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Zenlitened

(9,541 posts)
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 05:51 PM Jan 2025

Federal Court Rules In Favor of Forcibly Detransitioning Transgender Inmates In Florida

Link below. From the article:

In the final days of 2024, a federal judge in Florida’s Northern District issued a ruling rejecting a preliminary injunction against a new Florida Department of Corrections (FDC) policy targeting transgender inmates. This policy, introduced on September 30, 2024, frames gender dysphoria as a “short-term delusion,” restricting access to gender-affirming care, permitting hormones only in “rare instances” deemed constitutionally necessary. The FDC bulletin also suggests psychotropic medications and psychotherapy as sufficient alternatives to medical transition, ignoring widely accepted medical guidelines.

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), representing plaintiff Reiyn Keohane, challenged the policy, arguing it strips transgender inmates of essential care and dignity. Under the policy, trans women in Florida prisons are denied access to gender-aligned clothing and grooming standards, with confiscation of canteen items and head shaving mandated for non-compliance. According to the ACLU’s October 2024 complaint, inmates face invasive examinations to assess breast size for bra eligibility, subjecting them to dehumanizing treatment under the guise of policy enforcement. The ACLU sought immediate relief, filing for a preliminary injunction to halt these measures.

In his 23-page decision, Judge Allen Winsor, a Trump appointee with a record of anti-LGBTQ+ rulings, dismissed the injunction request. Winsor’s opinion misgendered Keohane, describing her as “a male who self-identifies as a woman.” He argued that the FDC’s policy does not constitute a blanket ban on hormone therapy, despite evidence showing the policy effectively forces the detransition of hundreds of inmates. Winsor claimed that Keohane, having navigated extensive bureaucratic hurdles to preserve her care, faced no “imminent injury” and therefore did not meet the criteria for emergency relief.

Regarding social accommodations, Winsor acknowledged the harm but dismissed its significance, arguing that denying long hair and gender-appropriate clothing does not rise to the level of “grossly incompetent” care or an Eighth Amendment violation. Misrepresenting the World Professional Association for Transgender Health (WPATH) guidelines, Winsor claimed that social transition is not medically necessary and suggested psychotherapy as an adequate alternative. This echoes debunked “conversion therapy” approaches that lack scientific evidence and have been shown to increase risks of self-harm and suicide among transgender individuals.

Link:
https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/federal-court-rules-in-favor-of-forcibly

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Federal Court Rules In Favor of Forcibly Detransitioning Transgender Inmates In Florida (Original Post) Zenlitened Jan 2025 OP
Yikes Demovictory9 Jan 2025 #1
Outrageous! City Lights Jan 2025 #2
How very, very sad. Biophilic Jan 2025 #3
That is some fucked up against the forth amendment bullshit ColinC Jan 2025 #4
Are we going to need "safe zones" where the most vulnerable in society can hide... Think. Again. Jan 2025 #5
Echoes of Tuskegee? PuraVidaDreamin Jan 2025 #6
Who is next? Irish_Dem Jan 2025 #7
Trying to turn Black people white? ananda Jan 2025 #23
Make gays straight, turn women into men, blacks into whites, etc etc. Irish_Dem Jan 2025 #24
Force left handed people to only use their right hand Arazi Jan 2025 #30
Yes a forced eugenics program. Irish_Dem Jan 2025 #32
Reductio absurdum to male pregnancy. ananda Jan 2025 #40
Yes then the white males could deport women too. Irish_Dem Jan 2025 #48
Or use them as slaves, like eunuchs. ananda Jan 2025 #51
Or worse. Irish_Dem Jan 2025 #59
Only once Marthe48 Jan 2025 #52
That made me laugh. ananda Jan 2025 #57
Yet, on more than one level, they've already done much of this. ananda Jan 2025 #39
Next all women must look like the Trump tarts. Irish_Dem Jan 2025 #49
ROFL ananda Jan 2025 #50
Sad to say, I am not joking. I am deadly serious. Irish_Dem Jan 2025 #60
It's still funny, just to picture. ananda Jan 2025 #63
Making women wear dresses or skirts seems likely FullySupportDems Jan 2025 #54
American men like skin, so the US Taliban will order push up bras, low cut blouses and mini skirts for women. Irish_Dem Jan 2025 #58
I won't be able to leave the house... FullySupportDems Jan 2025 #61
At least American men will want women in front of a lot of windows. Irish_Dem Jan 2025 #62
If this stands they could modify inmates any way they want. bucolic_frolic Jan 2025 #8
The most marginalized are first, bookmark this thread for future reference. NoMoreRepugs Jan 2025 #9
By then it will be too late. Big brother will have us all in shock collars. Irish_Dem Jan 2025 #25
They have spent so much time on transgenders. I'm starting to think the economy must be brilliant for them. Walleye Jan 2025 #10
what does this mean WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2025 #15
Can you please explain what you mean? Who is "they" who are "spending so much time on transgenders"? Hekate Jan 2025 #17
I think he means the MAGAs picking on people all the time means they have nothing else to do but Irish_Dem Jan 2025 #26
The post seemed ambiguous to me, but I didn't want to misjudge Hekate Jan 2025 #29
I thought it seemed quite clear. Irish_Dem Jan 2025 #31
Okay Hekate Jan 2025 #45
Shaved head as punishment - that is just savagery Iris Jan 2025 #11
I've been told we shouldn't worry about this because it won't win us elections. WhiskeyGrinder Jan 2025 #12
Awful! LeftInTX Jan 2025 #13
These assholes sit around thinking of ways to be cruel. Solly Mack Jan 2025 #14
The sad thing is that a huge number of people will cheer this. kerry-is-my-prez Jan 2025 #16
Sadists Hekate Jan 2025 #18
And, they are gleeful about it. Which really pisses me the fa;dofhk off! (n/t) OldBaldy1701E Jan 2025 #22
Terrible Beringia Jan 2025 #19
Florida fed judge bluestarone Jan 2025 #20
Wow... 2naSalit Jan 2025 #21
And so the repression begins... DingleBerryNW Jan 2025 #27
Oh no, it began years and years ago. Zenlitened Jan 2025 #35
Forcibly?! UTUSN Jan 2025 #28
Cruelty is the point. Oopsie Daisy Jan 2025 #33
Republicans create problems Johonny Jan 2025 #34
Post removed Post removed Jan 2025 #36
Post removed Post removed Jan 2025 #38
Sure sounds like "cruel and unusual punishment" to me JoseBalow Jan 2025 #37
Remember that book A Wrinkle in Time? ananda Jan 2025 #41
Sounds familiar. Wasn't there a group that johnnyfins Jan 2025 #42
Don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised. ananda Jan 2025 #44
There was a group johnnyfins Jan 2025 #66
Why are they taking canteen items? Ilsa Jan 2025 #43
I thought they objected to use of federal funds iemanja Jan 2025 #46
What is it with these people that they want to fuck with people's bodies so badly? GoodRaisin Jan 2025 #47
Oppressive cruelty Marthe48 Jan 2025 #53
I would LOVE to see their faces if someone eventually decides to forcibly de-convert Christians... Moostache Jan 2025 #55
There will be more suicides. Oopsie Daisy Jan 2025 #56
They are perfectly okay with that. Zenlitened Jan 2025 #64
I suspect this will be looked at by appellate courts Jose Garcia Jan 2025 #65
 

Think. Again.

(22,456 posts)
5. Are we going to need "safe zones" where the most vulnerable in society can hide...
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 06:00 PM
Jan 2025

....until the nazi administration burns itself down?

And how can we accomplish that?

Arazi

(8,695 posts)
30. Force left handed people to only use their right hand
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 07:47 PM
Jan 2025

Kill all the color blind folks? Banish those who can’t roll their tongue?

Are Jews next?

Feeling like the GOP is just getting started on eliminating anyone they designate as “unnatural” by some bullshit rules

#SlipperySlope

Irish_Dem

(79,741 posts)
32. Yes a forced eugenics program.
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 07:49 PM
Jan 2025

If white males are the permanent minority ruling party, they can shape the country anyway they want.

Marthe48

(22,705 posts)
52. Only once
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 10:16 AM
Jan 2025

the human race would then go extinct if men in their current guise had to nurture and deliver babies with their bodies.



ananda

(34,393 posts)
39. Yet, on more than one level, they've already done much of this.
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 08:33 PM
Jan 2025

I guess physicality is just the next level.

Irish_Dem

(79,741 posts)
49. Next all women must look like the Trump tarts.
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 06:54 AM
Jan 2025

Last edited Tue Jan 7, 2025, 03:25 PM - Edit history (1)

Hair extensions, plastic surgery, huge boobs, bizarre looking faces.

Forced to dress so they look mostly nude all the time.

FullySupportDems

(406 posts)
54. Making women wear dresses or skirts seems likely
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 10:21 AM
Jan 2025

I remember public schools insisting on a real dress code for female students and teachers, except during winter. I remember because I was in grade school when it changed and my legs didn't have to freeze anymore. Cold weather in the Midwest doesn't respect what month it is.

I'm sure some maga miss those days fondly. And it would go well with their gender conformity agenda.

Irish_Dem

(79,741 posts)
58. American men like skin, so the US Taliban will order push up bras, low cut blouses and mini skirts for women.
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 03:25 PM
Jan 2025

Irish_Dem

(79,741 posts)
62. At least American men will want women in front of a lot of windows.
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 04:21 PM
Jan 2025

We do have that to look forward to. No windowless window lock up.

Walleye

(43,807 posts)
10. They have spent so much time on transgenders. I'm starting to think the economy must be brilliant for them.
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 06:18 PM
Jan 2025

Doesn’t seem like they have to have any gainful employment

Hekate

(100,132 posts)
17. Can you please explain what you mean? Who is "they" who are "spending so much time on transgenders"?
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 06:36 PM
Jan 2025

And who are “them” experiencing a “brilliant” economy? And who are “they” who “don’t have to have any gainful employment” ?

Just expand on this and explain exactly who you mean and what you are talking about, because I for one would not want to misjudge you.

Irish_Dem

(79,741 posts)
26. I think he means the MAGAs picking on people all the time means they have nothing else to do but
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 07:24 PM
Jan 2025

cause trouble. They don't think there are any other problems and are ignoring the real issues.

Irish_Dem

(79,741 posts)
31. I thought it seemed quite clear.
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 07:48 PM
Jan 2025

And the person who made the comment is a well known respected DUer.

kerry-is-my-prez

(10,207 posts)
16. The sad thing is that a huge number of people will cheer this.
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 06:32 PM
Jan 2025

This is similar to “there are immigrants eating people’s pets.” More ways of stirring up people to be angry about an issue that has no effect on them at all. Let’s rile up more hatred against the trans people.

2naSalit

(99,979 posts)
21. Wow...
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 06:54 PM
Jan 2025

Florida has gone off the deep end. Is this what the Terry Schaivo case has wrought?

Nazi camps did experimental surgery on victims, horrific things.

I don't even want to know any more.

DingleBerryNW

(69 posts)
27. And so the repression begins...
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 07:32 PM
Jan 2025

This is another foundational chip against our personal freedoms and it will get worse unless we stand up and make our voices heard. I, for one, have joined forces with indivisible.org.

Zenlitened

(9,541 posts)
35. Oh no, it began years and years ago.
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 08:05 PM
Jan 2025

This is just the latest in a long, long series of steps in the rightwing’s program of trans eliminationism. Not the beginning and sadly nowhere near the end.

Johonny

(25,415 posts)
34. Republicans create problems
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 08:00 PM
Jan 2025

And Democrats solve them. This is fucked up in so many sad ways. Sometime in the distant future it will be subject to movies and documentaries to enlighten how fucked up American values were in 2025

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JoseBalow

(9,162 posts)
37. Sure sounds like "cruel and unusual punishment" to me
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 08:07 PM
Jan 2025

Sadists thinking up ways to make prison more painful.

ananda

(34,393 posts)
41. Remember that book A Wrinkle in Time?
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 08:39 PM
Jan 2025

At the beginning all the kids wore beige and
bounced basketballs at the same time.

This is bascially a metaphor for what Magas
want... everybody exactly the same in look,
belief, race, gender, sexuality, language, etc.

The whole world seems heading in that direction.

No diversity whatsoever.

ananda

(34,393 posts)
44. Don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised.
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 09:20 PM
Jan 2025

When billionaire haters got a hold of ordinary
haters, the whole world starting changing
toward wanting everyone to be the same,
mainly because the oppression has become
so severe and the collective human psyche
just can't handle so many people with so
much mental stress.

Ilsa

(63,816 posts)
43. Why are they taking canteen items?
Mon Jan 6, 2025, 08:56 PM
Jan 2025

They won't let them have lotions, soaps, etc? And forced exams for bra size? Head shaving? All of this is so cruel.

When did judges become psychiatrists?

GoodRaisin

(10,724 posts)
47. What is it with these people that they want to fuck with people's bodies so badly?
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 03:18 AM
Jan 2025

They are insane.

Marthe48

(22,705 posts)
53. Oppressive cruelty
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 10:18 AM
Jan 2025

Once again, judges aren't doctors, psychologists or endocrinologists. I thought judges were supposed to be wise and discerning, but this one is neither, just a mean s.o.b.

Moostache

(10,972 posts)
55. I would LOVE to see their faces if someone eventually decides to forcibly de-convert Christians...
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 11:00 AM
Jan 2025

Even the fake ones that everyone KNOWS are full of shit when they throw "Praise Jesus" on everything.

Zenlitened

(9,541 posts)
64. They are perfectly okay with that.
Tue Jan 7, 2025, 05:01 PM
Jan 2025

In fact they encourage it.

The trans community desperately needs cis allies to recognize this fact. The rightwing has been working for years to eliminate trans people entirely.

Working and, sadly, succeeding. Half the country is a no-go zone for us. And now they’re ready to wield the power of the federal government. It’s a catastrophe growing in scope and harm by the day.

See:
‘Post-Election 2024 Anti-Trans Risk Assessment Map‘
https://www.erininthemorning.com/p/post-election-2024-anti-trans-risk

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