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niyad

(121,031 posts)
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 06:24 PM Dec 23

A plea to Du'ers. While we are having all kinds of fun with the sick,

psychotic relationship between egoloon and TRAITOR**, please pause to consider that "elonia", "donia" , and signs about TRAITOR** being "first lady" to the illegal S. A. immigrant are, in fact, sexist and insulting to women, as though being a woman is somehow of less value.

Now, I realize that DU is not the only place where this is happening, but, please, stop and think before you repost such things.

Thanks in advance.

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A plea to Du'ers. While we are having all kinds of fun with the sick, (Original Post) niyad Dec 23 OP
it's done so casually Skittles Dec 23 #1
Yes, the casual sexism is pervasive, and there are days that it has to be niyad Dec 23 #2
sometimes when I point it out Skittles Dec 23 #7
I know. I get the same sort of thing. niyad Dec 23 #9
Recommended. H2O Man Dec 23 #3
Thank you. I have seen so many truly clever, vicious, comments about niyad Dec 23 #5
I am one of the strongest and most outspoken, fierce, supporters of women's rights here. Irish_Dem Dec 23 #4
I believe calling him First Gentleman would be just as effective. Think. Again. Dec 23 #8
Thank you. niyad Dec 23 #10
I am tired of the word police when we are in the fight for our lives and democracy. Irish_Dem Dec 23 #12
Woman vet here keepthemhonestO Dec 23 #24
Agreed. Important to remember that this is serious - deadly serious. yellow dahlia Dec 23 #27
The ball I have my eyes on is the progressive unprejudiced non-sexist caring thoughtful future that Bernardo de La Paz Dec 23 #32
Right Cirsium Dec 23 #23
thank you. this pearl clutching has to stop Red Raider 85 Dec 23 #26
Review the TOS. Ms. Toad Dec 23 #37
Some of this could also be seen, rightfully, as homophobic and/or gender bashing. Think. Again. Dec 23 #6
Sadly true. niyad Dec 23 #11
Folks, just avoid the sexism: call Little Donnie the Vice President elect. More effective than naming Eelon anything. nt Bernardo de La Paz Dec 23 #13
That works. niyad Dec 23 #18
I'm determined to refer to 45 only as "IT". LoisB Dec 23 #14
That works. . .but then there is "It" from the Addams family! niyad Dec 23 #17
No offense to the Addams Family's "It" intended. LoisB Dec 23 #28
I do know you meant It no offense. niyad Dec 23 #33
I've referred to him as the lap dog BigmanPigman Dec 23 #15
Understood.Sadly, comparing him to almost anything sentient, normal, useful, niyad Dec 23 #16
Since 2016 my vocabulary has shrunk.... BigmanPigman Dec 23 #19
There are always the lists of Shakespearean/Elizabethan insults. niyad Dec 23 #20
I have a Shakespearean Insults Coffee Mug, Abolishinist Dec 23 #40
Does it come in a travel mug? niyad Dec 23 #41
Not sure of that, but this is really weird. Abolishinist Dec 23 #42
Now that is funny! niyad Dec 24 #44
100% but I am not having any fun. mahina Dec 23 #21
You are correct. There is nothing funny about those two. niyad Dec 23 #22
I have thick skin. Oopsie Daisy Dec 23 #25
+1 CrispyQ Dec 23 #29
I am so stealing "crime minister"!!! niyad Dec 23 #34
Quite right Tweedy Dec 23 #30
Just a factoid. Musk has completely flipped out over his trans daughter. usonian Dec 23 #31
I disagree. carpetbagger Dec 23 #35
It is black and white on DU. Ms. Toad Dec 23 #39
And trans-hostile. n/t Ms. Toad Dec 23 #36
Yes. niyad Dec 23 #38
Assigning all the detrimental attributes to men is also sexist bucolic_frolic Dec 24 #43
We don't assign those attributes, CrispyQ Dec 24 #45

Skittles

(160,686 posts)
1. it's done so casually
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 06:26 PM
Dec 23

I also detest the reference to BALLS as some indicator of courage - sooooo fucking sexist

niyad

(121,031 posts)
2. Yes, the casual sexism is pervasive, and there are days that it has to be
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 06:29 PM
Dec 23

pointed out numerous times.

H2O Man

(75,906 posts)
3. Recommended.
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 06:31 PM
Dec 23

You make valid points. And I'll add that I am convinced that forum members are fully capable of making jokes -- aimed at the same targets -- in the darkest of humor. And I respect that.

niyad

(121,031 posts)
5. Thank you. I have seen so many truly clever, vicious, comments about
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 06:35 PM
Dec 23

those two sickos that never once veered into sexism, making the ones that do that much more disappointing.

Irish_Dem

(60,651 posts)
4. I am one of the strongest and most outspoken, fierce, supporters of women's rights here.
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 06:34 PM
Dec 23

I speak out in the most graphic and gobsmacking ways on behalf of women almost every day here.

I don't use the terms you mention, but I am not offended in the least by them.
And I don't see why calling him First Lady is offensive.
He might as well occupy that role with his constant side by side presence.

We are in the fight of our lives to save our democracy, freedom, and the lives of Americans.
I am in it to win it.

If a few feathers get ruffled so be it.
We didn't win WWII by acting like we were drinking tea with the church pastor.

And with all due respect I am getting tired of the lectures about how to think, act, feel.

I am furious, heart broken, and scared like everyone else.

We need some breathing room for god's sake.

Irish_Dem

(60,651 posts)
12. I am tired of the word police when we are in the fight for our lives and democracy.
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 06:56 PM
Dec 23

Our country will soon be ruled by a bona fide fascist crime syndicate.

People here are scared, terrified, facing many possible losses and dangers.

Grieving the loss of freedom and our democracy.

Worried about our children and grandchildren too.

Parsing words in meaningless ways seems counter productive to me.
First Lady, First Gentleman, seems the same thing to me and an obscure minor point
when we are in the fight for our lives and way of life.

I come from a military family.
You keep your eye on the ball and achieve your mission.
Not squabbling about minutia and splitting hairs.
We are in it to win it. Not horse around.

As I said, I am one of the most fierce advocates for women on this forum.
I don't need lectures on how to fight the good fight.
I don't need lessons on how to act if someday I am having tea with the King
and need to watch every word to make sure I follow palace protocol.



yellow dahlia

(396 posts)
27. Agreed. Important to remember that this is serious - deadly serious.
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 08:40 PM
Dec 23

I try to avoid sophmoric jokes and digression. Some that I see are funny....BUT! Nothing about what is going on is funny. We shouldn't get distracted from the serious nature. We need our attention to be on the reality - as painful as it is.

Bernardo de La Paz

(51,717 posts)
32. The ball I have my eyes on is the progressive unprejudiced non-sexist caring thoughtful future that
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 09:04 PM
Dec 23

... future that we are so close to and yet so far from.

It is not "word policing" to request avoiding sexist terminology. It's proactive. It's asking writers to think before pressing Post.

After all, you don't say "that's so gay" as a negative because there might be word police lurking around, right? You don't say that because you do want a progressive unprejudiced non-sexist caring thoughtful future.

No need to look over your shoulder.

Cirsium

(1,242 posts)
23. Right
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 08:05 PM
Dec 23

We all need some breathing room. Sexist remarks deny that breathing room to others.

You don't see why calling him First Lady is offensive? It is intended as a insult to Musk, of course. It is also intended to be humorous. Why is calling someone a lady an insult and why would that be humorous?

With all due respect, aren't you lecturing the OP about how to think, act, feel with your post?

Red Raider 85

(127 posts)
26. thank you. this pearl clutching has to stop
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 08:39 PM
Dec 23

FIGHT these GOP mfrs with EVERYTHING we got. Eff this “we go high” BS.

Bernardo de La Paz

(51,717 posts)
13. Folks, just avoid the sexism: call Little Donnie the Vice President elect. More effective than naming Eelon anything. nt
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 07:23 PM
Dec 23

BigmanPigman

(52,460 posts)
15. I've referred to him as the lap dog
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 07:29 PM
Dec 23

when I rant in the privacy of my own kitchen. Then I immediately feel guilty and hypocritical since I love dogs and I follow my rant with a, "sorry to all lap dogs and non lap dogs out there".

niyad

(121,031 posts)
16. Understood.Sadly, comparing him to almost anything sentient, normal, useful,
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 07:35 PM
Dec 23

is pretty much an insult to them. We apparently have to expand our vocabularies.

BigmanPigman

(52,460 posts)
19. Since 2016 my vocabulary has shrunk....
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 07:45 PM
Dec 23

Now, about 75% of my rants at home include all of George Carlin's 7 things you can't say on TV and Lenny Bruce's 9 dirty words. I throw a few Italian and French profanity as well. My Italian grandmom taught me a few.

Abolishinist

(2,093 posts)
40. I have a Shakespearean Insults Coffee Mug,
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 11:33 PM
Dec 23

purchased at our local Old Globe Theatre gift shop.

?v=1631731495

Abolishinist

(2,093 posts)
42. Not sure of that, but this is really weird.
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 11:42 PM
Dec 23

I remember posting this earlier, so I did a search on DU to find the pic, and it popped up.

But the 'weird' part is, I posted it EXACTLY one year ago today, and YOU responded to my post(#7) !!!

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218549065

Tweedy

(1,231 posts)
30. Quite right
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 08:55 PM
Dec 23

Better we simply focus on the facts.
Elon Musk torpedoed a spending bill based on absolute malarkey.

Either Mr. Musk is stupid
Lazy
Or deliberately lying

I don’t know which one it is.
Could be a combo.

I do know the original bill Mr. Musk torpedoed had serious restrictions on China’s use of our (American’s invented/ patents) technologies.

It looks like more people should be asking representative Rosa de Laurio’s questions. Did Mr. Musk kill the deal to protect his Chinese facility (producing 50% of Teslas) ?

Representative DeLaurio wrote the following:

“It is particularly disturbing that Musk may have sought to upend this critical negotiated agreement to remove a bipartisan provision regulating U.S. investments in China in order to protect his wallet and the Chinese Communist Party at the expense of American workers, innovators, and businesses.”

https://delauro.house.gov/sites/evo-subsites/delauro.house.gov/files/evo-media-document/2024.12.20%20Letter%20from%20RM%20DeLauro%20to%20Congressional%20Leadership.pdf

That is the important question.

Mr. Musk holding the GOP’s dear leaders puppet strings is a better way to describe that weird situation.


usonian

(15,068 posts)
31. Just a factoid. Musk has completely flipped out over his trans daughter.
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 08:59 PM
Dec 23

And he is violently anti-trans. His daughter plans to leave the country.

The Trump/Musk twins are motivated by greed, power, control of others, sexual domination and abuse.

Defending against them is asymmetric warfare.

carpetbagger

(4,953 posts)
35. I disagree.
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 11:09 PM
Dec 23

We all know Musk and Trump aren't having an affair, so it's obvious sarcasm, not like the Buchanan-King memes, such as memes were in the 1850s.

The -ania is an allusion to Trump's wife. Why isn't she being the first lady? While I don't think very highly of her, that's completely on him.

So Trump is such an asshole his wife isn't really speaking to him and he's spending all of his time with this dude.

It's not black and white, and your caution is well-intended and should be well-considered.

Ms. Toad

(35,731 posts)
39. It is black and white on DU.
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 11:18 PM
Dec 23

Misgendering someone (referring to Musk using female labels or names) is a violation of the TOS, as EarlG made clear.

Per EarlG:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100215969127
https://www.democraticunderground.com/101312142

bucolic_frolic

(47,902 posts)
43. Assigning all the detrimental attributes to men is also sexist
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 06:17 AM
Dec 24

Most men had nothing to do with the underlying.

CrispyQ

(38,713 posts)
45. We don't assign those attributes,
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 09:35 AM
Dec 24

we merely point out that there's a version of masculinity, which appears to be growing, that embraces the worst of human attributes & glorifies them. The reverse of that is to shame & humiliate what are traditionally considered feminine traits. And women aren't immune to these ways of thinking either but I do think you will find women who think this way are generally aligned with these types of men.

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