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Zenlitened

(9,495 posts)
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 05:51 PM Jan 6

Federal Court Rules In Favor of Forcibly Detransitioning Transgender Inmates In Florida

Link below. From the article:

In the final days of 2024, a federal judge in Florida’s Northern District issued a ruling rejecting a preliminary injunction against a new Florida Department of Corrections (FDC) policy targeting transgender inmates. This policy, introduced on September 30, 2024, frames gender dysphoria as a “short-term delusion,” restricting access to gender-affirming care, permitting hormones only in “rare instances” deemed constitutionally necessary. The FDC bulletin also suggests psychotropic medications and psychotherapy as sufficient alternatives to medical transition, ignoring widely accepted medical guidelines.

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), representing plaintiff Reiyn Keohane, challenged the policy, arguing it strips transgender inmates of essential care and dignity. Under the policy, trans women in Florida prisons are denied access to gender-aligned clothing and grooming standards, with confiscation of canteen items and head shaving mandated for non-compliance. According to the ACLU’s October 2024 complaint, inmates face invasive examinations to assess breast size for bra eligibility, subjecting them to dehumanizing treatment under the guise of policy enforcement. The ACLU sought immediate relief, filing for a preliminary injunction to halt these measures.

In his 23-page decision, Judge Allen Winsor, a Trump appointee with a record of anti-LGBTQ+ rulings, dismissed the injunction request. Winsor’s opinion misgendered Keohane, describing her as “a male who self-identifies as a woman.” He argued that the FDC’s policy does not constitute a blanket ban on hormone therapy, despite evidence showing the policy effectively forces the detransition of hundreds of inmates. Winsor claimed that Keohane, having navigated extensive bureaucratic hurdles to preserve her care, faced no “imminent injury” and therefore did not meet the criteria for emergency relief.

Regarding social accommodations, Winsor acknowledged the harm but dismissed its significance, arguing that denying long hair and gender-appropriate clothing does not rise to the level of “grossly incompetent” care or an Eighth Amendment violation. Misrepresenting the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) guidelines, Winsor claimed that social transition is not medically necessary and suggested psychotherapy as an adequate alternative. This echoes debunked “conversion therapy” approaches that lack scientific evidence and have been shown to increase risks of self-harm and suicide among transgender individuals.

Link:
https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/federal-court-rules-in-favor-of-forcibly

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Federal Court Rules In Favor of Forcibly Detransitioning Transgender Inmates In Florida (Original Post) Zenlitened Jan 6 OP
Yikes Demovictory9 Jan 6 #1
Outrageous! City Lights Jan 6 #2
How very, very sad. Biophilic Jan 6 #3
That is some fucked up against the forth amendment bullshit ColinC Jan 6 #4
Are we going to need "safe zones" where the most vulnerable in society can hide... Think. Again. Jan 6 #5
Echoes of Tuskegee? PuraVidaDreamin Jan 6 #6
Who is next? Irish_Dem Jan 6 #7
Trying to turn Black people white? ananda Jan 6 #23
Make gays straight, turn women into men, blacks into whites, etc etc. Irish_Dem Jan 6 #24
Force left handed people to only use their right hand Arazi Jan 6 #30
Yes a forced eugenics program. Irish_Dem Jan 6 #32
Reductio absurdum to male pregnancy. ananda Jan 6 #40
Yes then the white males could deport women too. Irish_Dem Tuesday #48
Or use them as slaves, like eunuchs. ananda Tuesday #51
Or worse. Irish_Dem Tuesday #59
Only once Marthe48 Tuesday #52
That made me laugh. ananda Tuesday #57
Yet, on more than one level, they've already done much of this. ananda Jan 6 #39
Next all women must look like the Trump tarts. Irish_Dem Tuesday #49
ROFL ananda Tuesday #50
Sad to say, I am not joking. I am deadly serious. Irish_Dem Tuesday #60
It's still funny, just to picture. ananda Tuesday #63
Making women wear dresses or skirts seems likely FullySupportDems Tuesday #54
American men like skin, so the US Taliban will order push up bras, low cut blouses and mini skirts for women. Irish_Dem Tuesday #58
I won't be able to leave the house... FullySupportDems Tuesday #61
At least American men will want women in front of a lot of windows. Irish_Dem Tuesday #62
If this stands they could modify inmates any way they want. bucolic_frolic Jan 6 #8
The most marginalized are first, bookmark this thread for future reference. NoMoreRepugs Jan 6 #9
By then it will be too late. Big brother will have us all in shock collars. Irish_Dem Jan 6 #25
They have spent so much time on transgenders. I'm starting to think the economy must be brilliant for them. Walleye Jan 6 #10
what does this mean WhiskeyGrinder Jan 6 #15
Can you please explain what you mean? Who is "they" who are "spending so much time on transgenders"? Hekate Jan 6 #17
I think he means the MAGAs picking on people all the time means they have nothing else to do but Irish_Dem Jan 6 #26
The post seemed ambiguous to me, but I didn't want to misjudge Hekate Jan 6 #29
I thought it seemed quite clear. Irish_Dem Jan 6 #31
Okay Hekate Tuesday #45
Shaved head as punishment - that is just savagery Iris Jan 6 #11
I've been told we shouldn't worry about this because it won't win us elections. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 6 #12
Awful! LeftInTX Jan 6 #13
These assholes sit around thinking of ways to be cruel. Solly Mack Jan 6 #14
The sad thing is that a huge number of people will cheer this. kerry-is-my-prez Jan 6 #16
Sadists Hekate Jan 6 #18
And, they are gleeful about it. Which really pisses me the fa;dofhk off! (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Jan 6 #22
Terrible Beringia Jan 6 #19
Florida fed judge bluestarone Jan 6 #20
Wow... 2naSalit Jan 6 #21
And so the repression begins... DingleBerryNW Jan 6 #27
Oh no, it began years and years ago. Zenlitened Jan 6 #35
Forcibly?! UTUSN Jan 6 #28
Cruelty is the point. Oopsie Daisy Jan 6 #33
Republicans create problems Johonny Jan 6 #34
Post removed Post removed Jan 6 #36
Post removed Post removed Jan 6 #38
Sure sounds like "cruel and unusual punishment" to me JoseBalow Jan 6 #37
Remember that book A Wrinkle in Time? ananda Jan 6 #41
Sounds familiar. Wasn't there a group that johnnyfins Jan 6 #42
Don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised. ananda Jan 6 #44
There was a group johnnyfins Wednesday #66
Why are they taking canteen items? Ilsa Jan 6 #43
I thought they objected to use of federal funds iemanja Tuesday #46
What is it with these people that they want to fuck with people's bodies so badly? GoodRaisin Tuesday #47
Oppressive cruelty Marthe48 Tuesday #53
I would LOVE to see their faces if someone eventually decides to forcibly de-convert Christians... Moostache Tuesday #55
There will be more suicides. Oopsie Daisy Tuesday #56
They are perfectly okay with that. Zenlitened Tuesday #64
I suspect this will be looked at by appellate courts Jose Garcia Tuesday #65

Think. Again.

(19,766 posts)
5. Are we going to need "safe zones" where the most vulnerable in society can hide...
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 06:00 PM
Jan 6

....until the nazi administration burns itself down?

And how can we accomplish that?

Arazi

(7,169 posts)
30. Force left handed people to only use their right hand
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 07:47 PM
Jan 6

Kill all the color blind folks? Banish those who can’t roll their tongue?

Are Jews next?

Feeling like the GOP is just getting started on eliminating anyone they designate as “unnatural” by some bullshit rules

#SlipperySlope

Irish_Dem

(60,803 posts)
32. Yes a forced eugenics program.
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 07:49 PM
Jan 6

If white males are the permanent minority ruling party, they can shape the country anyway they want.

Marthe48

(19,596 posts)
52. Only once
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 10:16 AM
Tuesday

the human race would then go extinct if men in their current guise had to nurture and deliver babies with their bodies.



ananda

(31,042 posts)
39. Yet, on more than one level, they've already done much of this.
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 08:33 PM
Jan 6

I guess physicality is just the next level.

Irish_Dem

(60,803 posts)
49. Next all women must look like the Trump tarts.
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 06:54 AM
Tuesday

Last edited Tue Jan 7, 2025, 03:25 PM - Edit history (1)

Hair extensions, plastic surgery, huge boobs, bizarre looking faces.

Forced to dress so they look mostly nude all the time.

FullySupportDems

(223 posts)
54. Making women wear dresses or skirts seems likely
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 10:21 AM
Tuesday

I remember public schools insisting on a real dress code for female students and teachers, except during winter. I remember because I was in grade school when it changed and my legs didn't have to freeze anymore. Cold weather in the Midwest doesn't respect what month it is.

I'm sure some maga miss those days fondly. And it would go well with their gender conformity agenda.

Irish_Dem

(60,803 posts)
58. American men like skin, so the US Taliban will order push up bras, low cut blouses and mini skirts for women.
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 03:25 PM
Tuesday

Irish_Dem

(60,803 posts)
62. At least American men will want women in front of a lot of windows.
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 04:21 PM
Tuesday

We do have that to look forward to. No windowless window lock up.

Walleye

(36,737 posts)
10. They have spent so much time on transgenders. I'm starting to think the economy must be brilliant for them.
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 06:18 PM
Jan 6

Doesn’t seem like they have to have any gainful employment

Hekate

(95,574 posts)
17. Can you please explain what you mean? Who is "they" who are "spending so much time on transgenders"?
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 06:36 PM
Jan 6

And who are “them” experiencing a “brilliant” economy? And who are “they” who “don’t have to have any gainful employment” ?

Just expand on this and explain exactly who you mean and what you are talking about, because I for one would not want to misjudge you.

Irish_Dem

(60,803 posts)
26. I think he means the MAGAs picking on people all the time means they have nothing else to do but
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 07:24 PM
Jan 6

cause trouble. They don't think there are any other problems and are ignoring the real issues.

Irish_Dem

(60,803 posts)
31. I thought it seemed quite clear.
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 07:48 PM
Jan 6

And the person who made the comment is a well known respected DUer.

kerry-is-my-prez

(9,454 posts)
16. The sad thing is that a huge number of people will cheer this.
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 06:32 PM
Jan 6

This is similar to “there are immigrants eating people’s pets.” More ways of stirring up people to be angry about an issue that has no effect on them at all. Let’s rile up more hatred against the trans people.

2naSalit

(94,064 posts)
21. Wow...
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 06:54 PM
Jan 6

Florida has gone off the deep end. Is this what the Terry Schaivo case has wrought?

Nazi camps did experimental surgery on victims, horrific things.

I don't even want to know any more.

DingleBerryNW

(16 posts)
27. And so the repression begins...
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 07:32 PM
Jan 6

This is another foundational chip against our personal freedoms and it will get worse unless we stand up and make our voices heard. I, for one, have joined forces with indivisible.org.

Zenlitened

(9,495 posts)
35. Oh no, it began years and years ago.
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 08:05 PM
Jan 6

This is just the latest in a long, long series of steps in the rightwing’s program of trans eliminationism. Not the beginning and sadly nowhere near the end.

Johonny

(22,438 posts)
34. Republicans create problems
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 08:00 PM
Jan 6

And Democrats solve them. This is fucked up in so many sad ways. Sometime in the distant future it will be subject to movies and documentaries to enlighten how fucked up American values were in 2025

Response to Zenlitened (Original post)

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JoseBalow

(5,901 posts)
37. Sure sounds like "cruel and unusual punishment" to me
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 08:07 PM
Jan 6

Sadists thinking up ways to make prison more painful.

ananda

(31,042 posts)
41. Remember that book A Wrinkle in Time?
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 08:39 PM
Jan 6

At the beginning all the kids wore beige and
bounced basketballs at the same time.

This is bascially a metaphor for what Magas
want... everybody exactly the same in look,
belief, race, gender, sexuality, language, etc.

The whole world seems heading in that direction.

No diversity whatsoever.

ananda

(31,042 posts)
44. Don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised.
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 09:20 PM
Jan 6

When billionaire haters got a hold of ordinary
haters, the whole world starting changing
toward wanting everyone to be the same,
mainly because the oppression has become
so severe and the collective human psyche
just can't handle so many people with so
much mental stress.

Ilsa

(62,335 posts)
43. Why are they taking canteen items?
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 08:56 PM
Jan 6

They won't let them have lotions, soaps, etc? And forced exams for bra size? Head shaving? All of this is so cruel.

When did judges become psychiatrists?

GoodRaisin

(9,689 posts)
47. What is it with these people that they want to fuck with people's bodies so badly?
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 03:18 AM
Tuesday

They are insane.

Marthe48

(19,596 posts)
53. Oppressive cruelty
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 10:18 AM
Tuesday

Once again, judges aren't doctors, psychologists or endocrinologists. I thought judges were supposed to be wise and discerning, but this one is neither, just a mean s.o.b.

Moostache

(10,201 posts)
55. I would LOVE to see their faces if someone eventually decides to forcibly de-convert Christians...
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 11:00 AM
Tuesday

Even the fake ones that everyone KNOWS are full of shit when they throw "Praise Jesus" on everything.

Zenlitened

(9,495 posts)
64. They are perfectly okay with that.
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 05:01 PM
Tuesday

In fact they encourage it.

The trans community desperately needs cis allies to recognize this fact. The rightwing has been working for years to eliminate trans people entirely.

Working and, sadly, succeeding. Half the country is a no-go zone for us. And now they’re ready to wield the power of the federal government. It’s a catastrophe growing in scope and harm by the day.

See:
‘Post-Election 2024 Anti-Trans Risk Assessment Map‘
https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/post-election-2024-anti-trans-risk

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