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Just a theory... (Original Post) BootinUp Tuesday OP
We don't know when he is gaslighting or being honest. Irish_Dem Tuesday #1
Ignore empty threats. And sure some of this is debatable. nt BootinUp Tuesday #3
The facts point to his threats being quite possible. Irish_Dem Tuesday #5
Seriously though, let me know when he actually follows BootinUp Tuesday #6
I am not dismissing the politics. Irish_Dem Wednesday #8
I'd like to come back to this later. Very busy BootinUp Wednesday #12
No. In fact he is NOT "quite capable of doing what he is threatening." stopdiggin Wednesday #16
He is capable of trying to do it, but are there enough people in wnylib Wednesday #18
He has followed through on some of his threats. Irish_Dem Wednesday #11
You don't need to NJCher Wednesday #20
I don't recall him ever being honest 🤔 arthritisR_US Tuesday #7
Sometimes he is being honest. Irish_Dem Wednesday #10
Really good points. When he states his mass destructive arthritisR_US Wednesday #15
it is 'important' in that it is outrageous and completely irresponsible behavior stopdiggin Wednesday #14
Correct. J_William_Ryan Tuesday #2
I like the lame duck qualifier. nt BootinUp Tuesday #4
Agree. He always does this. His outlandish spouting is meant to distract KitFox Wednesday #19
Absolutely JDAcme Wednesday #9
Don't react. H2O Man Wednesday #13
Complete agreement. This plays to his hand. stopdiggin Wednesday #17
When Dump says... kevinore Wednesday #21
it's hard to tell the difference. barbtries Wednesday #22

Irish_Dem

(60,803 posts)
1. We don't know when he is gaslighting or being honest.
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 11:19 PM
Tuesday

Threatening to invade our allies and steal their countries is important and should not be ignored.

Irish_Dem

(60,803 posts)
5. The facts point to his threats being quite possible.
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 11:37 PM
Tuesday

We do not know if it is an empty threat.

It is quite naive and even foolish to dismiss Trump's rantings out of hand.

I used to write reports with risk assessments to determine if people were likely to follow through
on threats and were indeed dangerous.

You gather your data and make a judgement.

Let's look at the facts, data, evidence.

1. Trump has aligned with the world's autocrats. Russia has invaded Ukraine for "national security" reasons.
China plans to do the same with Taiwan for the same stated and bogus reason.

2. Trump is a psychopath and believes everything in the world belongs to him.
From a psychological standpoint he is quite capable of believing other countries belong to him and taking action.

3. The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior. We could write a book about all the things Trump has stolen that do not belong to him.

4. Trump is a long time drug user, mentally ill, and has dementia. He is capable of making bad decisions, being impulsive, and doing outlandish things.

6. Trump is very dangerous and quite capable of carrying out these plans. I don't know if he will actually do it,
but his psych profile indicates he certainly could follow through on his plans.

BootinUp

(49,208 posts)
6. Seriously though, let me know when he actually follows
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 11:47 PM
Tuesday

through or holds firm on one single thing he threatened/promised in 2023-2024.

This is a guy who changes opinions in the same half sentence.

I don't think you see the politics here. But I am still your friend.

Irish_Dem

(60,803 posts)
8. I am not dismissing the politics.
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 12:01 AM
Wednesday

I have been a political junkie since JFK ran for president.
And one of my degrees is in political science.

So I think that many decades of being a close observer of American politics
and having a college degree in the field makes it impossible for me to ignore politics.

It is possible he is loving the attention with his outrageous remarks.
And likes the shock factor. And has a political agenda about all of it.

I am just saying from a clinical and science standpoint he is quite capable of doing
what he is threatening.

To insist his threats are not serious goes against facts and science.

stopdiggin

(13,117 posts)
16. No. In fact he is NOT "quite capable of doing what he is threatening."
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 12:21 AM
Wednesday

And it is radically important that we keep that in mind. Granting this figure imaginary omnipotence and powers - that he does not in fact have in his grasp - serves no one.

wnylib

(25,038 posts)
18. He is capable of trying to do it, but are there enough people in
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 12:34 AM
Wednesday

the military and political positions to back him and actually follow through with his threats?

Irish_Dem

(60,803 posts)
11. He has followed through on some of his threats.
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 12:08 AM
Wednesday

He said J6 "would be wild."

He is being honest when he says he will get revenge on his enemies.
He is being honest when he says he admires Putin and other fascist leaders.
He was honest when he said during the campaign he didn't need votes.

This is just a partial list.

NJCher

(38,421 posts)
20. You don't need to
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 01:47 AM
Wednesday

Claim a degree (again) and having written some reports to gain credibility for this ludicrous claim. All that’s needed is common sense and a modicum of insight into how this guy works, which a poster on this thread has nailed quite sufficiently.

To that claim on Greenland, Canada, et al, I would say yeah you and what army?

Who does he think he is? General O’Neill? O’Neill was a military man who thought he could conquer Canada.

I hope he keeps it up. He is showing the world what an utter fool we have at the helm.

The United States is not to be feared or respected. It is the laughingstock of nations.



Irish_Dem

(60,803 posts)
10. Sometimes he is being honest.
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 12:04 AM
Wednesday

Sometimes he follows through on his threats.

He was honest when he said that J6 "would be wild."

He was honest when he said he didn't need votes during the campaign.
He was honest when he said he would purge Dems in the gov't and get revenge on his enemies.

arthritisR_US

(7,700 posts)
15. Really good points. When he states his mass destructive
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 12:14 AM
Wednesday

yearnings, that’s when he gets into “honest”…this is all so sick😡

stopdiggin

(13,117 posts)
14. it is 'important' in that it is outrageous and completely irresponsible behavior
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 12:13 AM
Wednesday

on the part of any kind of leader - let alone one that stands atop the the mountain ...

And NOT important by any measure of the likelihood of any of it coming to be. And that's a distinction that probably should remain uppermost. In that - the OP has a valid point. We do nobody any good rushing around pretending that we really believe that the military is going to invade Greenland. Not gonna happen. And meanwhile - this guy is just LIVING off all the frantic energy. Don't feed the beast!

J_William_Ryan

(2,311 posts)
2. Correct.
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 11:22 PM
Tuesday

Trump’s bizarre ‘press conference’ today would be an example.

Nonsense about renaming the Gulf of Mexico and retaking the Panama canal are intended to deflect from Trump’s already failing lame duck second term.

KitFox

(126 posts)
19. Agree. He always does this. His outlandish spouting is meant to distract
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 01:02 AM
Wednesday

and the majority of media fall for it and serve his insatiable desire for attention. This was my first thought when I saw that he called another of his “so called press conferences” today and it was the day that President Carter’s solemn procession by caisson from the Naval Memorial to the Capitol and the ceremony following would be in the news. He pathetically cannot stand it unless it is all about him. Like Mary Trump says: “Too much and never enough “.

JDAcme

(15 posts)
9. Absolutely
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 12:03 AM
Wednesday

no need to deal with the truly crazy $hit till they roll out the Twenty Fifth Amendment. Should be sometime around Easter.

stopdiggin

(13,117 posts)
17. Complete agreement. This plays to his hand.
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 12:25 AM
Wednesday

Why lend energy (or even the slightest validation) to the man child's crazy?

kevinore

(57 posts)
21. When Dump says...
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 01:56 AM
Wednesday

Trump isn't a master of anything, many on the left and most on the right believe he is saying something when he isn't. He says "look, a boogeyman," and we turn and scream, "That isn't a boogeyman, that's just a puppy, the right says, "that's not a puppy, that's a boogeyman," and we go back and forth ignoring the serial killer with the AR-15 standing behind us.

barbtries

(30,040 posts)
22. it's hard to tell the difference.
Wed Jan 8, 2025, 02:29 AM
Wednesday

I think oh this greenland, canada, panama BS is just deflection, but ... is it? how can we really know? he's so bent there is literally no way to know how the next several years will play out. will the Courts throw enough wrenches into his plans to keep us fed, housed, and whole? Will he throw his political enemies into gulags? Will he shut down every avenue for democrats and the opposition to organize and resist his worst impulses? Will we even have access to news sources that will report the truth?

how do we know? what is the important stuff?

I'm reading The Book Thief. it's a story that takes place in Germany during the Nazis. it was a devastating time in history. It was sort of a coincidence that I picked up this book at this time, and maybe if I'd known more about what it was I wouldn't have read it at this time. But it is a good book, engaging enough to carry me past the foreboding toward the ending. I still don't know if that ending will be everyone dies or just almost everyone dies. What I cannot do is avoid applying, or comparing this history to this actual historical moment in our history.

There's an old saying that history repeats itself. For years the parallels have been noted and discussed, and here we are. He's going to be president again, after having tried to take down democracy violently just 4 years ago. What will he do now without any guardrails in the form of a cabinet that respects the Constitution and the law? They won't be there this time around. only sycophants and oligarchs. Now add in the richest megalomaniac in the world as his insane sidekick.

How do we know?

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