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Bernie Sanders On Elon Musk (Original Post) Baron2024 21 hrs ago OP
This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a 21 hrs ago #1
K & R Celerity 21 hrs ago #2
Why not give a summary? Meowmee 21 hrs ago #3
8 Minutes Baron2024 21 hrs ago #4
Ok ty 😀 Meowmee 21 hrs ago #5
Oh, it was you who said that MadameButterfly 20 hrs ago #9
Excuse me. Meowmee 19 hrs ago #11
Ditto MadameButterfly 19 hrs ago #13
Ditto MadameButterfly 19 hrs ago #13
Your post was perfect MadameButterfly 19 hrs ago #12
Wow. sheshe2 19 hrs ago #15
This really was not about me discriminating against hearing impaired MadameButterfly 18 hrs ago #18
Thank you. sheshe2 18 hrs ago #19
Thank you for reading it and for providing MadameButterfly 18 hrs ago #20
Not hard at all to read. sheshe2 18 hrs ago #21
because it's HOW he explained it MadameButterfly 20 hrs ago #8
You are comparing Biden to Trump?! sheshe2 19 hrs ago #17
my comment is only about aging and speaking ability and even that is different in the two men MadameButterfly 8 hrs ago #31
THIS!! 👆 InAbLuEsTaTe 10 hrs ago #26
I endorse this message Blue_Tires 21 hrs ago #6
Bernie still rocks!! InAbLuEsTaTe 20 hrs ago #7
Still my hero MadameButterfly 20 hrs ago #10
Always!! InAbLuEsTaTe 10 hrs ago #25
Yes he does. Always a voice for we the people. Bluepinky 12 hrs ago #23
Bernie's right about most things, but it's his leadership ability that truly stands out in my mind. InAbLuEsTaTe 10 hrs ago #24
isnt this a coup stepping over by a duly elected presidient? AllaN01Bear 19 hrs ago #16
No. Citizens United made it legal MadameButterfly 7 hrs ago #33
Some thoughts on Gabbard, sir. tirebiter 18 hrs ago #22
She's a grifter extraordinaire. She'll attach herself like a remora to anything that might assist Tulsi and only Tulsi. paleotn 10 hrs ago #27
Tulsi has changed her alliances so astonishingly as to make Kyrsten Synema seem like MadameButterfly 7 hrs ago #34
He's right malaise 10 hrs ago #28
Thank you Bernie. Powerful message. It's in close caption Emile 9 hrs ago #29
For those who don't want to watch, his point is, guys like Elmo aren't hiding it anymore. paleotn 9 hrs ago #30
Which is why Bernie's time may have come MadameButterfly 7 hrs ago #32
k&r n/t markie 6 hrs ago #35

Response to Baron2024 (Original post)

Baron2024

(262 posts)
4. 8 Minutes
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 10:54 PM
21 hrs ago

It is less than an 8 minute video of Bernie explaining that Musk is an unelected billionaire oligarch and the new Trump Regime will be for cutting taxes on billionaires and large corporations, and not helping working people and the middle class.

MadameButterfly

(1,944 posts)
9. Oh, it was you who said that
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 12:09 AM
20 hrs ago

Listen to the damn video. You'll learn something you didn't already know.

MadameButterfly

(1,944 posts)
12. Your post was perfect
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 12:14 AM
19 hrs ago

and the title and "worth listening" was enough. The guy asking for a summary is like a student reading cliff notes because they don't want to take time to read the novel.

Thanks for sharing this

sheshe2

(88,143 posts)
15. Wow.
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 12:37 AM
19 hrs ago

Fact.
Some of us are actually hearing impaired and a synopsis would be helpful. The written word makes it easier for us.

I also assume it is his Millionaire/Billionaire speech and I have heard it before. If it was something different, then I would like to know and would love to know what he is going to do about it as a sitting Senator.

It is time for us to come together,

Merry Christmas or Happy Holidays to you and yours, MadameButterfly.

MadameButterfly

(1,944 posts)
18. This really was not about me discriminating against hearing impaired
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 01:16 AM
18 hrs ago
https://civil.today/bernie-sanders-welcome-to-the-world-of-oligarchy-video-full-transcript/

It's about a synopsis not communicating the real content of the speech. So here is a link with the full transcript which solves my problem and yours at the same time.

You have made an assumption about the speech. However, I do think this speech is different so if you would like to know I am happy to share it with you.

sheshe2

(88,143 posts)
19. Thank you.
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 01:30 AM
18 hrs ago

That was very different from his usual speeches and by gawd he was spot on. I don't understand why it is so difficult for people to actually post a transcript, or at the very least post a synopsis.

This was good.


snip/
In any case, within the House of Representatives, the Republican House and the Democratic Senate, there was a widespread agreement on this resolution, and it was just about ready to be passed. In fact, the Republicans posted it on their website. We were ready to go.

But then, out of nowhere, the wealthiest man in the world, Elon Musk, began tweeting his opposition to this legislation. In fact, he was very blunt about it. He told Republicans that if they voted for this proposal, which they had already agreed to do, he would take out his wallet and spend as much money as it took to defeat them in primaries and drive them out of office.

snip/
The wealthiest person in the world, who spent at least $277 million to elect Donald Trump and a republican Congress, has now claimed complete ownership of that party. And what he’s saying is, hey Republicans, forget your constituents. Forget your constitutional responsibilities. If you don’t do what I, Elon Musk, want you to do, you’re out of office. And I have the money to do just that.

My friends, what we are looking at here has nothing to do with democracy.

What we are looking at here is oligarchy.

MadameButterfly

(1,944 posts)
8. because it's HOW he explained it
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 12:08 AM
20 hrs ago

and a synopsis misses the point. If you can't take the time to listen you'll be like the poster below who says "Nothing I didn't know". It's not that the fact are new. It's how he makes his case. He explains it so anyone can get it, not just us political junkies.

Older than Biden and Trump who are both quickly losing their ability to speak effectively, Bernie is stronger than ever.

sheshe2

(88,143 posts)
17. You are comparing Biden to Trump?!
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 01:07 AM
19 hrs ago
Older than Biden and Trump who are both quickly losing their ability to speak effectively


President Biden is one of the best in my lifetime. His accomplishments for all Americans are remarkable. A true leader.

Please stop!

MadameButterfly

(1,944 posts)
31. my comment is only about aging and speaking ability and even that is different in the two men
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 12:02 PM
8 hrs ago

I'm not talking about the quality of Biden's presidency or his character which are the opposite of Trump. Biden is losing his speaking ability, a skill which is necessary to stay in politics especially at election time.
Trump on the other hand is going into dementia which is much more dangerous, will exaggerate his already dangerous malignant narcissism.

My point is that Bernie has neither problem. No, I'm not suggesting he should run for president again.

My Dad was losing his speaking ability for years and that does not negate the power of his whole amazing career or his basic decency right up to the end. So please stop conflating obvious observations about speaking skills late in life with a man's life accomplishments.



Bluepinky

(2,338 posts)
23. Yes he does. Always a voice for we the people.
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 08:08 AM
12 hrs ago

He has been right about (almost) everything, and he communicates it well.
Let’s see if the first thing Trump tries to do when he gets into office is pass his tax cuts for the wealthy, because they really need it.

InAbLuEsTaTe

(24,668 posts)
24. Bernie's right about most things, but it's his leadership ability that truly stands out in my mind.
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 09:25 AM
10 hrs ago

MadameButterfly

(1,944 posts)
33. No. Citizens United made it legal
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 12:15 PM
7 hrs ago

It's just the first time since that ruling that we had a weak/immoral enough president to completely succumb to the oligarchs.

tirebiter

(2,593 posts)
22. Some thoughts on Gabbard, sir.
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 01:52 AM
18 hrs ago

There are more than a few people who think she still,supports you. Have you parted ways?

paleotn

(19,529 posts)
27. She's a grifter extraordinaire. She'll attach herself like a remora to anything that might assist Tulsi and only Tulsi.
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 10:02 AM
10 hrs ago

She doesn't believe in all that Bernie stuff. She doesn't believe in much of anything other than Tulsi Gabbard. If she can gain advantage by aligning with Sanders or Trump, opposite magnetic poles, she'll do exactly that. Politics is filled with people just like her. Political P words.

Sanders and I may diverge on policy from time to time, but I never have to worry about where his heart is. He means it. He's damn consistent. Consistency you don't find very often in politics. I appreciate that and agree with him more times than not.



MadameButterfly

(1,944 posts)
34. Tulsi has changed her alliances so astonishingly as to make Kyrsten Synema seem like
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 12:30 PM
7 hrs ago

a loyal Democrat by comparison.

Bernie's defense of her 5 - 8 years ago when she supported the Democratic party against Trump is not relevent given her behavior since.
She supported Bernie in 2016 but that doesn't mean he is responsible for her going forward.

Hey, I supported Tulsi in 2016. Based on what she said then. Now? Hell no.

Let it go.

paleotn

(19,529 posts)
30. For those who don't want to watch, his point is, guys like Elmo aren't hiding it anymore.
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 10:20 AM
9 hrs ago

Elmo figures he bought a presidency. He thinks he can buy a Congress too. Or at least use his money to threaten them with losing their seats if they don't bend to his will. And all this wasn't in hushed conversations in back rooms like the old days. It was blatantly on twitter for all to see. Let that little factoid sink in.

I'll say it once again.....there's a seething rage in our populace against the monied class. A righteous rage after decades of being screwed. Enough rage to turn a murderer into a hero recently. THAT is our weapon against what Elmo is up to, if we'd only pick it up and use it.

MadameButterfly

(1,944 posts)
32. Which is why Bernie's time may have come
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 12:12 PM
7 hrs ago

A leader who can spell it out and won't be cowed, who always knew the moneyed class was the problem. He has always chamioned working class and appealed to those angry disaffected people who move back and forth between Bernie and Trump. Murder isn't the solution but language like political "revolution" might make more and more sense.

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