561 posts)
42. Nuclear Weapons and maybe artillery
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 11:28 AM
Jan 2025

could end the fires quickly. Without water shells (to drown the fires), they are not going to be much help.

Isn't the governor responsible for calling out the national guard, anyway?

Kid Berwyn

(22,609 posts)
44. May be necessary to prevent the spread of fire.
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 11:50 AM
Jan 2025

May be necessary to restore public safety.

May be necessary to prevent looting, etc.

One thing that is not necessary are the DUers crapping on the OP for stating an opinion. Feel free to disagree. There is no need to disparage someone for expressing an idea.

 

Mountainguy

(2,145 posts)
50. If all our jets fly as fast as possible in reverse
Mon Jan 13, 2025, 01:04 PM
Jan 2025

Rotation to earth we might be able to reverse the flow of time and stop the fires from ever starting!

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