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Celerity

(47,146 posts)
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 02:04 PM Wednesday

Social Media Has Ruined American Politics



Normal debates and disagreements have been replaced by personal attacks, anger, and cynicism.

https://www.liberalpatriot.com/p/social-media-has-ruined-american



There’s an interesting movement afoot in education circles to ban smart phone and social media use in schools. As of late 2024, eight states including a mix of blue and red, big and small ones (CA, FL, IN, LA, MN, OH, SC, and VA) have passed statewide bans or restrictions on cell phone use during class time in K-12 schools. The rationale for these policies is straightforward: cell phone and social media use in school is a massive distraction that negatively impacts teaching and subject matter concentration while adversely affecting young people’s mental health and contributing to bullying and other forms of antisocial behavior.

Parents, students, teachers, and administrators may disagree about the negative effects of phones in schools, or question specific implementation policies, but most seem to understand that some boundaries are needed to curtail phone use during classroom time. More than a decade of widespread phone and social media use has led different groups of Americans across the country toward a similar conclusion that excessive use of these devices and platforms is not good for us—especially for impressionable young people. We should therefore expect more states to investigate this approach and pass school bans or restrictions in the future.

The bigger question is why Americans don’t apply this same logic and personal experience about phone and social media use to adults who are just as distracted and negatively impacted by social media platforms as their kids, even if few will admit it. How much time does the average person waste on their phone (or other device) scrolling through asinine or anger-inducing stuff on TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, X, or YouTube? A lot if we are honest with ourselves.

Although these tools do provide easy-to-use mechanisms for information gathering and idea sharing, they have quickly developed into funhouse mirrors that amplify the absolute worst traits of human beings. People on social media are often rash, vain, mean, deceptive, or full of malicious intent. For every good social media feed presenting valuable and reliable information there are ten others pushing out-of-context clips and quotes, inflammatory opinions, fabrications, and outright lies. The more we encounter other people who embody these traits on social media the worse it gets for everyone. Our instincts, along with the platform algorithms themselves, encourage us to either fight or flee from these interactions. But we also passively absorb a ton of social media nonsense every day—through morbid fascination and screen addiction—and it’s wearing us down and making us dumber.

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Social Media Has Ruined American Politics (Original Post) Celerity Wednesday OP
Right-wing AM hate radio kicked down the door so social media could ooze through it. Aristus Wednesday #1
Absolutely NewHendoLib Wednesday #3
And no effort was made... Wuddles440 Wednesday #8
What percentage of the population listened to RW radio? Kaleva Wednesday #11
As you didn't specify a time period, Wuddles440 Wednesday #12
Your sources? Kaleva Wednesday #14
You obviously have access... Wuddles440 Wednesday #19
Isn't up to you to back up your claims? Kaleva Wednesday #20
Post removed Post removed Wednesday #21
Then provide a link. I'd like to read it . Kaleva Wednesday #22
You must be in that... Wuddles440 Wednesday #23
The rub is where the influence. cachukis Wednesday #27
The biggest influence may be in the urban areas Kaleva Thursday #30
Wait a second. Unladen Swallow Wednesday #26
It really is non stop liberal/Democrats bashing spapeggy Wednesday #16
It was also at a time when long commutes Johonny Wednesday #24
George Noory and Art Bell Unladen Swallow Thursday #33
It, and TV " news", is destroying the world NewHendoLib Wednesday #2
The rise in fascism is definitely not a uniquely American problem. Initech Wednesday #6
When I am out and about running errands and visiting businesses... pandr32 Wednesday #4
I don't think there are any easy answers. Jim__ Wednesday #5
Will be worse with AI keeping us addicted flamingdem Wednesday #7
I keep predicting the AI movement is going to end with a lot of computers in dumpsters. Initech Wednesday #9
I know right? flamingdem Wednesday #17
They've ruined the entire human experience. sinkingfeeling Wednesday #10
The Printing press malaise Wednesday #13
The right wing side isn't really about policy either JI7 Wednesday #15
They're a cult manipulated by dommies. usonian Wednesday #29
They ruined before social media tenderfoot Wednesday #18
No, money is what has ruined American politics republianmushroom Wednesday #25
Social media should be banned for anyone OVER 12. usonian Wednesday #28
Social Media has dry rotted the American psychic. nt William769 Thursday #31
Tik Tok is the worst because it caters to young people and pays them to make videos. LeftInTX Thursday #32
Citizens United, hate radio and fox news ruined America. Personal attacks, anger, and cynicism. Autumn Thursday #34

Aristus

(68,769 posts)
1. Right-wing AM hate radio kicked down the door so social media could ooze through it.
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 02:06 PM
Wednesday

It’s been forty years in the making.

Wuddles440

(1,464 posts)
8. And no effort was made...
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 02:28 PM
Wednesday

for any counter-programming on the AM frequency. The right wing realized that a significant segment of the population still patronized that medium and seized the opportunity to bombard that audience with their propaganda. Those listeners are now rabid consumers of all conservative media and reliable supporters of the Republican/MAGA party.

Wuddles440

(1,464 posts)
12. As you didn't specify a time period,
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 04:47 PM
Wednesday

but we'll use several studies that were done in 2007 as an example. With over 50 million regular listeners of radio, approximately 92% (46 million) were consuming conservative programming. Limbaugh alone had over 20 million listeners during his peak years. And it's highly probable that these listeners would have influenced family, friends, and other members of society with the 'wisdom' that they gleaned from the broadcasts. If you're dismissive or skeptical of the impact that conservative radio programming had in creating the current political environment, so be it. After decades of disciplined, repetitive messaging, the MAGAT power brokers are now celebrating their grand achievement and ultimate goal.

Kaleva

(38,715 posts)
14. Your sources?
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 05:16 PM
Wednesday

20 million would be less then 10% of the adult population.

"In 2009, Arbitron, the American radio industry's largest audience-measurement company at the time (since subsumed into its television counterpart Nielsen), said that "the job of determining number of listeners for (any particular program or host) is too complicated, expensive and difficult for them to bother with.""

"In addition to Talkers' independent analyses, radio companies of all formats include estimates of the audience in news releases. The nature of news releases allows radio companies to inflate their listener totals by obscuring the difference between listeners at any given time, cumulative listenership over a time frame, and potential audience"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most-listened-to_radio_programs

Kaleva

(38,715 posts)
20. Isn't up to you to back up your claims?
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 09:17 PM
Wednesday

I would think you'd be able to provide a link to your source(s) within a matter of a few minutes. Assuming you actually got your info from reputable sources

Response to Kaleva (Reply #20)

Wuddles440

(1,464 posts)
23. You must be in that...
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 09:39 PM
Wednesday

Faux, OAN or Newsmax bubble. Seriously, stay in your lane with your own kind. Goodbye, troll.

cachukis

(2,788 posts)
27. The rub is where the influence.
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 10:37 PM
Wednesday

Blue states generally elect blue candidates with sizeable majorities. The same can be said for red states. If you have 20 million listeners across sparsely populated states, that number is sizeable. Truckers running from Kansas City to Carson City got Rush all the way. There are more red states and have greater power than their populations warrant.

Kaleva

(38,715 posts)
30. The biggest influence may be in the urban areas
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 03:17 AM
Thursday

In Mi, Trump got about 70% of his votes from counties classified by the Census Bureau as urban.

I think it'd be interesting to map out where the stations that would be considered RW radio are located.

I live in the western part of red, rural Upper Michigan and there are no such stations here. Music, religious, NPR and when I'm in the central part of the Upper Peninsula , I can get sports talk.

 

Unladen Swallow

(491 posts)
26. Wait a second.
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 10:31 PM
Wednesday

92% were listening to conservative programming? Like talk radio? Or is there such a thing as "conservative" music stations? Because for the entirety of my life, I've literally known ONE person who listened to talk radio (of any kind) for every 25 that listened to music.... Your numbers seem.... off.....

 

spapeggy

(130 posts)
16. It really is non stop liberal/Democrats bashing
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 05:22 PM
Wednesday

It’s really messed up, the lengths these people go to shoehorn liberal bashing into a story and they do it ever single time.

Johonny

(22,433 posts)
24. It was also at a time when long commutes
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 10:01 PM
Wednesday

From white suburbs to urban centers were common. There was no cell phones. You either listened to music, AM sports talk or AM Limbaugh. Listening to music was repetitive and AM radio was appealing very similar to why the Today show was so popular at the time. It was common. I listened to AM radio. Saying people listen to AM talk radio was like saying people without cable watched UHF stations. It is a no duh statement.

 

Unladen Swallow

(491 posts)
33. George Noory and Art Bell
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 10:53 AM
Thursday

Are the only things I ever listened to on AM radio, but that's when I worked midnights. And it was almost two decades ago.

Initech

(102,801 posts)
6. The rise in fascism is definitely not a uniquely American problem.
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 02:18 PM
Wednesday

And it is absolutely something to be alarmed about.

pandr32

(12,371 posts)
4. When I am out and about running errands and visiting businesses...
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 02:10 PM
Wednesday

I see people at work scrolling their phones.
It seems many people are addicted. With land-lines being phased out more people will have their smart phones at hand.

Jim__

(14,539 posts)
5. I don't think there are any easy answers.
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 02:17 PM
Wednesday



We've tried literacy tests for voters and know how easily they can be corrupted.

Initech

(102,801 posts)
9. I keep predicting the AI movement is going to end with a lot of computers in dumpsters.
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 02:33 PM
Wednesday

I hope.

JI7

(91,030 posts)
15. The right wing side isn't really about policy either
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 05:18 PM
Wednesday

it's just bringing up random news stories or even just random people on social media and then fearmongering over culture bs.

LeftInTX

(31,180 posts)
32. Tik Tok is the worst because it caters to young people and pays them to make videos.
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 04:07 AM
Thursday

It literally encourages people to say sensational things, just for clicks. They make up stores and dox people. One woman was obsessed with murders in Idaho and claimed a professor was involved. She was sued. But I saw this over and over during a case here in San Antonio. People from all over the country, were "paid" by TikTok to be "psychics" They blamed all sorts of innocent people for crimes.

Overall, I think SM is good, but it is so freak'n abused. With twitter, I get the info I need and get out of their. That's because twitter was designed to quickly spread information. It wasn't designed to spend hours scrolling.

FB is different and more addicting. However, it does offer connections to people. I haven't been on since the "Musk announcement". But I've been active on it for over 10 years and my experience has been positive. I really haven't encountered RWingers unless I end up on a "Texas be like", "Texas memes" page. Some of the Armenian groups have right wingers. However, our Armenian genealogy is strict, "No politics". My gardening groups have the same policies etc.

Autumn

(46,820 posts)
34. Citizens United, hate radio and fox news ruined America. Personal attacks, anger, and cynicism.
Thu Jan 9, 2025, 12:00 PM
Thursday

are the direct result of those three things

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