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edhopper

(35,041 posts)
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 03:26 PM Monday

Americans see Homeless People as a bigger problem

than People being Homeless. And that is "F"ed up

There is no solution to the first without taking care of the second.

And the solution is to help them get a home. All of their other problems can't be fixed if they don't have a home first.

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Americans see Homeless People as a bigger problem (Original Post) edhopper Monday OP
Yesterday I read a statement on Facebook that really resonated. CrispyQ Monday #1
Just as they see the mentally ill more of a problem than the lack of mental health services... hlthe2b Monday #2
The disease called capitalist greed is causing all kinds of societal side effects. nt yaesu Monday #3
Spot on! SallyHemmings Monday #8
For many Homeless, yes, a free home is the solution. maxsolomon Monday #4
which brings us back to mental health rampartd Monday #6
I thought the most important thing was a free home. maxsolomon Monday #7
if every church in the US would house ONE street person it would help immensely nt msongs Monday #5
Ooh! Can we name them all Quasimodo? JoseBalow Monday #10
350,000-400,000 churches Red Mountain Monday #12
Americans have always hated the poor, going back to the Puritans, who considered it a moral failing. SunSeeker Monday #9
"The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike . . . Journeyman Monday #20
"Hate" is much too strong a word, especially if attempting whathehell Monday #21
I wish you were correct. SunSeeker Yesterday #23
buy design North Coast Lawyer Monday #11
The Godawful Superintendent of Education Devilsun Monday #13
Believe it or not, a lot of homeless people have phones and access to WiFi. Intractable Monday #17
That's because a phone and internet access Voltaire2 Yesterday #27
Then let's get 'em into some homes then. Iggo Monday #14
where? you know of some empty ones laying around? maxsolomon Yesterday #24
I'm growing weary of what Americans "think". orwell Monday #15
This is true edhopper Monday #18
Yes, parroting utterances from the media Voltaire2 Yesterday #28
This all started when Ronnie Raygun killed funding for mental health and opened the doors AZLD4Candidate Monday #16
This is also true. edhopper Monday #19
Yes and no. Certainly that's meant more truly ill people on the street, but maxsolomon Yesterday #25
Yes we need more affordable everything Meowmee Monday #22
K&R Think. Again. Yesterday #26

CrispyQ

(38,584 posts)
1. Yesterday I read a statement on Facebook that really resonated.
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 03:32 PM
Monday

It was by a woman psychologist & she said therapy is helpful but most people just need more money. An economy for all would solve a ton of our ills. Instead, we have a bubble, predatory system that sucks everything from the lower classes up to the top.

hlthe2b

(106,752 posts)
2. Just as they see the mentally ill more of a problem than the lack of mental health services...
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 03:35 PM
Monday

Reaganism's legacy...

maxsolomon

(35,358 posts)
4. For many Homeless, yes, a free home is the solution.
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 04:04 PM
Monday

Others can't/won't stay in housing due to mental illness.

A big obstacle: there aren't enough free homes.

rampartd

(863 posts)
6. which brings us back to mental health
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 04:43 PM
Monday

the most important thing is a job. to be employed i might have to move to another city or state , home or not.

maxsolomon

(35,358 posts)
7. I thought the most important thing was a free home.
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 04:59 PM
Monday

Many of the chronic homeless will never hold a job again.

SunSeeker

(54,049 posts)
9. Americans have always hated the poor, going back to the Puritans, who considered it a moral failing.
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 05:26 PM
Monday

I didn't realize how much Americans hated the poor until I took a course while in college at UCLA entitled "Law and the Poor." What an eye opener that was. Want to know who is favored and who is hated? See how the law treats them.

Journeyman

(15,176 posts)
20. "The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike . . .
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 06:56 PM
Monday

“The law, in its majestic equality, forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal their bread.”

― Anatole France

whathehell

(29,873 posts)
21. "Hate" is much too strong a word, especially if attempting
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 07:59 PM
Monday

to describe an entire country's citizenry. To the extent negative attitudes toward the poor exist, the more likely word is "disdain", but even that, when referencing the past, is hardly unique to America. For comparison, one need only recall the treatment of the poor as depicted by Charles Dickens and Victor Hugo in their respective countries. As for the 20th century, consider the efforts of Franklin Roosevelt (The New Deal) and Lyndon Johnson (The Great Society) in alleviating poverty along with like minded reformers in Europe.




SunSeeker

(54,049 posts)
23. I wish you were correct.
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 01:18 AM
Yesterday

Of course I'm not referring to every single individual living in America, but rather America as a whole, when I say Americans hate the poor. The poverty reduction efforts that started with FDR and LBJ, particularly the welfare policies for the under 65 poor, have been slashed and maligned. What the French-built Statue of Liberty refers to as the "tired, poor, huddled masses yearning to breathe free" our president-elect refers to as "vermin." Republicans just rode that wave of hatred right into the White House and secured control of Congress.

And this is nothing new. As shown by polls conducted by the Pew Research Center, the American public does not seem to be overly concerned about high poverty rates and low and stagnant economic mobility, although it is likely that many Americans don’t realize just how high poverty rates really are or just how low economic mobility rates really are. In annual polls conducted between 2007 and 2015, a little over half of Americans typically thought that “dealing with problems of the poor and needy should be a top priority.” https://www.brookings.edu/articles/what-are-the-presidential-candidates-saying-about-poverty-and-opportunity/

11. buy design
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 05:35 PM
Monday

Conservatives and their lap dog media outlets have been demonizing the poor for as long as I can remember.

Devilsun

(285 posts)
13. The Godawful Superintendent of Education
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 05:44 PM
Monday

In AZ has a TV commercial aimed at helping students that are homeless. It asks them to go online and register for "free" glasses. How in the Hell are homeless people going to see the ad and or use the internet? 😮‍💨

Intractable

(586 posts)
17. Believe it or not, a lot of homeless people have phones and access to WiFi.
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 05:51 PM
Monday

In this day and age, the phone can be more important to some than the home.

Voltaire2

(14,869 posts)
27. That's because a phone and internet access
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 02:59 PM
Yesterday

is frequently a prerequisite to jobs, housing, access to benefits etc.

orwell

(8,001 posts)
15. I'm growing weary of what Americans "think".
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 05:46 PM
Monday

After this election it is clear that they do not think at all.

Americans just elected a rapist.

A majority of voting Americans are clearly mentally ill.

AZLD4Candidate

(6,366 posts)
16. This all started when Ronnie Raygun killed funding for mental health and opened the doors
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 05:49 PM
Monday

Now the people that need service for mental health that can't function right are left to their own devices. Mentally ill people are 15x more likely to not be able to hold a job, struggle with everyday life, and use self-medication to cope.

Thus begins the downward spiral. Thanks to Ronnie Raygun.

maxsolomon

(35,358 posts)
25. Yes and no. Certainly that's meant more truly ill people on the street, but
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 01:55 PM
Yesterday

the crisis really got going when the pharmaceutical opiate crisis made 10s of 1000s of people into useless drug addicts.

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