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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(116,480 posts) Fri Dec 20, 2024, 03:16 PM Friday

The REAL reason Musk tanked the budget deal

This is short. I was reading this New York Times piece this morning (I know, I know) about the year-end budget deal and everything that was in it.

This part jumped out:

Criminalizing the publication of “nonconsensual intimate visual depictions,” including deepfake pornography, and requiring social media platforms to have procedures in place to remove the content after being notified by a victim.

The real reason Elon Musk went ballistic over this bill was this provision. It makes revenge porn, including deepfakes, illegal.

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2024/12/19/2292867/-The-REAL-reason-Musk-tanked-the-budget-deal

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The *REAL* reason Musk tanked the budget deal (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Friday OP

Better talking point phrasing: "Republicans tanked the budget deal to RockRaven Friday #1

NOTE: The new bill that the GOP just rolled out does NOT include this new law. no_hypocrisy Friday #2

This message was self-deleted by its author dalton99a Friday #3

details to come NJCher Friday #7

That's cuz that's all that X will be good for given its current trajectory into the moral abyss. CincyDem Friday #4

I simply cannot decide who i wish dies first. Mr. Evil Friday #5

I vote for the Muskratfucker to go first. ShazzieB Friday #6

I vote for mutually assured destruction. I want to see them explode each other in a cloud of shit. diane in sf Friday #10

Right now much prefer Musk drops dead. JI7 Friday #13

Unfortunately for Eloon, revenge porn is already whathehell Friday #8

What would happen now if it were posted on Twitter/X? Wiz Imp Friday #11

The 'target' of it could bring charges whathehell Friday #14

Against Musk? I'm under the impression he's not currently liable. Wiz Imp Friday #15

I can't think of a reason whathehell Saturday #20

I just found it. Twitter is not currently liable for illegal content posted by users Wiz Imp Saturday #21

omg what a sicko. Passages Friday #9

Biden or Harris needs to hold a press conference Blue Full Moon Friday #12

Agreed. yellow dahlia Friday #17

Let me get this straight. ReRe Friday #16

Can we all, PLEASE, just switch to using Bluesky? n/t AntiFascist Saturday #18

Well there is also this (Musk factories in China) RandomNumbers Saturday #19

RockRaven

(16,528 posts)

1. Better talking point phrasing: "Republicans tanked the budget deal to

Reply to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2024, 03:24 PM

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protect deepfake and revenge porn on Twitter"

no_hypocrisy

(49,194 posts)

2. NOTE: The new bill that the GOP just rolled out does NOT include this new law.

Reply to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2024, 03:36 PM

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Last sentence of the article in dailykos.

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dalton99a This message was self-deleted by its author.

NJCher

(38,223 posts)

7. details to come

Reply to dalton99a (Reply #3)

Fri Dec 20, 2024, 05:19 PM

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Hasn't hit the mainstream yet, but it's pretty ugly. When it does....

And it might come from a highly credible source.

CincyDem

(6,962 posts)

4. That's cuz that's all that X will be good for given its current trajectory into the moral abyss.

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Fri Dec 20, 2024, 03:46 PM

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Mr. Evil

(2,998 posts)

5. I simply cannot decide who i wish dies first.

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Fri Dec 20, 2024, 04:57 PM

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Musk-O-Rama or TSF. I just hope either or both of them dies soon. Sooner the better for humanity. I literally hope there is suffering involved.

ShazzieB

(18,925 posts)

6. I vote for the Muskratfucker to go first.

Reply to Mr. Evil (Reply #5)

Fri Dec 20, 2024, 05:19 PM

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Of course I want the Orange Hellbeast gone, too, but with Musk's mega billions behind him, I think he's immeasurably more dangerous than he would be otherwise.

I believe Musk is a big part of why TSF won. Trump was floundering until Musk came swooping down on a magic carpet made of endless money and rescued him by pumping huge amounts of that money into the campaign.

Don't forget, this was a VERY close election, as much as Repubs would like us all to believe otherwise. I belive that vast infusion of cash gave TSF the edge he needed to squeak by with a win, and my loathing for Musk has grown by leaps and bounds ever since.

diane in sf

(4,102 posts)

10. I vote for mutually assured destruction. I want to see them explode each other in a cloud of shit.

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Fri Dec 20, 2024, 05:26 PM

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JI7

(90,880 posts)

13. Right now much prefer Musk drops dead.

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Fri Dec 20, 2024, 05:49 PM

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whathehell

(29,873 posts)

8. Unfortunately for Eloon, revenge porn is already

Reply to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2024, 05:25 PM

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illegal in 48 states.

https://ballotpedia.org/Nonconsensual_pornography_(revenge_porn)_laws_in_the_United_States

Wiz Imp

(2,433 posts)

11. What would happen now if it were posted on Twitter/X?

Reply to whathehell (Reply #8)

Fri Dec 20, 2024, 05:33 PM

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I'm sure Musk prefers to do nothing.

whathehell

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14. The 'target' of it could bring charges

Reply to Wiz Imp (Reply #11)

Fri Dec 20, 2024, 05:49 PM

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either Civil, Criminal or both.

Wiz Imp

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15. Against Musk? I'm under the impression he's not currently liable.

Reply to whathehell (Reply #14)

Fri Dec 20, 2024, 05:56 PM

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whathehell

(29,873 posts)

20. I can't think of a reason

Reply to Wiz Imp (Reply #15)

Sat Dec 21, 2024, 03:08 PM

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why he, or his company "X" wouldn't be liable if one or both were found to be in violation of the law.

Wiz Imp

(2,433 posts)

21. I just found it. Twitter is not currently liable for illegal content posted by users

Reply to whathehell (Reply #20)

Sat Dec 21, 2024, 05:07 PM

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https://counterhate.com/blog/understanding-section-230-social-media-companies-get-out-of-jail-free-card/

Understanding Section 230 – Social Media Companies’ Get Out of Jail Free Card
Posted on May 17, 2024

Section 230 has two important sub-sections, each handing social media companies powerful tools to avoid accountability.

The first sub-section, (c)(1), immunizes platforms from lawsuits that treat them as the “publisher or speaker” of content created by ‘third-party’ users. This means that, for instance, the parents of children who overdose on drugs obtained via social media apps cannot sue the platforms because Section 230 holds that platforms have no responsibility for content created by drug dealers on their apps, even if their algorithms do nothing or promote it in children’s feeds.

The second sub-section, (c)(2), shields companies from liability for decisions they take on what they allow users can share on their platforms. This sub-section is known as the “Good Samaritan” portion of Section 230 because its intent was to encourage websites to proactively remove harmful content. However, while companies can and do use this freedom to proactively remove objectionable content, nothing obliges them to do so. This means, for instance, social media companies may or may not choose to remove deepfake pornography of women on their sites without the risk of facing lawsuits from its creators.

This is why Musk doesn't want that provision passed, because then in the future he would be liable if he didn't remove it.

Here's the basic gist of the proposed law:

Criminalizing the publication of “nonconsensual intimate visual depictions,” including deepfake pornography, and requiring social media platforms to have procedures in place to remove the content after being notified by a victim.

Passages

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9. omg what a sicko.

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Fri Dec 20, 2024, 05:26 PM

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Blue Full Moon

(1,322 posts)

12. Biden or Harris needs to hold a press conference

Reply to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2024, 05:46 PM

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State clearly that Elon Musk is the one who tanked the bill. That should have happened after the immigrant border bill was tanked by tRump. State clearly that the deep fake and the rest is part of the reason. Re-state trump and Musk's about hardship for American families and list the items that the republicans removed from the bill. Grow a spine.

yellow dahlia

(171 posts)

17. Agreed.

Reply to Blue Full Moon (Reply #12)

Fri Dec 20, 2024, 09:45 PM

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I wish they would address these things as they happen.

The high road is not working.

ReRe

(10,907 posts)

16. Let me get this straight.

Reply to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Fri Dec 20, 2024, 07:13 PM

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Musk was willing to tank our government for 30 or more days, which included Christmas, all to stop that provision which would have held the publisher (him) accountable for publishing revenge porn on twitter. Were Republicans actually aware of that provision/re why Musk was so against the initial budget deal? They had to know about it, because THEY wrote the bill! So, to cover up their stupid mistake of overlooking it's presence in the bill, they all went along with Musk's big ruse for shutting down the government. Lunatics are running the asylum in the Republican Party!!!

AntiFascist

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18. Can we all, PLEASE, just switch to using Bluesky? n/t

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Sat Dec 21, 2024, 01:03 AM

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RandomNumbers

(18,244 posts)

19. Well there is also this (Musk factories in China)

Reply to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

Sat Dec 21, 2024, 11:12 AM

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https://prospect.org/politics/2024-12-20-government-shutting-down-elon-musk-factories-china/

From the American Prospect. When it looked like the govt would really shut down. (Dec. 20)

The measure at issue is known as the “outbound investment” provision. We have heard for years about the problem of manufacturing businesses shipping jobs overseas to China, with its low worker wages and low environmental standards. China typically forces businesses wanting to locate factories in its country to transfer their technology and intellectual property to Chinese firms, which can then use that to undercut competitors in global markets, with state support.

Congress has been working itself into a lather about China for years now, and they finally came up with a way to deal with this issue. Sens. John Cornyn (R-TX) and Bob Casey (D-PA) have the flagship bill, which would either prohibit U.S. companies from investing in “sensitive technologies” in China, including semiconductors and artificial intelligence, or set up a broad notification regime around it.

The bill would add some reporting requirements and enhanced reviews as well; in general, it expands restrictions that the Treasury Department has already put forward in regulatory rules. Codifying those rules into statute means that they cannot be changed by successive administrations.

Cornyn-Casey passed the Senate last year, and after about a year of legislative wrangling, a final outbound investment package made it into the year-end bill. “We’re taking a necessary step to safeguard American innovation against bad actors and ensure our lasting dominance on the world stage,” Cornyn said in a statement.

Sticking to the 4 paragraph limit I had to leave a lot out. Worth it to pop over there and read the full article.

With respect to the OP, I suspect there were a few things in the bill that made President-elect Musk unhappy. So both the OP and the AP could be correct in their observations.

EDIT TO ADD: and apparently the bill that passed did have this provision stripped out. So Musk still gets his way. https://www.democraticunderground.com/100219840398

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