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Walleye
(37,137 posts)They can't bring more water and they have to stop the wind first.
Walleye
(37,137 posts)Renew Deal
(83,370 posts)But it's moving pretty fast, might be a bit much to ask.
Renew Deal
(83,370 posts)What about the Air Force of the space force?
2naSalit
(94,568 posts)Hadn't put a lot of thought into that aspect.
Spaceforce could get president leon to set up a big rocket to blow out the fires! Yeah, yeah, that's it!
speak easy
(11,041 posts)Renew Deal
(83,370 posts)LeftInTX
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Cattledog
(6,464 posts)traffic control, and food distribution etc.
Bettie
(17,572 posts)the National Guard.
jmowreader
(51,743 posts)1. Combat Arms units - Infantry, Field Artillery, Air Defense Artillery, Armor and Cavalry. They won't have many people to shoot at, but they're tougher than boiled owls, have impressive stamina, and will have no problem whatsoever swinging a pulaski or wielding a shovel to put out fires.
2. Combat Engineer units - these units come with earthmoving equipment and dump trucks.
3. Aviation units - leave the Apaches at home, but the UH-60, UH-72 and CH-47 units will be of great use.
4. Military Intelligence units - image interpreters will be able to analyze overhead of the fireground to tell firefighters where to go, and human intelligence assets can deal with refugees in a humane manner. In Southern California many languages are spoken, and the MI Corps has soldiers trained to speak all the world's languages. (I suspect the Army's first response here will be to send every student at the Defense Language Institute Foreign Language Center in Monterey, CA, into the fire zone.)
5. Signal Corps units - considering that many of the cell towers people rely on are gone, the Signal Corps' heavy multichannel and long-range troposcatter systems will enable first responders to communicate.
6. Transportation Corps units - you NEVER have enough trucks in an emergency. They have plenty.
7. Maintenance units - goes without saying.
8. Service and Supply units - no one does logistics better than the Army.
9. Petroleum supply units - in the Army you don't go to the gas station, the gas station comes to you. They have 5000-gallon fuel tankers that can bring fuel right to the firefighters.
10. Unmanned Aerial Systems - the military has a wide selection of UAS all carrying cameras and real-time downlinks.
11. Military Police units - the Posse Comitatus Act says Military Police cannot enforce laws in the civilian sector. The Posse Comitatus Act does NOT say MPs can't direct traffic, and they're great at it.
12. Water Purification units - with the Reverse Osmosis Water Purification Units these guys have they can turn raw sewage or seawater into drinkable water all the day long.
13. Laundry and Bath units - this isn't a critical-to-survival thing, but hot showers do a lot toward building morale.
The very first unit they should send in is the 1st Marine Division. 1 MARDIV's advantage is they are Right There - Camp Pendleton is the closest base with a ground combat unit to Los Angeles. That unit, and the recruits from Marine Corps Recruit Depot San Diego, can be battling the blazes before they can get the two closest Army divisions, which are at Fort Carson, CO, and Joint Base Lewis-McChord, WA, to Los Angeles. There are also several Navy bases in California, and all sailors are trained to fight fire.
Walleye
(37,137 posts)yagotme
(4,029 posts)Putting untrained personnel in front of a fast moving, raging fire is asking for a suicide mission.
jmowreader
(51,743 posts)Recruits are more disciplined than inmates, so I think theyll be okay.
yagotme
(4,029 posts)Volunteer, trained, prisoner firefighters?
2naSalit
(94,568 posts)Stop the wind?
doc03
(37,227 posts)what Trump would do.
Whiskeytide
(4,518 posts)travelingthrulife
(1,303 posts)EarthFirst
(3,324 posts)Or maybe they could work on the physics behind increasing water pressure
Patton French
(1,238 posts)NT
womanofthehills
(9,435 posts)Much is still at first fires. They are getting some fire fighters from other western states but its off season for firefighters.
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Voltaire2
(15,061 posts)erodriguez
(806 posts)Cattledog
(6,464 posts)yardwork
(65,101 posts)carpetbagger
(5,003 posts)A declaration of any containment, even in a fire that's being well managed, is the act of people who direct hurricanes with sharpies.
DoD can provide some support, but it's a sluggish machine designed for war and not a first responder pool. Expectations that they show up on the TV produces reality TV.
Mike 03
(17,897 posts)situation has improved dramatically. Nobody in Los Angeles is asking for this.
Voltaire2
(15,061 posts)We have learned nothing.
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carpetbagger
(5,003 posts)KS Toronado
(20,110 posts)MayReasonRule
(2,027 posts)Opinions have widely varied from "great improvement" to "no matter the lack of fire what we have is a mass disaster..."
So opinions have widely varied as well regarding how to best proceed with disaster response.
I haven't heard local news sources in the area of the fire posit bringing in the U.S. Military, although of course they would be a stellar resource.
This isn't California's first rodeo, nonetheless I'd suspect state officials have long been in contact with federal officials and that what most needs to happen will happen rather quickly.
The rest will take a great deal of time.
doc03
(37,227 posts)yorkster
(2,618 posts)by Gov. Newsom. Saw that yesterday on the telly.
getagrip_already
(17,619 posts)Other states will offer NG assistance if needed. And the army can loan the NG logitical and material support if needed for things like MASH units, power generation, water distribution, temporary housing, communications, etc.
But it would all be funneled through NG infrastructure.
What i don't know is what would happen if a potus, for example, order the NG to stand down and stand by. My guess is his/her authority supersedes the governor and the NG would have to follow orders.
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yardwork
(65,101 posts)tenderfoot
(8,982 posts)Do you live here?
BannonsLiver
(18,469 posts)RobinA
(10,222 posts)create and steer hurricanes? So I would expect him to have his way with a fire. I would suspect he started the fire, but I'm sure he wouldn't burn down a blue state.
Progressive dog
(7,318 posts)could end the fires quickly. Without water shells (to drown the fires), they are not going to be much help.
Isn't the governor responsible for calling out the national guard, anyway?
Kid Berwyn
(18,850 posts)May be necessary to restore public safety.
May be necessary to prevent looting, etc.
One thing that is not necessary are the DUers crapping on the OP for stating an opinion. Feel free to disagree. There is no need to disparage someone for expressing an idea.
Mountainguy
(1,195 posts)Rotation to earth we might be able to reverse the flow of time and stop the fires from ever starting!
moose65
(3,346 posts)LA isn't burning to the ground.
Do you have any idea just how big LA is?