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orangecrush

(27,922 posts)
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 10:39 PM Jan 2025

Chuck Schumer says Democrats would support renaming the Gulf of Mexico if Trump works with them to lower costs

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer said on Wednesday that Democrats were open to President-elect Donald Trump's idea of renaming the Gulf of Mexico to the "Gulf of America."

However, he noted that he'd only do so if Trump works with Democrats on "an actual plan to lower costs for Americans."

"That is what the American people want us to focus on first, not on renaming bodies of water," Schumer said in a floor speech, adding that his party's priorities "are so much more closely aligned with the concerns of the American people than Donald Trump's seem to be.

Trump floated the idea at a press conference at Mar-a-Lago on Tuesday, where he also refused to rule out the use of military force to take control of Greenland or the Panama Canal.

The Democratic leader's comments essentially amount to a challenge to Trump to focus on the economic issues that helped him regain the presidency, rather than merely changing names.

https://www.businessinsider.com/chuck-schumer-renaming-gulf-mexico-trump-lowering-costs-2025-1


We have been thrown overboard.

We are deeply and truly fucked.


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Chuck Schumer says Democrats would support renaming the Gulf of Mexico if Trump works with them to lower costs (Original Post) orangecrush Jan 2025 OP
Has everyone in D.C. gone crazy? Irish_Dem Jan 2025 #1
That's exactly why Schumer made the "offer" of going along Ocelot II Jan 2025 #5
Well some of our leadership is making me nervous. Irish_Dem Jan 2025 #12
He's fucking with Trump. Screaming at everything he says or does doesn't tame him. OrlandoDem2 Jan 2025 #55
Agree - this is good framing HereForTheParty Jan 2025 #61
Last few times I've heard Schumer speak publicly, have sensed a note of allegorical oracle Jan 2025 #66
The answer to trump kacekwl Jan 2025 #28
Neville Chamberlain found out appeasing Hitler did not work. Irish_Dem Jan 2025 #45
Schumer's offer The Unmitigated Gall Jan 2025 #32
Schumer knows Trump can't formally rename the Gulf of Mexico Ocelot II Jan 2025 #2
I agree but it's too clever by far Prairie Gates Jan 2025 #10
You're correct. The optics are shit. harumph Jan 2025 #20
schumer is always a disappointment to me. Do not give ANY credence to Traitor travelingthrulife Jan 2025 #29
I don't think I'm allowed to enumerate the reasons I don't like Schumer. LakeArenal Jan 2025 #59
Not allowed? Unladen Swallow Jan 2025 #64
You Said It RobinA Jan 2025 #60
I would like to see a new Senate leader on our side. ecstatic Jan 2025 #3
We're probably stuck with him for 10-15 years minimum. BannonsLiver Jan 2025 #54
Schumer. 😤 Deuxcents Jan 2025 #4
Don't you get what Schumer just did? Ocelot II Jan 2025 #7
Well, sorta still not-O.K. UTUSN Jan 2025 #11
I agree, whatever the subtle nuance happens to be, wrong move. Irish_Dem Jan 2025 #13
Thank you. UTUSN Jan 2025 #21
Agree. CrispyQ Jan 2025 #58
Ya know, I really don't. All TSF hears is the Dems will work with him. I want a fighter, not a game player Deuxcents Jan 2025 #14
He also knows Trump won't do shit to lower prices. GoCubsGo Jan 2025 #19
Schumer shouldn't make statements that appear SharonClark Jan 2025 #27
+1 dalton99a Jan 2025 #33
He should not say they will work with him on this nonsense. Why say it? travelingthrulife Jan 2025 #30
No, no, no. Why can't Schumer just say its a stupid fucking idea! The clown needs to be humiliated not placated.. Solomon Jan 2025 #42
I Get It... TY! Totally Trolling , IMO. Cha Jan 2025 #67
Not funny, Chuck. Quiet Em Jan 2025 #6
This better be a joke UTUSN Jan 2025 #8
If it is a joke, he needs to stick to his day job and let Jimmy Kimmel handle the comedy. Irish_Dem Jan 2025 #16
And KIMMEL could do both jobs. UTUSN Jan 2025 #22
We need new leadership. Someone like Senator Whitehouse Deuxcents Jan 2025 #24
I'd go with Klobuchar nt Mark.b Jan 2025 #52
The Gulf of Mexico surrounds and touches many countries. fargone Jan 2025 #9
WTF Chuck?! Unladen Swallow Jan 2025 #15
Our House and Senate appear to be just for show now. jalan48 Jan 2025 #17
another scam website requiring login or account nt msongs Jan 2025 #18
Odd. No login or account needed for me. nt Moosepoop Jan 2025 #36
here Celerity Jan 2025 #38
At first glance it seems crazy but it's actually a good move. live love laugh Jan 2025 #23
Dumbing it down to their level is the wrong move Quiet Em Jan 2025 #25
No. You're right with the first part. It's a dumb move. Self Esteem Jan 2025 #31
I would support a name change if, in keeping with naming traditions, he would drop dead. unblock Jan 2025 #26
Basically, let's negotiate dalton99a Jan 2025 #34
This has to be satire or fake news Bobstandard Jan 2025 #35
How about the Gulf of Brawndo? nt Gore1FL Jan 2025 #37
Trump Kills Rose Garden by Watering It with Brawndo the Thirst Mutilator Celerity Jan 2025 #39
It's got electrolytes orangecrush Jan 2025 #48
Plants crave them! nt Gore1FL Jan 2025 #49
Smart move. William769 Jan 2025 #40
Of course he would - it's imperialism malaise Jan 2025 #41
Making fun of Trump for ignoring what the American people want to obsess about nonsense he can't do betsuni Jan 2025 #43
Take it back, Schumer---right fucking NOW. Paladin Jan 2025 #44
Pretty much the actions of the majority of elected dems like schumer are why I'm changing my registration Blue_Adept Jan 2025 #46
Oh brother Patton French Jan 2025 #47
Stop playing nice. Hotler Jan 2025 #50
Mexico was here long before the US was & we have no control over naming the Gulf Callie1979 Jan 2025 #51
A doormat comes to mind. BannonsLiver Jan 2025 #53
Ditto to your last two sentences. CrispyQ Jan 2025 #56
Fuck that! G_j Jan 2025 #57
No thank you. Passages Jan 2025 #62
Jesus Christ ck4829 Jan 2025 #63
Trump can change the name on his first day in office: robbob Jan 2025 #65

Irish_Dem

(78,878 posts)
1. Has everyone in D.C. gone crazy?
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 10:43 PM
Jan 2025

1. Trump will NEVER do anything to help the American people.

2. Trump will never compromise with the Dems.

3. Trump will break any deal he makes.

4. Are we going to give in to Trump's insanity and enable and encourage it?

5. The US has become the dysfunctional family from hell. Appeasing and coddling the trouble makers.

Ocelot II

(128,702 posts)
5. That's exactly why Schumer made the "offer" of going along
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 10:51 PM
Jan 2025

with changing the name of the Gulf of Mexico, which Trump can't actually do on an internationally-recognized basis (it's international waters, and the US owns only the 1st 12 miles off its coast), if Trump agrees to do something Schumer knows Trump will never do. So he's not making a deal at all; he's just fucking with Trump.

Irish_Dem

(78,878 posts)
12. Well some of our leadership is making me nervous.
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 10:58 PM
Jan 2025

Appearing to kiss the ring is a bridge too far.

OrlandoDem2

(3,139 posts)
55. He's fucking with Trump. Screaming at everything he says or does doesn't tame him.
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 10:32 AM
Jan 2025

And the American people didn’t support that approach either, albeit by a small margin. We gotta be smarter and trolling him is the way to go.

I applaud Schumer here.

 

HereForTheParty

(915 posts)
61. Agree - this is good framing
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 10:59 AM
Jan 2025

We'll indulge you toddler games if we can do some real work, too.

allegorical oracle

(6,107 posts)
66. Last few times I've heard Schumer speak publicly, have sensed a note of
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 12:57 PM
Jan 2025

equivocation. Possible that he's past his "sell by" date. If TSF even thinks he smells fear it heightens his aggression.

Irish_Dem

(78,878 posts)
45. Neville Chamberlain found out appeasing Hitler did not work.
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 06:48 AM
Jan 2025

It only emboldened Hitler more.

The Unmitigated Gall

(4,710 posts)
32. Schumer's offer
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 12:11 AM
Jan 2025

Calls the Degenerate Scumbag out and demonstrates how bankrupt and corrupt his policies are to the millions of Americans who stupidly voted for him.
We need stronger tea than this, though.

Ocelot II

(128,702 posts)
2. Schumer knows Trump can't formally rename the Gulf of Mexico
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 10:48 PM
Jan 2025

in a way that any other country would have to recognize. https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article298173548.html. He also knows that Trump will not work with Democrats on "an actual plan to lower costs for Americans." So he's offering to agree to do something that can't be done in exchange for something Trump won't do. In other words, he's telling Trump to eat shit without actually saying it.

Prairie Gates

(7,031 posts)
10. I agree but it's too clever by far
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 10:54 PM
Jan 2025

The only thing anyone will hear (as evidenced in this very thread) is "We'll work with President Trump," which sounds fucking weak and knee-bended. "Oh, I was being a very clever boy, offering to agree to something I can't do in exchange for blah blah blah."

Fuckssake.

Here: "Renaming the Gulf of Mexico is a ridiculous and stupid idea, like most of the ideas from this real estate low life."

That's what he shoudl have said. Dems better learn quick. Or quicker, anyway.

harumph

(3,064 posts)
20. You're correct. The optics are shit.
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 11:14 PM
Jan 2025

I think the term is "too clever by half."

Adjective
too clever by half

(idiomatic, of a person, plan, theory, etc.) Shrewd but flawed by overthinking or excessive complexity, with a resulting tendency to be unreliable or unsuccessful.

LakeArenal

(29,949 posts)
59. I don't think I'm allowed to enumerate the reasons I don't like Schumer.
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 10:47 AM
Jan 2025

But I haven’t “liked” his actions for years.

ecstatic

(34,992 posts)
3. I would like to see a new Senate leader on our side.
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 10:49 PM
Jan 2025

I just don't think Schumer is effective.

BannonsLiver

(20,180 posts)
54. We're probably stuck with him for 10-15 years minimum.
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 10:28 AM
Jan 2025

He’s 74, but in the senate that’s considered your prime years.

Ocelot II

(128,702 posts)
7. Don't you get what Schumer just did?
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 10:53 PM
Jan 2025

He knows Trump can't rename the Gulf officially, and he knows Trump will never agree to work with Democrats on anything. He's trolling. There's no quid for there to be a quo.

CrispyQ

(40,562 posts)
58. Agree.
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 10:38 AM
Jan 2025

Don't encourage him. Don't even play to the idea that it could be done. The dems clearly don't have a common strategy, if they have a strategy at all.

Deuxcents

(25,208 posts)
14. Ya know, I really don't. All TSF hears is the Dems will work with him. I want a fighter, not a game player
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 11:00 PM
Jan 2025

As the leader in the Senate.

GoCubsGo

(34,610 posts)
19. He also knows Trump won't do shit to lower prices.
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 11:14 PM
Jan 2025

Trump already admitted that it's hard to do that--after promising he would. He's full of shit, and Schumer is highlighting that fact here.

SharonClark

(10,497 posts)
27. Schumer shouldn't make statements that appear
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 11:52 PM
Jan 2025

that he will go along with Trump‘s ridiculous idea. It makes Democrats look as stupid as Trump and adds legitimacy to the idea.

Solomon

(12,628 posts)
42. No, no, no. Why can't Schumer just say its a stupid fucking idea! The clown needs to be humiliated not placated..
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 04:32 AM
Jan 2025

Irish_Dem

(78,878 posts)
16. If it is a joke, he needs to stick to his day job and let Jimmy Kimmel handle the comedy.
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 11:00 PM
Jan 2025

Deuxcents

(25,208 posts)
24. We need new leadership. Someone like Senator Whitehouse
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 11:27 PM
Jan 2025

I’ve had enough of the same ol’ same ol’. These no one is above the law or we don’t negotiate with terrorists don’t mean a thing anymore and TSF is a terrorist who has n never will serve a minute for his crimes and misdemeanors. The old guard needs to step aside and mentor, give advice on how the system can work when the opposition has all three branches of government. We are not just facing a dangerous president elect..he has the Project 2025 people, the SC and lower courts he’s stack for this very reason and that is to dismantle this country. Mamby pamby retorts aren’t how we need to respond.

fargone

(536 posts)
9. The Gulf of Mexico surrounds and touches many countries.
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 10:54 PM
Jan 2025

What gives US the authority to unilaterally rename it? Of course we already print maps with distances labeled in miles instead of km like the rest of the world.

jalan48

(14,914 posts)
17. Our House and Senate appear to be just for show now.
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 11:01 PM
Jan 2025

As long as the formal structure and process is maintained Americans will think things are OK. The Oligarchs call the shots and their puppets dance for the people.

Celerity

(53,403 posts)
38. here
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 01:20 AM
Jan 2025


https://archive.ph/XcJEp



Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer said on Wednesday that Democrats were open to President-elect Donald Trump's idea of renaming the Gulf of Mexico to the "Gulf of America." However, he noted that he'd only do so if Trump works with Democrats on "an actual plan to lower costs for Americans."

"That is what the American people want us to focus on first, not on renaming bodies of water," Schumer said in a floor speech, adding that his party's priorities "are so much more closely aligned with the concerns of the American people than Donald Trump's seem to be." Trump floated the idea at a press conference at Mar-a-Lago on Tuesday, where he also refused to rule out the use of military force to take control of Greenland or the Panama Canal.

The Democratic leader's comments essentially amount to a challenge to Trump to focus on the economic issues that helped him regain the presidency, rather than merely changing names. Over the next several years, Democrats will be making the case that their economic agenda is more beneficial for the working class than Trump's.

"Renaming the Gulf of Mexico may be a zany new idea, but it isn't going to help people save money at the grocery store. It's not going to make trips to the pharmacy more affordable," Schumer said. "If Donald Trump wants to rename a gulf to sound more patriotic, I'd say we will help him on one condition and only one condition: let's come up with a real plan first — not a concept of a plan — to lower prices for Americans."

live love laugh

(16,132 posts)
23. At first glance it seems crazy but it's actually a good move.
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 11:24 PM
Jan 2025

He took advantage of Republicans’ sheer lunacy to message FOR the people.

I would like to see more of this.

Quiet Em

(2,509 posts)
25. Dumbing it down to their level is the wrong move
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 11:27 PM
Jan 2025

No good can come of it. Bad, ineffective and useless attempt at humor.

 

Self Esteem

(2,248 posts)
31. No. You're right with the first part. It's a dumb move.
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 12:06 AM
Jan 2025

A really fucking dumb move. It doesn't take advantage of the Republicans' lunacy. In fact, it does the opposite: it only legitimizes Trump's craziness.

In no world should any Democrat 'go along' with Trump on renaming the Gulf of Mexico. It just makes his whole proposition look less insane. Instead, Schumer should have said that Donald Trump is focused on trivial, bullshit issues instead of focusing on the real problems facing Americans.

This ain't hard but boy do Democrats make it hard.

Celerity

(53,403 posts)
39. Trump Kills Rose Garden by Watering It with Brawndo the Thirst Mutilator
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 01:31 AM
Jan 2025
https://hikinginthelight.us/trump-kills-rose-garden-by-demanding-it-be-watered-with-brawndo-the-thirst-mutilator/



The White House—The famous Rose Garden, in existence since 1913, is no more. After months of being “watered” with Brawndo the Thirst Mutilator at the direction of the President, the Garden is now devoid of plant life.

Stephanie Grisham, the White House Press Secretary, offered only brief remarks on the matter. “We’re looking into this obvious sabotage by the Do-Nothing Democrats,” she said.

“We tried our best and made sure that it received fresh, bottled Brawndo daily—it has electrolytes! It’s got what plants crave. When that didn’t work, we brought in the Brawndo trucks.”

When asked why the White House didn’t water it with something more conventional, such as, say, water, Ms. Grisham rolled her eyes and snorted, “Water’s for toilets.”

betsuni

(28,612 posts)
43. Making fun of Trump for ignoring what the American people want to obsess about nonsense he can't do
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 05:16 AM
Jan 2025

and reminding Americans which party is working on economic issues is now very very bad? Isn't anybody going to call Schumer elite because he used sarcasm? If someone else had said the same thing, it would be praised and fussed over as fighting back.

Paladin

(32,159 posts)
44. Take it back, Schumer---right fucking NOW.
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 06:45 AM
Jan 2025

It is way too early to be cratering to trump over one of his brain-dead wet dreams---i.e., re-naming the Gulf. Take it back, apologize to your fellow Democrats, and move on.

Blue_Adept

(6,496 posts)
46. Pretty much the actions of the majority of elected dems like schumer are why I'm changing my registration
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 06:53 AM
Jan 2025

After 30+ years as a registered dem in a deep blue state, fuck these guys. Off to independent land.

Callie1979

(1,059 posts)
51. Mexico was here long before the US was & we have no control over naming the Gulf
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 09:56 AM
Jan 2025

Trump can call it whatever he wants but the rest of the world will call it the Gulf of Mexico

CrispyQ

(40,562 posts)
56. Ditto to your last two sentences.
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 10:34 AM
Jan 2025

I changed to unaffiliated when Biden said he thought he would have won. Personally, I think he would have lost by more & that was a damned sorry insult to Harris & Walz, who IMO ran a practically flawless campaign. For the record, I was one of Biden's last supporters before he stepped aside.

I'll vote dem & support dems but I'm tired of the old guard. That's not to say all the older people are fogies but I like the fight I see in the younger gen dems & old guard attitudes aren't serving us well.

on edit: Adding a link to this DU discussion.

Jennifer Rubin: Dems picked the wrong senator for Senate Judiciary leadership
https://democraticunderground.com/100219885158

I wasn't aware that Dick Durbin let John Roberts slide on answering questions about SCOTUS ethics.

robbob

(3,738 posts)
65. Trump can change the name on his first day in office:
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 12:45 PM
Jan 2025

He has a Sharpie, doesn’t he? If he can redirect the route of a hurricane with the stroke of his pen he can damn sure change the name to whatever he wants! 😂

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