Gonna be a lot more sexual assaults crimes in the red states. Wonder if there is a betting line on bad legislation?

from viewing it (there are 99999 ways around it of course) the same as a ban? I really hate all the loaded language the media types love to use.

Another annoying one from today (alone) is the headline that the authorities in NOLA 'removed the bollards before the truck attack' as if it happened New Years Day morning or something. But then the article doesn't say when they were removed

In the early days of the internet there were 3rd-party age verification services, that weren't tied to porn sites. The porn sites would accept their certifications, but wouldn't get the users personal info or be responsible for verification of their own. These could be useful for other things too, like purchasing tobacco online, etc. Not sure why there's not been talk of the sites using those services instead of requiring people to provide state ID to them. I would imagine some of them still exist and if not, it's a business opportunity for someone.

But your logic does not allow the emotional types to panic, complain, and spread the click-bait.

Thanks Al Gore - but that's another story.

..... We had a relatively responsible body politic and national media outlets that weren't afraid to report and speak the truth.

My, how times have changed.

We had Penthouse. That’s what I heard.

I have a bridge to sell you.

It existed even before sound tracks on home movie projectors.

Not that im that old, but i cleaned out a few places where seniors died. Some of them had stuff....

Even though a high school speech teacher told us to never say I Don’t Think.

And once again I fail at sarcasm.

The buy-bull thumpers are searching for self gratification on porn sites in droves.

Mail order porn might come back into fashion if wrapped in a plain brown paper wrapper.

Utah. Has been for years.

The narrative is Utah leads the nation in pornography consumption. Data tell a different story

https://www.yahoo.com/news/narrative-utah-leads-nation-pornography-030000146.html

Wed, May 3, 2023 at 5:00 AM GMT+2

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While publications in the past have reported Utah as having the highest rate of pornography usage in the country, this narrative appears to be based on a single nearly 15-year-old study about “subscriptions” to a website that still remains anonymous.

For example, Pornhub’s own statistics from 2013 showed Utah ranked 40th in the U.S. in terms of page views. An article in Cyberpsychology said when controlled for broadband internet access, Utah ranks last based on Pornhub’s data.

As noted, the narrative of Utah residents consuming the most pornography emerged from the research report produced by then-Harvard Business professor Benjamin Edelman using data from 2008 or earlier. Edelman looked at zip codes from credit cards which an anonymous adult entertainment site gave him access to and said Utah had the most subscriptions out of any state in the country.

When Edelman published the research, he told the Deseret News, “one possibility is that Utah consumers find it difficult to obtain their desired adult entertainment through retail purchases. … As a result, Utah residents may be buying online (hence appearing in my dataset), whereas people elsewhere buy retail (hence not in my dataset).”

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They know average folks aren't going to be lining up to go public and say "Save my PornHub". Bans like this allow for further encroachment on individual liberties and limitations on access to information. This isn't about protecting children, no matter what proponents may say, this is about controlling a populace.

because control of the media and what they considered "subversive literature" was exactly what THEY did.

But again, serves America right, for sitting back and letting fascists dictate what should and shouldn't be allowed.

nr*

1. Despite all their protests to the contrary, Trumpers do partake in adult sites... Go to any message board discussing the XXX film industry and you'll find nothing but Trumpers and even nuttier political extremists...

2. Okay fine, Trumpers have banned 3-4 of the major tube sites in the name of "protecting children" or some such bullshit, but there's nothing they can do about the hundreds of other easily accessible free XXX sites based outside of the U.S. Nevermind the fact that a kid can ALREADY access all the porn he or she could ever handle on Twitter alone if they know where to look 🤨

I could be making huge bucks as a tenured professor at one of those hoity-toity schools like Princeton or Stanford 😅

Children can't.

More likely, in my reckoning, is that the lawmakers in the state wanted the porn companies (esp. the 'free' ones like pronhub and xnxx) out of the state, and crafted the laws in such a way that they knew this would be the outcome, without having to obviously violate the 1A.

And I'd wager their primary lever to accomplish this was by creating new liability issues that are either explicitly onerous, or leave unanswered questions about liability scope, such as: Who's allowed to sue, under what conditions, and where does the burden of proof lie? How much can be awarded to a plaintiff? Could any such laws make the sites ownership criminally liable for a minor accessing the site?

Lastly, I don't think minors spend much money (relative to adults) on porn purchases, or chaturbate, or sex toys, or male enhancement, the sales of which are what the free 'hubs' are about. Their free porn clips are a 'loss leader', and I'd bet your average minor that visits these sites is a 'money-loser' for them. I'd also bet that if these sites could eliminate minors usage thereof, without it costing them money for age verification services for everyone ELSE, and absent any liabilities for the failure of their system to do so perfectly at all times, every one of them would sign up for that.

That's my humble assessment, for what it's worth.

But they won't find it! Thumb drives are not very big and I'm really good at coming up with great hiding spots!

— Ron

These restrictions are for under 18s, not adults.

If you don’t think that will be misused for other reasons, you’re much too trusting.

If you're not willing to take a step to protect children.

Think again. Not only are there ways to skirt it e.g. VPN, but it doesn’t apply to many websites. Including ironically X, which allows all sorts of pornography to be freely viewed by all.

It doesn't prevent juveniles from consuming alcohol. After all, kids can always steal liquor from their parents, so it can be skirted.

And it being stored in a database run by Republicans?

why wine that you don't have access to porn, when you clearly do?

Giving up internet privacy, increased government surveillance and tracking, and puritanical beliefs being pushed on society.

Yes I think that's worth whining about.

What's your strong argument in favor of this?

and that some place their own self-gratification above children says a lot about our culture today. It's okay if children are killed and it's okay if they are exposed to porn. We live in society that treats children as disposable. That you decided the hill to die on about internet privacy revolves around porn is not a believable argument. We lost internet privacy a long time ago, as internet browsers and websites spy on us constantly. Yet that is not what you are complaining about.

And to dismiss legitimate concerns is well, concerning.

"If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear" - where have I heard that before?

Our society restricts all kinds of access based on age. Given the human rights abuse rampant in porn, the fact women and girls are not objects to buy and sell, the fact men don't have a "right" to exploit other human beings for sexual gratification, it would not break my heart to see it all gone. Porn has damaged not just those exploited in it, but has done infinite damage to men and women and is one of the major factors more and more women, especially young women, are saying to hell with men altogether and focusing on their own lives. Many men, young men especially, are whining they are "lonely." Well, sexual access isn't a right, and nobody has any right to exploit others and make money off it.

They’re not.

And no one is upset.

The issue is that such measures will do little to prevent minors from accessing adult sites; this is bad faith political theater from the right, more government excess and overreach that’s ineffective and devoid of merit.

And wait till they start expanding the definition of porn.
Anyone who thinks this is good is exceptionally short-sighted and naive.

No kidding - it's on page 5, iirc. It includes information about LGBTQ peoples' lives and identities, and also sexual health information.

It also mentions jail sentences for "pornographers." Applied, I assume, as unevenly as these sorts of charges always have been.

Especially not the goods and services that keep the population passive, docile and potentially subject to blackmail or embarrassment. That means you do like Putin: Despite inflation, you keep liquor cheap, you talk about a war on drugs but let them through anyway, and you don't ban pornography.

but considering how many sexual assaulters and abusers are in the administration, no porn might be a bridge too far.