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gab13by13

(25,399 posts)
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 03:07 PM Yesterday

Garland's Decisions For 2 Investigations

1. Matt Gaetz

Gaetz was accused of numerous sex related crimes which carried a minimum sentence of 10 years in prison.
Garland looked at the evidence from numerous individuals, including Gaetz partner in crime who turned state's evidence on Gaetz. Including the victim herself along with other eye witnesses, along with documentation, receipts.

Garland deemed the witnesses to not be reliable and shit canned the prosecution.

2. Hunter/Joe Biden

The investigation into the Bidens had been going on for years. Hunter and Joe were accused of taking kickbacks from Burisma and China.
Garland became AG and continued the investigation. The main FBI informant, whistleblower got his information from Russian agents. The main informant is being prosecuted for lying to the FBI and stands to do jail time. Nevertheless, this investigation was allowed to branch out until prosecutor Weiss dug up a tax violation (one that is rarely prosecuted) and gun violation against Hunter. In order for Weiss to indict Hunter on the tax crime he asked Garland to make him a special counsel, and Garland gladly obliged.

3. Garland Bonus decision.

Garland appointed Hur a special counsel to investigate President Biden having possession of classified documents at his properties.
Garland released Hur's unredacted report on his investigation that contained lies and defaming statements about Joe.

Still waiting on Garland to release the Mueller report and am not holding my breath for Garland to release the Jack Smith reports.

I still have scars that haven't healed for my truth telling about Merrick Garland.

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Garland's Decisions For 2 Investigations (Original Post) gab13by13 Yesterday OP
If the "truth" you tell is imaginary, are the "scars" actually real? Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #1
I haven't seen any links from Empty Wheel lately, gab13by13 Yesterday #3
Once again... Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #9
Reality doesn't need to be defended. dchill Yesterday #19
You mean like how Luigi changed reality? Nt Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #33
Sure, FT, sure. Anything you say. dchill 22 hrs ago #41
Just trying clarify what you meant to say. Nt Fiendish Thingy 21 hrs ago #42
Lol! This seems to be the new argument all the Garland Scrivener7 11 hrs ago #44
Still quite inaccurate Fiendish Thingy 9 hrs ago #46
Of course. They're doing secret things behind the scenes and it's not a Law & Order episode. Scrivener7 8 hrs ago #58
Secret things behind the scenes? Fiendish Thingy 8 hrs ago #59
So it is only for the people who disagree with you. Somehow, that doesn't surprise me at all. Scrivener7 8 hrs ago #60
Are you talking about DOJ's non-public actions during the early part of the investigation? Fiendish Thingy 8 hrs ago #62
That's nice. Happy holidays to you and yours! Scrivener7 8 hrs ago #63
Indeed! Here's to a hate-free holiday to you and all at DU! Nt Fiendish Thingy 7 hrs ago #66
*sigh* Scrivener7 6 hrs ago #74
Garland screwed this country Envirogal 7 hrs ago #68
Walk me through how Garland, or any AG of your choosing, could have circumvented the courts' obstruction Fiendish Thingy 7 hrs ago #70
In 2003, we called this a personal attack, a violation of the TOS. Duncan Grant Yesterday #5
If you've been here since 2003, surely you've seen the pushback on gab's Garland bashing Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #14
Blaming Garland for everything that's wrong with the world gets old! LeftInTX Yesterday #18
He offered them a republican to vote for, they didn't. Blue Full Moon Yesterday #24
Garland has beyond a doubt helped the republicans and their takeover. Blue Full Moon Yesterday #23
That is your opinion Fiendish Thingy Yesterday #32
Proof is in the pudding Blue Full Moon Yesterday #35
Facts support the fact either he is incompetent or complicit Blue Full Moon Yesterday #36
The facts support neither conclusion Fiendish Thingy 23 hrs ago #40
Fact. We are now on the road to a fascist dictatorship. Fact. The actual criminals now have full power and have hadEnuf 10 hrs ago #45
You left out many facts Fiendish Thingy 9 hrs ago #47
Oh, come on. hadEnuf 9 hrs ago #48
Again, ignoring facts for your own distortion of reality Fiendish Thingy 9 hrs ago #50
Sorry, Garland concentrated on putting away a few small fish while trying not to look "political" to the big fish. hadEnuf 8 hrs ago #61
The big fish was indicted Fiendish Thingy 8 hrs ago #65
Too bad you weren't around to advise the civil rights leaders when they called out injustices in the 50's and 60's. 58Sunliner 9 hrs ago #49
K&R Think. Again. Yesterday #2
"It's not a Law & Order episode!!11!!" Scrivener7 Yesterday #4
Even Biden said picking Garland was a mistake. Mike 03 Yesterday #6
+1 dalton99a Yesterday #13
If Biden felt it was such a mistake to pick Garland, why didn't he fire him a couple of years ago? TheRickles Yesterday #17
Because it would have looked awful with a pending investigation against Hunter. SunSeeker Yesterday #21
If you think about that question in terms of political reality, you'll have your answer Orrex 6 hrs ago #71
He could have urged Garland to retire in order to spend more time with him family..... TheRickles 6 hrs ago #73
That would be effectively the same as firing him Orrex 6 hrs ago #75
Damn, the bigger picture makes Garland look like an op and that's still bad. uponit7771 Yesterday #7
all I had to do was see.... Grasswire2 Yesterday #37
The FBI informant, Smirrnov, pleaded guilty. gab13by13 Yesterday #8
At this point, Milquetoast would have been a shit justice on SCOTUS Aviation Pro Yesterday #10
Many posts have been hidden for saying the obvious dalton99a Yesterday #11
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music 9 hrs ago #52
Yep, many posts deleted. DiamondShark 8 hrs ago #54
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music 8 hrs ago #55
You mean like that? Chin music 8 hrs ago #57
I have to question the motivation. 58Sunliner 9 hrs ago #53
Shades of tulsi gabb... Chin music 5 hrs ago #80
Dems need to stop putting republicans in charge of DOJ and FBI oldmanlynn Yesterday #12
Garland is a traitor to the people to whom he is responsible ... NotHardly Yesterday #15
Garland is still our top cop, gab13by13 Yesterday #16
This message was self-deleted by its author onecaliberal Yesterday #20
"garland in heels"??? wtf does that even mean, because from where I niyad Yesterday #22
Point taken. Intent was they are of the same mind. onecaliberal Yesterday #25
"they" who? niyad Yesterday #28
Pardons are going to be like candy falling from a piata. 🪅.* rubbersole Yesterday #26
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music 23 hrs ago #39
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Yesterday #27
I was a Garland supporter for the first year or two. What a major, total disappointment he is, even derelict. MLAA Yesterday #29
I cannot blame gar for hiding under his desk through all of the fascist crime spree yaesu Yesterday #30
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Yesterday #38
This message was self-deleted by its author republianmushroom Yesterday #31
A little more, another one above the law. republianmushroom Yesterday #34
Failure... Plain and Simple djacq 12 hrs ago #43
Merry Christmas to you gab. 58Sunliner 9 hrs ago #51
Still 3auld6phart 8 hrs ago #56
Amd where oh where is the sc report? getagrip_already 8 hrs ago #64
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music 7 hrs ago #69
Guess what? In a month, you won't have Garland to kick around any more. MineralMan 7 hrs ago #67
Wasn't that Nixon's line? Scrivener7 6 hrs ago #76
What a great memory! MineralMan 6 hrs ago #77
Haven't seen any of the cheerleaders reciting the mantras lately Orrex 6 hrs ago #72
Right up there with Mueller, displacedvermoter 6 hrs ago #78
Never was a fan. But, it doesn't matter now. Politicub 5 hrs ago #79

Fiendish Thingy

(18,799 posts)
1. If the "truth" you tell is imaginary, are the "scars" actually real?
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 03:25 PM
Yesterday

Regardless of all the misinformation you’ve spread over the last few years, one thing remains unquestionably, undeniably true:

Your searing, blinding white hot hatred for Merrick Garland burns with the intensity of a thousand suns.

I defer to Master Yoda on hatred:

Fear is the path to the dark side. Fear leads to anger. Anger leads to hate. Hate leads to suffering


What Yoda didn’t speak on is that the suffering that comes from hatred often afflicts the hater as well as anyone targeted by their hate.

Sincerely wishing you a peaceful, hate-free Christmas and New Year. Self care will be critical in facing and resisting the challenges that lie ahead.

gab13by13

(25,399 posts)
3. I haven't seen any links from Empty Wheel lately,
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 03:37 PM
Yesterday

The main informant that Garland trusted in the Hunter/Joe investigation is going to prison and yet Garland allowed the bogus investigation to continue. Yet Garland dismissed the Gaetz investigation because of unreliable witnesses. Who can be more unreliable that an informant who gets his information from the KGB?

My scars have nothing to do with hate. My scars are the result of so many people attacking me because I keep posting the truth about Merrick Garland.

Why not post the Empty wheel link that is your only defense of Garland?

Fiendish Thingy

(18,799 posts)
9. Once again...
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 04:26 PM
Yesterday

I don’t defend Garland, I defend reality, by refuting your unsubstantiated opinions that you present as verified facts (yes, sometimes you include actual facts in your Garland bashing, but only as a path to insisting on a particular meaning gleaned from those facts).

Did Garland dismiss the Gaetz investigation, or was it the US Attorney in Florida?

Emptywheel appears to be focused on the challenges ahead, and the journalistic malpractice occurring on a daily basis. She has covered the Trump investigations exhaustively, and, aside from Smith’s final report, I’m not sure what else there is to discuss unless new information surfaces. There is no need for me to post past links from her site, as you never read them anyway, or if you did, your blinding hatred for Garland kept you from understanding the point she was making.

My scars have nothing to do with hate. My scars are the result of so many people attacking me because I keep posting the truth about Merrick Garland.


From my unscientific observation, it was only a handful of posters who challenged you on your false statements about Garland and the DOJ. Otherwise, your Garland-bashing threads often rose to the top of the rec list - seems that would give you quite a boost, rather than scars.

The fact is you seem driven to post Garland bashing OP’s almost daily, scapegoating him for everything from Trump escaping justice (when folks in the reality based community know the real villain of this story is the Roberts court) to Harris losing the election, to the heartbreak of psoriasis.

My wish is for you to, as Princess Elsa sings in Frozen, “Let It Go”, and free yourself from the prison of Garland hatred and let your self-inflicted scars heal so you will be prepared for the challenges that lie ahead.

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dchill

(40,760 posts)
19. Reality doesn't need to be defended.
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 05:18 PM
Yesterday

I needs to be changed, and many times, punched in the face.

Scrivener7

(53,179 posts)
44. Lol! This seems to be the new argument all the Garland
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 08:38 AM
11 hrs ago

apologist kids are sporting:

"We shit on you, insulted you, name-called and swarmed you FOR YEARS and insisted the DOJ was going to do something. Ok, it never happened, and now we know it won't, but there's no way we're going to admit we were wrong. So NOW, we're going to tell you to 'let it go.' Sometimes we'll also insist you're a bad Democrat if you don't let it go. Because we don't like to talk about it. For obvious reasons. So move on, all! Nothing to see here!"

I do like your addition: the portrayal of yourself as one of the brave few standing against the many. That is just hilarious.

I will agree, though, that most of the scores of people who engaged in the swarming have been reasonable enough to admit their mistake. Only a handful still insist that the glaring evidence of their obvious wrongness is meaningless because Marcy Emptywheel says so.

Fiendish Thingy

(18,799 posts)
46. Still quite inaccurate
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 10:31 AM
9 hrs ago
"We shit on you, insulted you, name-called and swarmed you FOR YEARS and insisted the DOJ was going to do something. Ok, it never happened, andnow we know it won't, but there's no way we're going to admit we were wrong


Your statement still frames the argument as DOJ did nothing , and those of us defending reality know that is factually inaccurate, that DOJ did indeed do something (investigate and prosecute Trump) despite obstruction and delays from both career staff and the courts.

Then you double down and call those who point out this observable, measurable reality (DOJ did indeed investigate and prosecute Trump) “apologists”. The defense of reality requires no apologies.

If anyone is acting as an apologists, it is those who completely ignore (and apparently accept and forgive) the indisputable, critical role the courts, especially SCOTUS played in enabling Trump to evade justice. No matter who the AG was - Schiff, Kirschner, Weissman, Yates, you pick - the delays and obstruction by the courts and the ultimate outcome - no trial before the election - would have been the same.

I am fully expecting your reply to move the goalposts (“yes, Garland and DOJ “did something”, but it was slow, incompetent and not aggressive enough”, etc.) I can only have a discussion with you based on your actual words , which is why I have quoted you in my reply.

P.S. I don’t think I’ve ever insulted anyone personally- I have ridiculed the errors in their arguments and questioned their motivation for spreading provably false information, but did not insult or call them names. Believe it or not, we all wanted to see Trump behind bars.

Scrivener7

(53,179 posts)
58. Of course. They're doing secret things behind the scenes and it's not a Law & Order episode.
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 11:46 AM
8 hrs ago

Grasshopper.

But shouldn't you be letting this go? Or is that just the people who disagree with you?

Fiendish Thingy

(18,799 posts)
59. Secret things behind the scenes?
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 11:59 AM
8 hrs ago

What are you talking about?

The investigation, indictment and prosecution of Trump by DOJ is part of the public record, and refutes the claim by you and others that “DOJ did nothing”.

Indeed, my original response to gab was to encourage him to “let go” of his burning, all consuming hatred for Garland, as a form of self care to better prepare for the challenges ahead. Of course, the choice is ultimately his to make. Despite the distressing outcome of Trump’s court-enabled evasion of justice, I carry no such hatred, so there is nothing to “let go” of.

In the meantime, I will continue to defend reality and the facts that contribute to that reality.

(See quote in my sig line for more info)

Scrivener7

(53,179 posts)
60. So it is only for the people who disagree with you. Somehow, that doesn't surprise me at all.
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 12:01 PM
8 hrs ago

Also, "what are you talking about?"

You can't be serious. Really, that's too much. This is parody, right?

Fiendish Thingy

(18,799 posts)
62. Are you talking about DOJ's non-public actions during the early part of the investigation?
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 12:16 PM
8 hrs ago

Sure, those things were “behind the scenes”, but much more is known now than was known in 2021-22, hence my confusion over your comment that apparently referred to DOJ actions “behind the scenes” that you seemed to imply were taking place right now . I’ve made no such claims about current DOJ activities.

Someday, perhaps we will all know even more about what went on internally at DOJ during the Trump investigations, but what we do know at present definitely refutes any assertions that DOJ “did nothing”.

My advice to “let go” of hatred stands for all of us who hope to maintain the emotional stamina required to cope and resist during the next four years. True, deep-seated Hatred is an all-consuming, crippling emotion that can cast aside love and compassion (see how the insurrectionists treated their own families, some even threatening to kill their families).

Hatred of Garland, and scapegoating him for Trump’s evasion of justice, when the finger of blame should be pointed squarely at the courts, is, as you say, probably limited to those who disagree with me.

Envirogal

(176 posts)
68. Garland screwed this country
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 12:32 PM
7 hrs ago

Not sure why you jumped on this because it is so obvious Garland sat on his hands. If he had held Trump accountable early in (knowing he uses the courts to delay) rather than waiting too long and allowing Tramp enough time to rebrand, regroup and….delay.

Fiendish Thingy

(18,799 posts)
70. Walk me through how Garland, or any AG of your choosing, could have circumvented the courts' obstruction
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 12:59 PM
7 hrs ago

Step by step, if you please.

Remember, anytime a “more aggressive” AG might have prevailed in a lower court on a particular issue (immunity, executive privilege, attorney-client privilege, admissibility of evidence), that ruling would have been appealed to a higher court, and a stay issued blocking any movement on the prosecution or trial.

There would have been no end of issues litigated, and in the end, the outcome would not have been different- there would have been no trial before the election.

BTW, DOJ began a preliminary investigation of Trump before he left office in 2021, and Garland launched a formal investigation, with a dedicated team of prosecutors, in June 2021. He did encounter resistance from career staff at DOJ and FBI, but, as the abundant evidence shows, did not “sit on his hands”.

Why do you ignore the critical role of the courts in enabling Trump to evade justice?

Duncan Grant

(8,560 posts)
5. In 2003, we called this a personal attack, a violation of the TOS.
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 03:58 PM
Yesterday

I’d be happy to read anything you post about the content of the OP. If there’s a good factual defense of Garland, let’s discuss that and weigh the merits of two opinions/analysis.

I’m less interested in reading insults directed at an individual.

Fiendish Thingy

(18,799 posts)
14. If you've been here since 2003, surely you've seen the pushback on gab's Garland bashing
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 04:39 PM
Yesterday

Which is in itself a violation of TOS.

When dozens, sometimes hundreds, of folks have rec’d his Garland scapegoating posts without question, A handful of us, about 4 or 5 IIRC, have consistently challenged gab’s false statements and faulty conclusions (opinions drawn from facts, which aren’t supported by those facts) repeatedly and often at great length and detail with numerous factual sources.


The investigations have been closed, and the charges dismissed. There is no need to rehash the tiresome “debate” over whether Garland is the true villain in this story.

Scapegoating requires minimal critical thinking skills, and provides bountiful emotional rewards, often at the expense of a clear perception of reality. 77 million Trump voters have proven that to be true.

Fiendish Thingy

(18,799 posts)
32. That is your opinion
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 06:55 PM
Yesterday

Not supported by facts in evidence.

There is far more factual evidence that the Roberts court intentionally and deliberately aided and abetted not only Trump’s escape from justice, thwarting Garland and Smith’s efforts to hold him accountable, but also assisting the Republicans in their transforming of America into an autocracy.

Fiendish Thingy

(18,799 posts)
40. The facts support neither conclusion
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 08:47 PM
23 hrs ago

That is your opinion drawn from the facts.

Incompetence would require proof of good intentions, but poor, unskilled execution, whereas fact based reality has shown while there was indeed intention to investigate and prosecute to the full extent of the law, with a team of experienced prosecutors on hand, the execution of the investigation was obstructed by career employees at DOJ and FBI, as well as by SCOTUS.

Complicity would require evidence of Garland’s intentions to assist Trump in evading justice, and in Garland directly obstructing the investigation and prosecution. There are no facts in evidence to support this conclusion (and no, Garland moderating panels at the Federalist Society nor the passage of time between the launching of the investigation in June 2021 and the indictments are not PROOF! of Garland’s complicity)

hadEnuf

(2,787 posts)
45. Fact. We are now on the road to a fascist dictatorship. Fact. The actual criminals now have full power and have
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 10:12 AM
10 hrs ago

been walking away laughing while the DOJ was prosecuting obscure and rarely enforced technical laws against Democrats.

Quotes from imaginary Yoda are not really assuaging at this point.

Fiendish Thingy

(18,799 posts)
47. You left out many facts
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 10:44 AM
9 hrs ago

Without all the facts, the story is incomplete.

Other than Hunter Biden, which Democrats were prosecuted for “obscure and rarely enforced technical laws”?

You completely ignored the facts regarding the delay and obstruction by the courts and the role it played in enabling Trump to evade justice.

hadEnuf

(2,787 posts)
48. Oh, come on.
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 10:56 AM
9 hrs ago

The fact is that no number of apologies is going to validate the slow walking and milquetoast handling of Republicans by Garland's DOJ.

Fiendish Thingy

(18,799 posts)
50. Again, ignoring facts for your own distortion of reality
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 11:06 AM
9 hrs ago

Lots of MAGA insurrectionists (who I’m assuming are republicans) are behind bars.

Trump is not, and that isn’t due to any “slow walking and milquetoast handling” (your subjective opinions not supported by the facts), but is largely due to delays and obstruction by the courts.

As I said in another reply, pick your preferred AG- Schiff, Kirschner, Weissman, Yates, etc. and the outcome - no trial before the election- would have been the same.

hadEnuf

(2,787 posts)
61. Sorry, Garland concentrated on putting away a few small fish while trying not to look "political" to the big fish.
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 12:05 PM
8 hrs ago

And the big fish swam away.

Trying to overthrow the government seems pretty political to me and any actual moves to hold Trump accountable would have been made totally political by the Republicans anyway, so I guess Garland just chickened out?

You can dissect it and split hairs claiming facts, but overall, Garland let Trump and the Republicans slide.

Fiendish Thingy

(18,799 posts)
65. The big fish was indicted
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 12:19 PM
8 hrs ago

It was the courts that allowed him to swim away.

As for the medium size minion fish, it was Jack Smith , not Garland, who declined to seek indictments of those co-conspirators (although most were identified as unindicted co-conspirators). If the courts hadn’t obstructed justice, and Trump went to trial, those co-conspirators would have likely been called as witnesses and pressured to flip.

58Sunliner

(5,000 posts)
49. Too bad you weren't around to advise the civil rights leaders when they called out injustices in the 50's and 60's.
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 11:06 AM
9 hrs ago

Scrivener7

(53,179 posts)
4. "It's not a Law & Order episode!!11!!"
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 03:56 PM
Yesterday

Well, it turned out that's for damn sure.

Precious little law or order resulted from Garland's tenure.

Mike 03

(17,359 posts)
6. Even Biden said picking Garland was a mistake.
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 04:18 PM
Yesterday

According to Bob Woodward, his inner circle--people closest to him--pushed for Garland.

Source: WAR, by Bob Woodward

dalton99a

(84,866 posts)
13. +1
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 04:37 PM
Yesterday
The book also examines the long shadow cast by Trump over the foreign conflicts of the past four years and over the bitter U.S. political environment in which they have unfolded. And it includes candid assessments by Biden of his own missteps, including his decision to make Merrick Garland attorney general. Reacting to the prosecution of his son Hunter — by a special prosecutor named by Garland amid partisan recriminations over the Justice Department’s prosecution of Trump — the president told an associate, “Should never have picked Garland.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/10/08/bob-woodward-new-book-war-trump-putin-biden/

TheRickles

(2,468 posts)
17. If Biden felt it was such a mistake to pick Garland, why didn't he fire him a couple of years ago?
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 05:06 PM
Yesterday

SunSeeker

(54,041 posts)
21. Because it would have looked awful with a pending investigation against Hunter.
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 05:36 PM
Yesterday

It's the same reason Biden initially would not pardon Hunter...

Until he realized, with the election of Trump, that Americans don't give a shit about appearance of impropriety.

Orrex

(64,322 posts)
71. If you think about that question in terms of political reality, you'll have your answer
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 01:31 PM
6 hrs ago

If Biden had fired him and the subsequent AG's actions resulted in pro-Biden or anti-Trump outcomes, then Biden, the AG, and the outcomes would have been attacked 24/7 by the reichwing propaganda machine and every Republican in government.

It was a mistake to pick Garland, a mistake that Biden openly acknowledged. But by then it was too late to replace him.

TheRickles

(2,468 posts)
73. He could have urged Garland to retire in order to spend more time with him family.....
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 01:33 PM
6 hrs ago

Grasswire2

(13,737 posts)
37. all I had to do was see....
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 08:17 PM
Yesterday

....that the person who pushed Garland into AG job is the same person who is or was personal attorney for the Trump crime family to know that Garland for AG was an op.

AKA "Mistress of Disaster" for questionable decision making in the past.

gab13by13

(25,399 posts)
8. The FBI informant, Smirrnov, pleaded guilty.
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 04:21 PM
Yesterday

Now there is a rush to get him sentenced January 8th, I believe. Smirnov has dirt on everyone, including Congressional Magats.

Something is rotten in Denmark with the push for an early sentence. Marcy Wheeler is laughingly calling what Smirnov did and what Hunter did to be similar, give me a fucking break.

Musk/Trump may want to get Smirnov sentenced during Joe's presidency and that will give Trump an excuse to pardon a Putin stooge. Trump will claim, as Marcy has claimed, that Smirnov got too stiff of a sentence. Smirnov won't have to worry about going near windows in high buildings.

Aviation Pro

(13,568 posts)
10. At this point, Milquetoast would have been a shit justice on SCOTUS
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 04:29 PM
Yesterday

His judgement or lack thereof is profound and I hope the little weasel does not get a Presidential pardon.

Response to dalton99a (Reply #11)

Response to DiamondShark (Reply #54)

gab13by13

(25,399 posts)
16. Garland is still our top cop,
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 05:05 PM
Yesterday

and I have zero proof about this but something smelly is going on at DOJ. It usually takes 3 months to sentence someone and Smirnov wants to be sentenced in less than 30 days.

I am saying that Musk/Trump are working out the best logistics for him to pardon a Russian mole FBI informant.

Marcy Wheeler is claiming that what Hunter and Smirnov did should have gotten similar sentences, that is a joke. So when Smirnov is sentenced while Joe is still president once Trump takes over he will quickly claim that the Biden justice department overreached in its sentencing so then Trump will have an excuse to pardon a Russian mole.

Maybe Garland is clueless as to what is going on?

Bookmark this post, if I am wrong and Trump does not pardon or commute Smirnov's sentence, I will own up to it.

Response to gab13by13 (Reply #16)

niyad

(120,648 posts)
22. "garland in heels"??? wtf does that even mean, because from where I
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 05:44 PM
Yesterday

am sitting, it reads like an extremely sexist insult.

rubbersole

(8,696 posts)
26. Pardons are going to be like candy falling from a piata. 🪅.*
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 05:59 PM
Yesterday

Russian assets will be at the top of the list. The rule of law is only going to be used for retribution. Pam Bondi will make Garland (weak pos) look like Atilla the Hun to actual criminals in government.

*Spell check won't let me type piñata.

Response to gab13by13 (Reply #16)

Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

MLAA

(18,667 posts)
29. I was a Garland supporter for the first year or two. What a major, total disappointment he is, even derelict.
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 06:24 PM
Yesterday

yaesu

(8,354 posts)
30. I cannot blame gar for hiding under his desk through all of the fascist crime spree
Mon Dec 23, 2024, 06:36 PM
Yesterday

it's a scary world out there!

Response to yaesu (Reply #30)

Response to gab13by13 (Original post)

djacq

(1,677 posts)
43. Failure... Plain and Simple
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 08:02 AM
12 hrs ago

Dean Obeidallah was right...

We Democrats need fighters and Garland was not a fighter.


58Sunliner

(5,000 posts)
51. Merry Christmas to you gab.
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 11:17 AM
9 hrs ago

Garland did not do his job to protect our democracy. The end result speaks for itself.

getagrip_already

(17,537 posts)
64. Amd where oh where is the sc report?
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 12:18 PM
8 hrs ago

I doubt we will ever see anything of substance. Its likely under review by garland.

He probably ran out of black ink.

Response to getagrip_already (Reply #64)

Orrex

(64,322 posts)
72. Haven't seen any of the cheerleaders reciting the mantras lately
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 01:32 PM
6 hrs ago

Thou shalt not suggest that Garland is anything less than a paragon of justice, alacrity, and propriety.

displacedvermoter

(3,219 posts)
78. Right up there with Mueller,
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 02:04 PM
6 hrs ago

another tireless defender of the law.

Do you think we will ever see his unredacted report? Probably when we see Smith's.

Politicub

(12,291 posts)
79. Never was a fan. But, it doesn't matter now.
Tue Dec 24, 2024, 02:34 PM
5 hrs ago

His appointment is coming to an end. What’s the point of complaining?

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