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Cthulu on call

(35 posts)
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 10:51 AM 21 hrs ago

Garland the worst descion Biden ever made

I'm taking out my paint brush and throwing him in with the rest of the federalist.

The time for nuance is over.

Garland is a MAGA for all purposes.

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Garland the worst descion Biden ever made (Original Post) Cthulu on call 21 hrs ago OP
Biden must have been OK with Garland because he could have replaced him at anytime, or told him to crank it up. Silent Type 20 hrs ago #1
But you know that's not true Orrex 17 hrs ago #11
"a mistake that Biden openly acknowledged" Polybius 17 hrs ago #12
"Mistake" was the wrong word for me to use there Orrex 16 hrs ago #15
Ahh yes, I remember him saying something like that Polybius 10 hrs ago #17
God forbid we wouldn't want to be attacked 24/7 by right wing propaganda and every Republican in government Hassin Bin Sober 9 hrs ago #22
You've clearly got it all figured out, so paint us a picture. Orrex 9 hrs ago #23
they might even call us commies and terrorists and perophiles who murder children rampartd 5 hrs ago #33
Sure Cirsium 7 hrs ago #29
While not dissing Garland, I believe we would've been better served by a more aggressive AG. n/t Dennis Donovan 20 hrs ago #2
Agree republianmushroom 19 hrs ago #3
Timid and lazy. In other words, institutionalist dalton99a 18 hrs ago #4
lol what silly nonsense. tritsofme 18 hrs ago #5
Or not running for the Dem Nomination in 2016 maxsolomon 18 hrs ago #6
Only one sitting VP was directly elected President in 150 years, and that was George HW Bush Polybius 17 hrs ago #13
Even so it still might have been a worse decision than Garland as AG. RockRaven 7 hrs ago #26
Think Obama and Clinton had an agreement RhapsodyFav 7 hrs ago #28
No. Running for reelection was Jose Garcia 18 hrs ago #7
The worst was not running in 2016. He would have likely defeated Clinton, then Trump. Celerity 18 hrs ago #8
Maybe Polybius 17 hrs ago #14
Biden had far less perceived baggage than Clinton, and the misogyny factor would have went poof. Celerity 15 hrs ago #16
I'm not saying Biden would have lost, I just don't know Polybius 9 hrs ago #19
Not a chance Biden could have defeated Clinton in the 2016 primaries, IMO. Just like in 2008, she had about half the Midwestern Democrat 2 hrs ago #36
Only once in the last 70 years has the same party won three elections in a row MichMan 6 hrs ago #31
well, Clinton was not the answer, and now here we all sit Celerity 3 hrs ago #35
Check DU around the time Biden was elected. Pretty sure the sense at DU RandomNumbers 18 hrs ago #9
a 'maga' that prosecuted over 1200 maga rioters bigtree 18 hrs ago #10
Thank you yet again Hekate 9 hrs ago #21
Even without Garland Blue_Tires 10 hrs ago #18
Jesus, people. Maybe give it a rest for one or two freaking days? You are all going to miss Biden when he's gone Hekate 9 hrs ago #20
Never, Garland deserves all the hate Sewa 7 hrs ago #24
Merry freaking Christmas to you, too. Felicitations of the season. Hekate 7 hrs ago #25
Can't argue with that, he was recommended to Obama for SCOTUS by a Republican. nt doc03 7 hrs ago #27
My view remains qazplm135 7 hrs ago #30
Garland is a wrecking ball. Bluethroughu 6 hrs ago #32
Running for re-election was the worst decision Biden ever made In It to Win It 5 hrs ago #34

Silent Type

(7,323 posts)
1. Biden must have been OK with Garland because he could have replaced him at anytime, or told him to crank it up.
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 11:09 AM
20 hrs ago

Orrex

(64,323 posts)
11. But you know that's not true
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 02:01 PM
17 hrs ago

If Biden had fired him and the subsequent AG's actions resulted in pro-Biden or anti-Trump outcomes, then Biden, the AG, and the outcomes would have been attacked 24/7 by the reichwing propaganda machine and every Republican in government.

Even if Garland had retired for legitimate reasons, the effect would be the same.

It was a mistake to pick Garland, a mistake that Biden openly acknowledged. But by then it was too late to replace him.

Polybius

(18,352 posts)
12. "a mistake that Biden openly acknowledged"
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 02:42 PM
17 hrs ago

I didn't know that Biden said it was a mistake. I'm not doubting you, but when did he say this?

Orrex

(64,323 posts)
15. "Mistake" was the wrong word for me to use there
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 03:05 PM
16 hrs ago

I believe he expressed disappointment in the way that Garland handled things, particularly the investigation of Hunter.

Polybius

(18,352 posts)
17. Ahh yes, I remember him saying something like that
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 09:02 PM
10 hrs ago

He's too nice to say that it was a mistake, but I'm sure he thinks it.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,786 posts)
22. God forbid we wouldn't want to be attacked 24/7 by right wing propaganda and every Republican in government
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 10:25 PM
9 hrs ago

We sure dodged a bullet with that one.

Orrex

(64,323 posts)
23. You've clearly got it all figured out, so paint us a picture.
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 10:33 PM
9 hrs ago

Biden fires Garland for the lack of forward motion re: Trump's obvious insurrection et al.

What next?

rampartd

(857 posts)
33. they might even call us commies and terrorists and perophiles who murder children
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 02:26 AM
5 hrs ago

screw the repub propaganda

Cirsium

(1,151 posts)
29. Sure
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 12:30 AM
7 hrs ago

That is true, but Biden would have been attacked 24/7 by the reichwing propaganda machine and every Republican in government no matter what he did.

Dennis Donovan

(27,375 posts)
2. While not dissing Garland, I believe we would've been better served by a more aggressive AG. n/t
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 11:10 AM
20 hrs ago

Polybius

(18,352 posts)
13. Only one sitting VP was directly elected President in 150 years, and that was George HW Bush
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 02:45 PM
17 hrs ago

Perhaps he would have won, but it would have been a tough primary.

RhapsodyFav

(7 posts)
28. Think Obama and Clinton had an agreement
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 12:20 AM
7 hrs ago

that she would be supported for President after his term ended.

Celerity

(46,857 posts)
8. The worst was not running in 2016. He would have likely defeated Clinton, then Trump.
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 01:48 PM
18 hrs ago

But, I do agree that his running in 2024 was a disastrous decision as well. Garland would be the third.

Polybius

(18,352 posts)
14. Maybe
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 02:46 PM
17 hrs ago

But only one sitting VP was directly elected President in 150 years, and that was George HW Bush. Nixon, Gore, and Harris all failed to do it. Besides Biden in 2016, Cheney also chose not to run in 2008.

Celerity

(46,857 posts)
16. Biden had far less perceived baggage than Clinton, and the misogyny factor would have went poof.
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 04:38 PM
15 hrs ago

My choices for 2016 were, in order:

Obama 3rd term (Constitutionally barred from that)

Biden (didn't run)

Recently retired 4 Star Admiral William H. McRaven, commander of the United States Special Operations Command, superb public speaker, commanding presence, and he was the military leader who got bin Laden (did not run)

Martin O'Malley (dropped out)

After that I just voted for Clinton in the general.

Polybius

(18,352 posts)
19. I'm not saying Biden would have lost, I just don't know
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 10:13 PM
9 hrs ago

I'm a massive fan of "what if's" though, and this is an excellent one. The toughest part imo would be defeating Clinton in the primaries. Not sure if he could have done it.

36. Not a chance Biden could have defeated Clinton in the 2016 primaries, IMO. Just like in 2008, she had about half the
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 05:36 AM
2 hrs ago

Democratic Party locked up on day one - Obama was a supernova who was able to lock up the entire half of the party who didn't want Clinton - doubt Biden could have done that (at minimum, he would have needed Sanders not to run to have a direct one on one competition with Clinton and he probably also needed the unofficial but obvious support of Obama.)

MichMan

(13,550 posts)
31. Only once in the last 70 years has the same party won three elections in a row
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 01:21 AM
6 hrs ago

I'm not certain Biden would have been the second one in 2016

RandomNumbers

(18,244 posts)
9. Check DU around the time Biden was elected. Pretty sure the sense at DU
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 01:49 PM
18 hrs ago

was that Merrick Garland deserved the post because of being screwed over by McConnell for Supreme Court.

Funny how the winds change.

Maybe next time no one will be thinking of the USAG position as a consolation prize or reward, but thinking of someone's actual capability for the job. Although to be fair, I don't know that we weren't thinking about it - maybe we just didn't predict how poorly he would perform vs. our wishes. That "vs. our wishes" piece is quite important. I don't have a JD or enough experience and knowledge to really fairly assess what he's done with what he was up against. But I get the sentiment at DU is that he was too squishy for our liking and I lean that way a bit also. Not sure what we (or Biden) could have seen to predict that.

bigtree

(90,285 posts)
10. a 'maga' that prosecuted over 1200 maga rioters
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 01:52 PM
18 hrs ago

...and collected and defended in myriad, successive courts almost all of the evidence used in the TWO historic, multi-felony indictments of the leader of MAGA.

You say that as if we're too stupid to recognize the contradictions in that reasoning.

Why even fight to remove the privileges of half a dozen top WH aides and lawyers to obtain the testimony KEY in those indictments, if Garland was 'maga'?

And on and on....

Blue_Tires

(56,725 posts)
18. Even without Garland
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 09:16 PM
10 hrs ago

There were about a dozen other ways Donnie could have been prevented from running, and the people who should have acted fucked up either through indifference, cowardice or because they were in on the fix from the beginning to get Donnie back into power...

Trumpism has officially broken us as a functioning, stable nation...

Hekate

(95,274 posts)
20. Jesus, people. Maybe give it a rest for one or two freaking days? You are all going to miss Biden when he's gone
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 10:21 PM
9 hrs ago

We’re going to miss him like hell.

qazplm135

(7,528 posts)
30. My view remains
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 12:53 AM
7 hrs ago

That Garland was simply the wrong man who thought we were living in a Pre Trump era.

He applied old school ideas of worrying about appearing non partisan and fair as if those things are rewarded anymore. He assumed being slow and methodical would build a case no one could dispute.

It was all fine 30 years ago but utterly stupid in the Trump Era. A younger, wiser AG would have known that the only path was swift and overwhelming. To capture the moment while the public still blamed him and cared about Jan 6th.

But he waited so long that people stopped caring about it and stopped blaming Trump for it. If the government isn't rushing over this, if they aren't actually charging him with inciting an insurrection then he must not have.

I don't want to be ageist, you need experience in government. But you also need vigor. The administration was filled with two many older and old school people and not enough younger, more vigorous folks in the right places.

It made the entire admin slow to react, slow to respond, and slow to recognize.

Bluethroughu

(5,985 posts)
32. Garland is a wrecking ball.
Wed Dec 25, 2024, 01:39 AM
6 hrs ago

This Gatez report is disgusting, and AGAIN Garland has done nothing.

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