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DBoon

(23,244 posts)
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 10:50 AM Dec 21

He's anti-democracy and pro-Trump: the obscure 'dark enlightenment' blogger influencing the next US administration

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/21/curtis-yarvin-trump

Curtis Yarvin is hardly a household name in US politics. But the “neoreactionary” thinker and far-right blogger is emerging as a serious intellectual influence on key figures in Donald Trump’s coming administration in particular over potential threats to US democracy.

Yarvin, who considers liberal democracy as a decadent enemy to be dismantled, is intellectually influential on vice president-elect JD Vance and close to several proposed Trump appointees. The aftermath of Trump’s election victory has seen actions and rhetoric from Trump and his lieutenants that closely resemble Yarvin’s public proposals for taking autocratic power in America.
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Yarvin suggests that a would-be American autocrat should campaign on and win an electoral mandate for an authoritarian program. They should purge the federal bureaucracy in a push Yarvin has anagrammatized as Rage (for “retire all government employees”).

They should simply ignore any court rulings that seek to constrain them. They should bring Congress to heel, in part by mobilizing their populist base against recalcitrant lawmakers. And liberal or mainstream media organizations and universities should be summarily closed..


He is calling for a "Caesar" to rule the US as an autocrat, eliminating any residue of liberal democracy. JD Vance has spoken very highly of him
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He's anti-democracy and pro-Trump: the obscure 'dark enlightenment' blogger influencing the next US administration (Original Post) DBoon Dec 21 OP
Throw him in prison without a trial and then see what he thinks of the US Constitution. He'd be begging for it. Walleye Dec 21 #1
We did a poor job communicating Vance's crazy ideas. yardwork Dec 21 #2
Blame the rancidity corrupt and incompetent American media Charging Triceratops Dec 21 #5
We can't count on the media. yardwork Dec 21 #6
When the autopsy is written on America, the whore media will be found as the cause of death. OMGWTF Dec 21 #14
MidasTouch network on youtube is awesome! Bluethroughu Dec 21 #28
Great, another nazi weirdo. Dave Bowman Dec 21 #3
This guy is extremely dangerous and scary karin_sj Dec 21 #4
He sounds very nuts! people Dec 21 #12
Dafuq?!? OMGWTF Dec 21 #15
Isn't this the plot of The Matrix? skypilot Dec 21 #16
Anyone ever read FalloutShelter Dec 21 #26
I'm sure President Vance will nominate him NameAlreadyTaken Dec 21 #7
Curtis Yarvins goal is to have divide all the states up in the US into Jspur Dec 21 #8
They tried that in England Beck23 Dec 21 #23
Peter Theil sounds dumb AF also. They are just Bluethroughu Dec 21 #29
I heard that Theil is quite enamored with Yarvin's ideas tikka Dec 21 #30
I have two words for this guy: Maximilien Robespierre Yavin4 Dec 21 #9
may mao got the "cultural revolution " idea right rampartd Dec 21 #32
I don't know who the hell Curtis is... Blue_Tires Dec 21 #10
None of them are invulnerable Nigrum Cattus Dec 21 #13
I think what happened to Caligula is also a good lesson for him DBoon Dec 21 #25
OH GOODY state of stupid Dec 21 #11
Who wants to bet Yarvin got his start spapeggy Dec 21 #17
More about Yarvin here, in a thread from five months ago: highplainsdem Dec 21 #18
He's a genuine scumbag. BradBo Dec 21 #19
He thinks liberal democracy is decadent? nuxvomica Dec 21 #20
He sounds like a seditionist Dyedinthewoolliberal Dec 21 #21
We know what happened to Caesar. Beck23 Dec 21 #22
A life unearned Buddyzbuddy Dec 21 #24
This IS SEDITION. Bluethroughu Dec 21 #27
We're in for a really scary time... karin_sj Dec 21 #31

Walleye

(36,717 posts)
1. Throw him in prison without a trial and then see what he thinks of the US Constitution. He'd be begging for it.
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 10:54 AM
Dec 21

These kind of guys are the first ones to start crying for their rights. Remember the story “A Man Without a Country”? He can always move to Russia if he likes dictatorships.

yardwork

(64,933 posts)
2. We did a poor job communicating Vance's crazy ideas.
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 10:56 AM
Dec 21

Somehow Vance came across as reasonable. We failed to get the truth out.

5. Blame the rancidity corrupt and incompetent American media
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 11:17 AM
Dec 21

They have collectively destroyed the country.

yardwork

(64,933 posts)
6. We can't count on the media.
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 11:19 AM
Dec 21

I wish Democratic leaders communicated more. Daily press conferences, social media, etc.

karin_sj

(1,133 posts)
4. This guy is extremely dangerous and scary
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 11:04 AM
Dec 21

Apparently, Vance really admires this guy. I read an article about him recently that had this passage:

“In 2008, a software developer in San Francisco named Curtis Yarvin, writing under a pseudonym, proposed a horrific solution for people he deemed “not productive”: “convert them into biodiesel, which can help power the Muni buses.”

Yarvin, a self-described reactionary and extremist who was 35 years old at the time, clarified that he was “just kidding.” But then he continued, “The trouble with the biodiesel solution is that no one would want to live in a city whose public transportation was fueled, even just partly, by the distilled remains of its late underclass. However, it helps us describe the problem we are trying to solve. Our goal, in short, is a humane alternative to genocide.”

He then concluded that the “best humane alternative to genocide” is to “virtualize” these people: Imprison them in “permanent solitary confinement” where, to avoid making them insane, they would be connected to an “immersive virtual-reality interface” so they could “experience a rich, fulfilling life in a completely imaginary world.”

https://newrepublic.com/article/183971/jd-vance-weird-terrifying-techno-authoritarian-ideas

skypilot

(8,953 posts)
16. Isn't this the plot of The Matrix?
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 12:57 PM
Dec 21
He then concluded that the “best humane alternative to genocide” is to “virtualize” these people: Imprison them in “permanent solitary confinement” where, to avoid making them insane, they would be connected to an “immersive virtual-reality interface” so they could “experience a rich, fulfilling life in a completely imaginary world.

NameAlreadyTaken

(1,680 posts)
7. I'm sure President Vance will nominate him
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 11:24 AM
Dec 21

for Vice President, then resign and leave this vile, dangerous lunatic in the most powerful job in the world.

Jspur

(662 posts)
8. Curtis Yarvins goal is to have divide all the states up in the US into
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 11:29 AM
Dec 21

mini states in which corporate CEO's would rule these mini states as dictators and people living in the ministates would be exempt from having constitutional rights since they would no longer be a citizen of the US.

He is a very deranged man and is empowered by these tech oligarchs because they want to be dictators. I'm amazed when I listen to this guy talk because he has zero charisma, and his voice sounds very weird. I say this because usually it's people with great charisma and oratory that are the ones to push ideas on society where it's good or bad.

Beck23

(284 posts)
23. They tried that in England
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 01:54 PM
Dec 21

...with Dukes and Barons and such, and lots of wars. Lots of religious wars too.

Bluethroughu

(6,139 posts)
29. Peter Theil sounds dumb AF also. They are just
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 03:05 PM
Dec 21

Basement boiz. They elaborate on the newest dystopian novel they read. Incels.

tikka

(786 posts)
30. I heard that Theil is quite enamored with Yarvin's ideas
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 05:37 PM
Dec 21

If Theil likes it, so will his protege, Vance, will too.

Yavin4

(36,736 posts)
9. I have two words for this guy: Maximilien Robespierre
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 11:58 AM
Dec 21

I'm listening to a podcast on the French revolution and the Reign of Terror.

Also, don't confuse me with that guy. He's Yarvin. I'm Yavin4.

rampartd

(1,130 posts)
32. may mao got the "cultural revolution " idea right
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 09:54 PM
Dec 21

something li,ke that seems to be becoming necessary.

Blue_Tires

(57,221 posts)
10. I don't know who the hell Curtis is...
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 12:02 PM
Dec 21

Or why he's worthy of a profile in the Guardian, but clearly he doesn't remember exactly what happened to Julius Caesar in the end...

Just because Donnie has a God complex doesn't mean he's invulnerable 😐

Nigrum Cattus

(251 posts)
13. None of them are invulnerable
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 12:31 PM
Dec 21

Most everyone has their limits
The old saying "when you ain't got noth'in you got noth'in to lose" comes to mind

state of stupid

(89 posts)
11. OH GOODY
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 12:16 PM
Dec 21

Sounds like he watched The Matrix a few too many times. Can I be Neo or Morpheus?
Let's roll!

nuxvomica

(13,063 posts)
20. He thinks liberal democracy is decadent?
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 01:19 PM
Dec 21

He knows nothing about history then. Historically, empires in the decadent stage are ruled by oligarchs with a dictator as their figurehead. Yarvin is actually the decadent one.

Buddyzbuddy

(150 posts)
24. A life unearned
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 02:28 PM
Dec 21

I'm starting to think some of these people that have achieved financial success or popularity at a young age may have done so without paying their dues. Without struggle how would you recognize empathy for others or the norms of living within a just society. IMHO, I would attribute much of it to the progress of computers. Don't get me wrong, it's not blame, just an observation. How many software engineers, bitcoin developers/traders, social influencers that have achieved financial success are under the age of 30 or 25. They've taken the ball and run with it. I applaud them. But, there is a responsibility to society. The society that allowed for that success. Now we have monsters of the universe that have money to buy politicians which gives them power over many. Greed, money, power, cruelty in that order. No rules, no moral compass. Ambition and success can be and should be good in the right hands. The guardrails no longer exist. The corrupt Supreme Court has given carte Blanche to the worst of us. The scales of justice have 6 thumbs holding it off balance. Justice will continue to evade us unless we get better political fighters working on our behalf.

Bluethroughu

(6,139 posts)
27. This IS SEDITION.
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 02:58 PM
Dec 21

Just because a plan like Project 2025 is in the open, does not make it JUST free speech. It is a plan to overthrow our government and should be crushed by the government.

This IS what our institutions are paid for!

karin_sj

(1,133 posts)
31. We're in for a really scary time...
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 05:55 PM
Dec 21

If Trump and his minions follow through on what this maniac is proposing. In the Guardian article, Yarvin promotes the following, "They should simply ignore any court rulings that seek to constrain them. They should bring Congress to heel, in part by mobilizing their populist base against recalcitrant lawmakers. And liberal or mainstream media organizations and universities should be summarily closed.

Given the post-election period and Trump’s preparation for a return to the White House, Yarvin’s program seems less fanciful then it did in 2021, when he laid it out for Anton.

Midway through their conversation, Anton says to Yarvin, “You’re essentially advocating for someone to – age-old move – gain power lawfully through an election, and then exercise it unlawfully”, adding: “What do you think the actual chances of that happening are?”

Yarvin responded: “It wouldn’t be unlawful,” adding: “You’d simply declare a state of emergency in your inaugural address.”

Yarvin continued: “You’d actually have a mandate to do this. Where would that mandate come from? It would come from basically running on it, saying, ‘Hey, this is what we’re going to do.’”

Throughout the 2024 campaign, Trump promised to carry out a wide array of anti-democratic or authoritarian moves, and effectively ran on these promises. Trump has suggested he might declare a state of emergency in response to America’s immigration crisis."

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