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Mysterian

(5,207 posts)
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 09:30 AM Saturday

Trump's Georgia case is likely over -- and Fani Willis is to blame

https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/fani-willis-nathan-wade-prosecute-trump-rcna184921

The disqualification of DA Willis and her office doesn’t just impact this single case — as significant as it is. It undermines public confidence in our justice system and raises legitimate questions, yet again, about her prosecutorial judgment. The relationship between Willis and Wade, along with the financial arrangements surrounding his appointment, created an appearance of impropriety that could have and should have been avoided.


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Trump's Georgia case is likely over -- and Fani Willis is to blame (Original Post) Mysterian Saturday OP
People aren't going to like blaming her, but... JohnnyRingo Saturday #1
This was written by Willis' opponent in the election she won to become D.A. Ocelot II Saturday #2
Yeah, just more smear. Think. Again. Saturday #3
I find it ironic edhopper Saturday #4
Willis did nothing wrong gab13by13 Saturday #5
I agree that she was fearless and an incredibly capable DA karynnj Saturday #14
Utter nonsense. The cult does it again. Always gets people to swallow bullshit. Solomon Saturday #29
Even working on opposite sides is not an ethical violation. Hassin Bin Sober Saturday #40
if she had been the virgin mary rampartd Saturday #34
Exactly!! The ONLY reason she was removed is bluestarone Saturday #23
0% chance rampartd Saturday #35
Oh Bullshit! bluestarone Saturday #39
Facts ThePartyThatListens Saturday #25
most code of ethics prevents hiting or contracting with relationships to decision maker rampartd Saturday #36
BS - Willis is nothing more than a scapegoat for the GOP loonies in Georgia that worship Trump. walkingman Saturday #6
She certainly added to her own problems, but Bluetus Saturday #7
If you are going to take on the powerful, you have to be squeaky clean Prairie Gates Saturday #8
What isn't clear edhopper Saturday #10
Because the other side is the POWERFUL Prairie Gates Saturday #12
Yet two of the Special Prosecuters Garland appointed edhopper Saturday #15
rules do not apply to them rampartd Saturday #37
Even being squeaky clean is not enough in some parts of the country karynnj Saturday #17
Except Mad_Machine76 Saturday #27
A Georgia appeals court displayed remarkable disrespect for precedent by removing Fulton County DA Fani Willis Quiet Em Saturday #9
Oh, for fuck's sake. Scrivener7 Saturday #11
Thank you. yardwork Saturday #22
DA Sister Mary Immaculata would also have been crucified by Trump's henchmen. sop Saturday #13
For all her faults, fact remains kansasobama Saturday #16
How do you dismiss the charges against Trump, without dismissing the Charges? mackdaddy Saturday #18
She should have just had a fling with a porn star. RedWhiteBlueIsRacist Saturday #19
This is more bs. Nobody cares about not just appearances JI7 Saturday #20
Go read The dissent the only dissenting judge Fullduplexxx Saturday #21
Forgetting the relationship that shouldn't have but did derail the case, I think Willis' biggest mistake was going RICO Silent Type Saturday #24
Ego is a powerful thing EdmondDantes_ Saturday #30
LOL what kind of agitprop bullshit is this? Blue_Tires Saturday #26
I live in GA Henry203 Saturday #28
What does Ms. Willis relationships with anybody have to do with trump's RICO trial ? republianmushroom Saturday #31
it sucks for sure but even without Willis's affair and all the nonsense that brought.... Takket Saturday #32
Does it really matter kacekwl Saturday #33
People who go after Republicans forget they are RELENTLESS Marigold Saturday #38
It's no one's fault. Nothing sticks on this guy Thrill Saturday #41
Like a white collar crime... lame54 Saturday #42

JohnnyRingo

(19,419 posts)
1. People aren't going to like blaming her, but...
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 09:33 AM
Saturday

...it seems to be the bottom line here.
I know she meant well and he goal was noble in her cause, but she provided a loophole that the defense happily took advantage of.

edhopper

(35,041 posts)
4. I find it ironic
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 09:37 AM
Saturday

that they are holding her to a standard that the person she is prosecuting doesn't just have the appearance of impropriety, but is a constant in all his appointments. And no one makes him accountable for making his high offivr all about personal gain.

gab13by13

(25,400 posts)
5. Willis did nothing wrong
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 09:38 AM
Saturday

saying that she did is a right wing talking point.

We need more DA's just like her, fearless.

karynnj

(60,012 posts)
14. I agree that she was fearless and an incredibly capable DA
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 09:56 AM
Saturday

The complex case she put together, which led to top lawyers pleading guilty was amazing.

While I get the intense pressure she was under and that she tried to get someone other than Wade, they should have made the tough decision that either they needed someone else to take that job or they had to not allow themselves to have a romantic relationship.

I get that there is abundant irony that a consensual relationship between two single people could destroy a case where the number of serious charges was what it was. However, the fact that everyone on that case directly or indirectly worked for her made this an issue.

Unfair as it is, she had to know that the people around Trump and the others would pull any thread to see if they could create a scandal. She had to know that it was very risky especially when one defendant hired someone who worked with Wade in the past.

As it is, I suspect that Trump's actions there might have led to a SC decision that this fell under his immunity. At any rate, if it were just a problem with Willis, the case could be pursued by someone else. I think I remember that her whole office would be excluded if she was. I think Georgia is essentially killing the case.

Solomon

(12,490 posts)
29. Utter nonsense. The cult does it again. Always gets people to swallow bullshit.
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 12:29 PM
Saturday

Her relationship had absolutely nothing to do with prosecuting the case. They were on the same damn team. Happens a lot when people work together. Now if they were on opposing sides, that would have been an issue.

What is it about this cult that they get people to swallow ridiculous ideas, like Trump being able to pardon himself, that the president is immune from prosecution, etc., etc.? It goes on and on and on.

Hassin Bin Sober

(26,790 posts)
40. Even working on opposite sides is not an ethical violation.
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 01:09 PM
Saturday

That’s why they had to turn this into some “vacation profit” scheme.

rampartd

(869 posts)
34. if she had been the virgin mary
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 12:52 PM
Saturday

rudy would have just found a laptop or something "proving" whatever headline sounds worst.

"just open the investigation. let me and the congressmen do the rest." trump to barr (sworn testimony to jan 6 committee)

his "perfect phone call" to zelenski was similar in nature.

bluestarone

(18,405 posts)
23. Exactly!! The ONLY reason she was removed is
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 10:56 AM
Saturday

TFG fears what she would do!! So just wondering wh at your thoughts are on what the Georgia SC will do? Does she have a shot of being re-installed? HOPE SO, but it's Georgia.

walkingman

(8,546 posts)
6. BS - Willis is nothing more than a scapegoat for the GOP loonies in Georgia that worship Trump.
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 09:39 AM
Saturday

No wonder people have no faith in our justice system. Trump is as guilty as sin. Everyone knows it.

Bluetus

(292 posts)
7. She certainly added to her own problems, but
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 09:42 AM
Saturday

the fundamental issue is that we obviously have a two-tiered system that allows people like Trump to use an unlimited number of legal games to escape accountability. There was never a chance that this was going to happen in Georgia.

Prairie Gates

(3,568 posts)
8. If you are going to take on the powerful, you have to be squeaky clean
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 09:46 AM
Saturday

absolutely above board, beyond even a smudge of anything.

It's not clear why people don't understand this.

Prairie Gates

(3,568 posts)
12. Because the other side is the POWERFUL
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 09:53 AM
Saturday

That's how it works.

If you are going to take on the powerful...

edhopper

(35,041 posts)
15. Yet two of the Special Prosecuters Garland appointed
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 10:04 AM
Saturday

to go after Biden and Hunter were far from squeaky clean, but that was all good.

rampartd

(869 posts)
37. rules do not apply to them
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 01:02 PM
Saturday

a republican senator can be caught in an airport mens room and allowed to remain, but just let al franken tell a tasteless joke.

"only nixon can go to china"

karynnj

(60,012 posts)
17. Even being squeaky clean is not enough in some parts of the country
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 10:08 AM
Saturday

Consider the accusations against Joe Biden, who after 30 years as Senator had been one of the poorest. Consider Obama had to deal with absurd claims that he was born in Kenya. Consider that by the Navy accounts, John Kerry was a genuine war hero and a leader very regarded by those reporting to him.

Even being squeaky clean does not give them clear paths, but it gives the Republicans far less to work with.

Like this unimportant relationship derailing the case, consider what we loss with the Clinton impeachment. It essentially meant that Bush, drunk till he was 40, ran on bringing back decency. Without that impeachment, the election could have been on the excellent economy and the fact that the budget had a surplus.

Mad_Machine76

(24,782 posts)
27. Except
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 12:23 PM
Saturday

the powerful, apparently. Us proles are held to impossibly high standards while our opponents are held to NONE. I'm done accepting that. I'm not saying that we should not hold ourselves to high standards but we're all going to fall short in one way or another and we should always fight to hold the real scumbags to account in spite of it!

Quiet Em

(1,184 posts)
9. A Georgia appeals court displayed remarkable disrespect for precedent by removing Fulton County DA Fani Willis
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 09:49 AM
Saturday
Whether it’s a trickle-down effect from the high court or just a shared love of untethered jurisprudence, the Georgia Court of Appeals displayed remarkable disrespect for both precedent and common sense in reversing trial judge Scott McAfee’s decision and finding that DA Willis and her entire office must be disqualified from the Georgia election interference case brought against Donald Trump and eight co-defendants.


https://www.msnbc.com/opinion/msnbc-opinion/trump-fani-willis-shouldnt-be-disqualified-georgia-election-rcna184913

A counter argument to what you posted. If Democrats want to win on messaging than we have to counter the ridiculous Republican narratives.

sop

(11,576 posts)
13. DA Sister Mary Immaculata would also have been crucified by Trump's henchmen.
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 09:55 AM
Saturday

Just like all the other efforts to hold Trump accountable, the Willis prosecution was doomed.
.

kansasobama

(1,546 posts)
16. For all her faults, fact remains
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 10:07 AM
Saturday

Our nation is fucked. It is not true no one is above law. Trump is. That undermines everything. It just does not matter why she was removed. Okay, if she is removed, it needs to go forward with a tough prosecutor. Since it won't, everything is BS.

We are already into an end of democracy
Seeds are already being down for a United States to be not the same. In fact, I am doubtful it can remain a United States in another 100 years. Constitution, Electoral system, and the Supreme Court has shackled the nation.

mackdaddy

(1,618 posts)
18. How do you dismiss the charges against Trump, without dismissing the Charges?
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 10:26 AM
Saturday

Prosecute the prosecutors, apparently.

19. She should have just had a fling with a porn star.
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 10:35 AM
Saturday

No appearance of impropriety there, inluding hush money payments.

JI7

(90,881 posts)
20. This is more bs. Nobody cares about not just appearances
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 10:37 AM
Saturday

but outright thuggery and crimes done by Trump but democrsts are always supposed to be perfect.

I would agree if this was anyone else that didn't openly get with things like Trump and it was someone people thought wss a good person. But not in this case .

Silent Type

(7,325 posts)
24. Forgetting the relationship that shouldn't have but did derail the case, I think Willis' biggest mistake was going RICO
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 11:56 AM
Saturday

with 15 or so defendants, complicating and dragging out the case.

EdmondDantes_

(115 posts)
30. Ego is a powerful thing
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 12:34 PM
Saturday

Between trying for RICO and hiring an affair partner, she put herself in this position. All the whataboutisms don't change that the prosecutors are intentionally held to a high standard and she should have kept the case simple, especially given the complexity in prosecuting a powerful person. But she opted for a case that would make her famous and to hire someone she shouldn't have. I can only presume that was her ego making those choices

Henry203

(178 posts)
28. I live in GA
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 12:25 PM
Saturday

Last edited Sat Dec 21, 2024, 12:57 PM - Edit history (1)

And have never liked her. She went after school teachers and administrators like they were evil people. They may have fudged scores but they were trying to do good for the underclass. Putting people in jail for this was playing into the hands of stereotypes and the benefit was for the white establishment.
She took a simple case and made it too big. She had one target and she delayed the case and ultimately hurt her standing and the case against Trump. Acalssic exmaple of hubris

republianmushroom

(18,179 posts)
31. What does Ms. Willis relationships with anybody have to do with trump's RICO trial ?
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 12:35 PM
Saturday

"undermines public confidence in our justice system", what justice system, the good old boys republicans justice system ? It shows it it alive and doing well in Georgia.

This is nothing but Georgia white republicans white washing trump's orange ass.

Takket

(22,659 posts)
32. it sucks for sure but even without Willis's affair and all the nonsense that brought....
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 12:37 PM
Saturday

he was never going to be punished anyway. NY convicted him of 34 felonies and he's still going to be president.

the president is above the law, even for things he did before and after his presidency, and we are lying to our law students if we tell them otherwise in this country.

kacekwl

(7,648 posts)
33. Does it really matter
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 12:38 PM
Saturday

anymore ? trump will never do time or suffer consequences. Hopefully he will take a dirt nap soon.

Marigold

(215 posts)
38. People who go after Republicans forget they are RELENTLESS
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 01:04 PM
Saturday

If you are going to go after the King, you better make sure you are squeaky clean and above reproach. The Repugs will search for every and any technicality, mistake, stretch of the truth, and pounce like a pack of jackals. Her personal relationship should have no bearing on the case, but it does. Bill Clinton learned that. She should have known what they are capable of considering the case she was prosecuting. And how does a county prosecutor fight the unending stream of money and power to find something, anything, to bring her down?

Thrill

(19,311 posts)
41. It's no one's fault. Nothing sticks on this guy
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 01:10 PM
Saturday

He gets away with everything. You knew this was going to happen. The real Teflon Don

lame54

(37,206 posts)
42. Like a white collar crime...
Sat Dec 21, 2024, 03:12 PM
Saturday

Happens everyday everywhere
But once in a while somebody gets picked to be the example

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