Yes this might be his downfall.

His love of self, grandiosity, needs to be the center of attention.
His immaturity and self focus.

Musk thinks he's the smartest person in the world. He thinks he's unstoppable, and he'll soon be the wealthiest (known) person in the world. However, I don't think he's really that smart. He's audacious and he's lucky.

Maybe he'll go too far and it will crash down on him.

His self view is quite distorted and he may be facing reality quite soon.

I don't know if they still do it. Mostly for fun, they tried to figure out from historical records, what caused the deaths of famous people. One year they'd do Alexander the Great, etc.

I was fascinated by their analysis of George Custer. They decided he might have had Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Contemporary records talked about his flamboyant dress, he's egotistical behavior, and his tendency to do reckless things. He ordered his men into a crazy situation that was doomed to fail, because he was convinced he couldn't be wrong. Apparently he'd done it before, but it finally caught up to him.

And drugs.

This along with drug addiction is not a good combination.

i have no idea what that does to you, but he probably won't hire anyone who fails a urinalysis.

rfk jr thinks heroin helped him study. you could't prove it by his public health policy.

most of the proud boys and such look like they are on meth and/or opiates

if don jr and guilfoyle are not on coke i'd be surprised

are we up against a horde of drugged out zombies?

Usually crime organizations discourage their leaders from using the drugs they sell.

Trump gravitates to rich, entitled, spoiled, nepo babies who use drugs like other people breathe.

Yes for sure Don Jr and Guifoyle are serious coke addicts.
Every video I see of them, they are high as kites.

I suspect RFKjr may still be using something.

Don't forget the steroid abusers like MTG.

When the WH drug list during Trump's presidency was released, my eyes popped out of my head.
I was astounded at the drug list, the huge amount of controlled substances handed out like candy.
I also noted that quite a few of the drugs being handed out could be used as date rape drugs.

dear leader himself is said to take adderall, or

maybe he did hang out at studio 54 for a decade without drinking or taking drugs lololololololol who believes that bs

and how about the stepford eyes on those tradwives. must be momma's BIG helper.

but, my new maga governor wants to stop my prescription cannabis and i have to stop anyway in case someone decides to answer my resume .

Trump is a reported huge cocaine addict back in the day.
Now he snorts adderall, which is also a strong stimulant.

Sure, he ran around with the rich cocaine set and Epstein and there were no drugs.
Sure.

Don Jr uses coke like there is no tomorrow.

Yes good point about all the drugged out Trump stepford wives.
All their plastic surgeries and hair extensions. They use drugs to cope.

Trump's first wife was said to be a hopeless alcoholic. No one was surprised she
fell down the stairs and died.

The hypocrisy is almost enough to wonder if they want to corner the drug market, too.

It's as if they deny, even to themselves, their own need for drugs, and express that denial by attacking others who use drugs.

Maybe they believe that their money separates them from the street user. It's like saying, "I'm not like those losers. I'm important and powerful. Drugs are just fun for me, but the losers are hooked on them."

It's like an alcoholic businessman who uses his business dinners and parties as cover for drinking. He sees himself as a social drinker and despises the destitute guy on the street corner begging for money to buy a bottle of cheap wine.

They have the same problem. Only money separates them. But the one with money detaches himself/herself from the poorer user through projection and contempt.

are the ones with repressed desires.

dogmatic approach to heterosexual marriage and subjugation of women.

He can't accept himself so turns himself into the great defender of a caricature of what he thinks he should be.

He definitely doesn't like being a married straight man with kids. I'm not sure if he's gay or what but he's not living his best life, that's for sure.

I read that he was raised Catholic. There are some very extreme repressive Catholic sects in Ohio. No idea if that's relevant, but could be.

To his legacy classmates at Yale who he suspects called him white trash behind his back.

I thought that his childhood religious experience was Fundamentalist Protestant and he converted to Catholicism later.

I have known a couple of gay men who tried to conform to religious expectations on sexuality. One of them was a guy that I'll call "Joe." I knew Joe decades ago, back when I was 18. My then boyfriend and I double dated with him and his girlfriend, both of whom were Catholic. My boyfriend told me once that he thought that Joe might be gay because he seemed indifferent to women when other guys talked about them. I shrugged it off as idle gossip.

Decades later, after moving out of state, I encountered Joe when in my home town visiting relatives. He was openly gay, had a husband, and was well established and respected as a ranking member of the police department.

The other closet gay is someone that I knew as a co-worker years ago. He was a religious fundamentalist who seemed miserable in his marriage. He was misogynistic toward his wife and other women, maybe out of resentment for feeling pressured into a way of life that he didn't like? I don't know. The marriage ended when he found a boyfriend and skipped town.

Vance reminds me of the guy in that second couple, except that Vance doubles down on the religion and misogynistic attitudes toward women.

Sometimes people don't know what's wrong.

You are probably right about his upbringing - my knowledge about it is very hazy.

We chatted for a few minutes. I was with a woman who worked in the same municipal building as Joe and knew him. Later, she asked me how I knew him. When I told her that Joe and his girlfriend had double dated with my boyfriend and me back in our late teens, she was surprised. I just said that, obviously, he was not "out" back then.

my theory on the spectrum is that we are all on there somewhere. some much more than others.

autism was around long before louis pasteur invented vaccine, but we are becoming more adept at diagnosing as science progresses coincident with vaccines

I also think he may be bipolar.

Or Trump, either.

He cannot read the room or predict how people will react.

Chronic drug use never leads to anything good

Edit: oops dupe reply with drugs

His relationships with women

That one mother of his child Grimes is it? She’s got some nasty on him and a custody lawsuit

Mistreating women never leads to anything good

Of course he has forced them to sign NDAs.
And if he cuts off their money, they are screwed.

No NDA can’t beat it

Then you ask the question you just posed.

What ideas do you have as you read what people are posting about Musk's weak areas?

From what I do know, he seems to be as narcissistic as Trump. A younger, wealthier version of him.

I don't think that Musk acts alone. I think that he has the backing of other wealthy supporters of the MAGA movement and that they are more politically astute than he is. That might include Putin.

Trump is too senile to be of much use. Vance can't pull in a following. So Musk appears to the one chosen to replace Trump.

If you look at the weaknesses, do any thoughts come to you about strategy?

Yes Musk is a narcissistic sociopath like Trump.
A bit smarter, he was able to use his skills to make money.

Yes he is obviously working with Putin and probably other fascist leaders.
South Africa is part of BRICK, the organization which wants to bring down the US.

We can assume other billionaire oligarchs are in contact with Musk.

Yes very good point. Musk is the new point man.
Trump is on the wane, sick and senile.
No one likes Vance.

Musk it is. No need to run in an election, just have the GOP appoint him to high office.

Musk/Trump demands to remove the debt ceiling shows a Musk weakness. The large number of Republicans who voted against the Musk/Trump version and their outspokeness in opposing it suggests that Musk does not yet have their support. I suspect some resentment over a "foreigner" telling them what to do.

We could use that by continuing to hammer Musk with labels of unelected, not a natural born citizen, and not eligible to be president - or to play at being president.

We could use the MAGA xenophobia about foreigners to undercut Musk with them and with MAGA followers.

Keep trolling Trump and Musk with the
President Musk label and we can hit two fascist narcissists with one stone.

Add more labels and shade between now and January 20 to undercut Musk before the new regime takes over. The labels should be the kind that undermine Musk with MAGAs so that they refuse to follow him.

Even after he threatened to pay for primary opponents against sitting members of congress.

His attempts to strong arm and control them didn't seem to get the desired results.

People don't like him. Except MTG who thinks he should be speaker of the house.

Musk is not just a foreigner, he is an unelected foreigner.
Ordering sitting MOCs around like they are his Tesla staff.

I think you are right. Use their own tactics of "the other" against them.
Musk is foreign, unelected, acting as POTUS when he is not even eligible to run for that office.

Plus he is obnoxious and unlikeable.

Yes another advantage of your plan is that it will hit Trump's narcissism big time.
There is only one star of the show, and it is Trump.

Of course I don't know how intact Trump is right now.
It is almost like there is a power vacuum and Musk took himself into the power center.

or he is being put forward by people who want him to replace the mentally declining Trump.

Either way, we could undermine Musk by labelling him in ways that feed the MAGA rejection of him and promote disunity among MAGAs.

Yes I agree, great idea.
Use MAGA tactics against them.
Make them reject Musk.

Nationalize his StarLink and Space Program. Take the contracts away, federalize his employees, and MOVE ON. And remove ALL security clearances. He's an arrogant prick who thinks he owns people. Show him that he DOES have a boss. Musk didn't INVENT anything. He's an INVESTOR, not a creator. He's crazy too. It's evident in his "quest" to colonize Mars. Who the fuck wants to live on Mars? It's a deeply frozen desert. The entire planet. Humans can't take care of their own planet, and we want to ruin another one? I'd much prefer that, if Musk persists, he should be the first inhabitant on that frozen dust ball, with enough fuel for 2 months of travel on the way back.

realistically, is a MAGA controlled WH and Congress going to nationalize anything?

Other solutions you proposed would require Dem control, too.

Without them he will feel empty.

I believe the wealthy are fantasizing about travel to Mars for a reason.
They know they have trashed the planet and at some point it will be inhabitable.
This is one reason they are trying to amass as much of the planet's resources as possible.
They are looking for Plan B.

I am not saying it makes sense, but the billionaires are used to their wealth solving all their problems.

I'm actually still pondering this myself. I need to know more before making a blanket statement that he is a terrible father. He seems incredibly angry that he has a transgender daughter. She has estranged him. He goes the extra mile to be cruel to trans people. His desire to put his ex wife (wives?) and his massive number of children all together on a specially built compound is very bizarre--it is almost like a physical Non Disclosure Agreement. He wants that aspect of his life kept quiet. I think having a daughter beyond his control drives him crazy. (I think his daughter may have moved to another country).

Something about that. He needs to control everything. He is thin=skinned and hates criticism.

More than his drug abuse or mental health, I think we should zero in on his perception of himself as a father.

But that is just my tentative theory. Maybe he will do something today that pushes us in a different direction.

Really smart, good question. Years ago I had wanted to approach Trump from his angle.

His hatred of his trans daughter is pathological.
He sounds paranoid when he talks about her.

He is said to have at least 11 children with three different mothers.
There are rumors that he has more.

This reflects his narcissism and grandiosity: he and his DNA are special.
I have read that his fantasy is to populate Mars with his DNA.
God help us.

You might want to make an OP about Trump, asking the same question.
What is Trump's achilles heel?

All his wealth depends on TSLA stock. Turn that off. Turn him off.

Take down his net worth and Musk will have a break down?

the only reason that those in power used to listen to him.
he also wields some serious influence on the stocks of other companies and a rabid set of bots.
but the stock is pretty much the linchpin.

Just let me know so I can go short on everything...



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SpaceX, the Boring Company, significant AI investments and many others. To be fair, these are all very highly correlated probably. Maybe SpaceX is less correlated if he can lick in huge government contracts.

He's the biggest swamp thing.

That and his dependency on government contracts. If he pisses the republicans off enough, his grift could easily get chopped in future budget fights.

TSLA is a meme stock at this point.

Car sales are slipping as more people feel disgust towards him, and the cars get associated with crashes and fires. He only has about 3% of the general share of market sales in the US. The stock is overpriced for the size of that business.

Activist investors could target TSLA for shorting. It's a house of cards. i hope they blow him up.

It’s also one of the scariest parts of him

He got screwed recently because he has no idea how congress works.
He never had a junior high US civics class.

And they do not understand the protections of the constitution. What we have now is a Republican party that thinks of the United States as a piece of real estate to be exploited, sold off, etc.. much as we might expect putting a real estate scam artist in charge of the whole country

The PutinGOP fascists and billionaires are done with democracy.
It no longer serves any purpose for them and gets in the way of their goals.
Total permanent power and access to all world wealth and resources.

Lots of evil forces have tried to take over the United States. We are too big and unmanageable. We’ll see if they manage it this time.

Yes can the Xi and Putin evil empire get and maintain control of the US.

However they don't really need control.

They just need US chaos, confusion, and self destruction to obtain their goals.

I wish the Democrats would talk about this every day. Starting in the 1970s, the very wealthy decided that they'd figure out how to grab as much money and power as possible. They have succeeded.

Democracy is in their way.

not just eloon. i’d like to see the wh pharmacy records for the last 4 yrs. i’m guessin they look a lot different than the 1s from tsf’s 4 yrs. apparently everyone was high in those yrs.

i think cawthorn spoke the truth, drug fueled orgies r common place in the corridors of power. not only leads to bad decisions, but to blackmail.

and it’s not just in d.c. here’s a story about corp life in the 80’s-
i had a teacher when i got my design cert about 15 yrs ago who had worked in pr for disney. she met her hubs there. when they sent out vhs tapes to critics, they filled the drive holes w coke.
DISNEY!

there in big money, too. my ex worked at cboe. there werent a lot of places he cd have taken his specialized skills. maybe half doz local cos. 1 of them was citadel, the big hedge fund. several of the ppl he worked w went there. they gave huge signing bonuses, and the money was great.
they all burned out in about 2 yrs. some crawled back. nobody every said it out loud, but btn the lines, the ‘burn out’ of choice was coke.
ever see ‘the wolf of wall street’?

high as a kite is no was to run anything, whether it’s a hotdog cart or a country. i think the zeal to drug test ppl for every job ran out of steam when ppl started pointing out that they were only testing powerless grunts.

DRUG TEST CONGRESS.

w/o drugs, it’s just 1 person v the next 1. they see themselves as the rare 1s willing to risk it all.
they see sober ppl as just 🐓.

The wealthy ruling class in the US has been rife with drugs since the '80s.

Members of Congress are well known for their sex and drug parties.
Some of them never look sober when on camera.

POTUS BushJr was always drunk whenever he was seen in public.
Also said to be a big cocaine user.

The millionaires/billionaires who bribe our politicians and judges are all high on drugs too?

Most of the them cannot pass a drug/alcohol test.

I can't remember exactly but apparently it was more obvious than usual. MTG? Boebert?

Gaetz is a big drug user, he used to show nude pictures of the women he slept with to
his congressional colleagues at work.

MTG is said to be addicted to steroids. And her judgement is awful too.
She showed d*ck pics on the floor of congress.

Boebert is drug and alcohol addicted. Had sex out in public in front of children.

So they are obsessed with sex and drugs.

Lindsay Graham never looks sober to me.

Yep, MTG was involved.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/jamie-raskin-drinking-house-hearing-b2547301.html

I'm guessing that you would have lost your license if you did that.

On the other hand, so many Americans seem to have alcohol and SA issues, especially since COVID, maybe their carousing makes the MAGA politicians relatable.

"Hitler’s drug use was of epic proportions, Post said. In addition to cocaine, the German dictator also took amphetamines, sedatives, and hormones, prescribed by a doctor Post described as a “quack.” "
https://medicine.yale.edu/news/yale-medicine-magazine/article/when-the-leader-is-illor-addicted-to-cocaine/

and cops on roids…. 1 of my pet peeves. u dont need a drug test. that buff guy who only spends a half hour in the gym- roids. acne. aggressive behavior, which doesnt confine itself to the citizenry.
any cop who gets a use of force complaint she b drug tested.

Not sure if this book is still available - but read it years ago and it discusses Hitler and the entire top of the SS being high as a kite.

Look how that's worked out for Rudy or anybody else who's taken up full-time blowjobbing of Orange Julius.

They are not in the same class as the Rudy types.

We shall see if being the richest man in the world protects Musk from the Trump disaster syndrome.

Was depressed by a telephone conversation with one of my longest friends, yesterday. She and her husband are wealthy and voted for TSF in 2016 and 2020, but went for Harris this year. I was so pleased.

Now, however, she and her husband are all-in for Musk and the "advice" he's giving to this admin. She believes Musk is a certifiable genius. My counterpoints were ignored. She and her husband are educated, intelligent -- yet blind, imo. The only rationale I can figure is that they believe their family's wealth will grow if Musk is influencing policy. And maybe she's right.

Sad to sell the nation out for your personal gain.

So he is eyeing Europe as well as the US and North America.
Of course this aligns with Putin's goals of being in control of the US and Europe.

Yes it has been astounding to see so many well to do people sell out their country for financial gain.
Or perceived financial gain.

People who are already living quite well and have no complaints.
They want more, much more.
And don't care what they have to do to get it.

It's hard enough to run one company. When you try to run multiple companies and play "president" as well, something has to give. No one can be in total control of so much at once. I don't see him as one who would effectively delegate that responsibility.

What you describe is classic manic behavior.
Taking on way too many projects in a grandiose way.

But yes he is spread thin, how can he manage all of it.

Of course he thinks he is a real genius.
Who can do anything and everything.

Work for someone this crazy. I would bet the SpaceX and Tesla employees want to see as little of him as possible.

Too many people have made that mistake.

No matter what he does, that one stumbling block to his taking over the presidency for real is written as a rock-solid part of the Constitution. He is just ineligible to become president.

"Wilson said that, for as long as she could remember, Musk hasn’t been a supportive father. She said he was rarely present in her life, leaving her and her siblings to be cared for by their mother or by nannies even though Musk had joint custody, and she said Musk berated her when he was present."

“'He was cold,' she said. 'He’s very quick to anger. He is uncaring and narcissistic.'"

"Wilson said that, when she was a child, Musk would harass her for exhibiting feminine traits and pressure her to appear more masculine, including by pushing her to deepen her voice as early as elementary school."

“I was in fourth grade. We went on this road trip that I didn’t know was actually just an advertisement for one of the cars — I don’t remember which one — and he was constantly yelling at me viciously because my voice was too high,” she said. “It was cruel.”

“'I no longer live with or wish to be related to my biological father in any way, shape or form,' she said in the court filing."

"Musk threw a spotlight on Wilson on Monday by speaking about their relationship in a video interview with psychologist and conservative commentator Jordan Peterson streamed live on X, saying he didn’t support Wilson’s gender identity."

“'I lost my son, essentially,' Musk said. He used Wilson’s birth name, also known as a deadname for transgender people, and said she was 'dead, killed by the woke mind virus.'"

"And in a post on X, Musk said Monday that Wilson was 'born gay and slightly autistic' and that, at age 4, she fit certain gay stereotypes, such as loving musicals and using the exclamation 'fabulous!' to describe certain clothing. Wilson told NBC News that the anecdotes aren’t true, though she said she did act stereotypically feminine in other ways as a child."

"In recent years, Musk has taken a hard-right turn into conservative politics and has been waging a campaign against transgender people and policies designed to support them. This month, he said he was pulling his businesses out of California to protest a new state law that bars schools from requiring that trans kids be outed to their parents."

"On X, Musk has for years criticized transgender rights, including medical treatments for trans-identifying minors, and the use of pronouns if they are different from what would be used at birth. He has promoted anti-trans content and called for arresting people who provide trans care to minors."

"Musk told Peterson that Wilson’s gender transition has been the motivation for his push into conservative politics."

https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/elon-musk-transgender-daughter-vivian-wilson-interview-rcna163665

Vivian Jenna Wilson has been speaking out about her father lately. Maybe she'll be more public about her father's bizarre personality now that he's president, like Mary Trump.

He sees this child as a vicious plot against him.

In addition to the paranoia and anger, Musk's total narcissism is present.

It is about him, he is a victim. He doesn't see his child as a separate person with wants and needs of their own.

Good idea, perhaps they will become an outspoken critic of Musk like Mary Trump is of her uncle.

Just slip a little radioactive fentanyl in their drug stash, and summon them up to the 20th floor window meeting.

Like Icarus in Greek mythology, Musk will impulsively fly too close to the sun, where the wax, holding the feathers onto his wings, will melt, and he will plummet to a painful demise.

He believes everything is all about him.

Of course the Orange Traitor is also a narcissist. It will be entertaining to watch the Battle of the Egos when it erupts.

The control-freak personality is usually harboring something inside them that they can't control so they need to control everything else around them totally.

It’s like he can’t visualize the consequences of his actions.

Maybe he’s one of those people with aphantasia, who can’t see anything when they close their eyes, just darkness.

Which we should actively encourage - tell him that Trump has 6 bankruptcies, which proves he can't run anything, but you, Elon, have 4 successful businesses. So why are you supporting a person who is "less" than you? And you have way more money, anyway.

Then go to Trump and tell him how great he is, and how you are looking forward to his next term, but he needs to watch out for Elon, because Elon wants to take away your power. And Elon thinks he is better than you.

And go back and forth until they destroy each other. Pit them against each other. Egg them on to attack each other. Sow distrust.

Use Elon's narcissistic weakness to get him to try to push Trump aside.. And invest in popcorn, because they will both take the bait.

He has had multiple hair transplants and constantly needs to pump up his own ego.

Both of them are so full of themselves and Eloon does not know when to let up.

I've been waiting for a big blowup and think it will happen sometime in February.

He must have some air tight NDAs or pay them off good.

So is Trump's. Get two birds with one stone and free the country from these imbeciles by tanking their net worth. I'd hate to see so many others being hurt if it takes crashing the market, but it might be worth it in the long run.

As Walleye said, there's an appalling lack of knowledge of history in both Trump and Musk, and their belief that only they know what's best.

Which brings up what I think may be the biggest Achilles heel. Neither of them can stand to be seen as beneath someone else, be beholden, or be less than. From the beginning, I've thought that there are so many massive egos, including among those Trump is selecting for his administration, that there will be a major reckoning soon as the players try to maintain or gain superiority. I see an internecine war breaking out. Please pass the popcorn.

Needing that much protection shows how slender his grip on power and wealth is

Also the Roman Praetorian Guard was known to eliminate emperors who became too insane with power.

Musk = Caligula

will be his undoing. Someone above mentioned the story of Icarus, Leon believes all the hype about his “genius” the gods won’t be pleased.

and for that reason they can't share the same space. They're like matter and antimatter - the whole thing's gonna blow before long.

Narcissistic sociopaths and drug addicted.

Yes the question is how long they will last together, not if, but when it will blow up.

He is good at recognizing opportunities and starting things to take advantage of them. However, he doesn't know that much about the industries he has gotten involved with. He depends on others to actually do the work. However, he is not loyal to those he hires to do that work. That will lead to many problems for him down the road.

He has no established personal ethics. Those change from day to day to suit whatever mood he is in. And, since he consumes who knows what psychoactive drugs, what suits him on any particular day varies.

Inconsistence is his Achilles heel. It's going to bite him on the ass. Probably via Trump getting angry with the man for outshining Trump, whose shine is quite tarnished and dull.