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Zorro

(16,479 posts)
Thu Dec 19, 2024, 09:39 AM Dec 19

She graduated without learning to read. Now she's suing her school.

Aleysha Ortiz was a high school sophomore when she received her first “A” on an assignment, a story she submitted for English class. She’ll never forget it.

“Before, I would just trace an ‘A’ and pretend like someone gave this [grade] to me,” she told The Washington Post.
You are what you read. Reveal your 2024 reader type with Newsprint.

Ortiz, 19, did not write or type her story. She spoke it to her computer and used speech-to-text software to transcribe it, like she did with all her schoolwork at Hartford Public High School in Connecticut.

Despite this, Ortiz alleges in her lawsuit that she was never provided adequate therapy or special education support. In elementary and middle school, she exhibited behavioral issues and was frequently kept in her principal’s office instead of class and ignored by administrators when she lobbied for additional support. She was still illiterate when she graduated — with honors — last spring, she said.

https://wapo.st/41IRnk6

It's not my fault I never made the effort to learn to read while attending school for 12 years...

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She graduated without learning to read. Now she's suing her school. (Original Post) Zorro Dec 19 OP
. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 19 #1
"It's not my fault I never made the effort to learn to read"? WTF? Did *you* read the article? Ocelot II Dec 19 #2
So much for the quality of education in this Country. Why didn't someone catch her, or, is she fibbing and tried to SWBTATTReg Dec 19 #3
What doesn't ring true? WhiskeyGrinder Dec 19 #4
She knows how to use a computer Zorro Dec 19 #12
Being illiterate doesn't mean you don't recognize some words or you're unaware of what a letter is. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 19 #14
Are you sure you understand what a reading disability is? yardwork Dec 19 #18
Of course there are details I don't know Zorro Dec 19 #22
So I can remember what you said. Iggo Dec 19 #5
Why, thank you Zorro Dec 19 #13
This happened in Connecticut and not in a state like Alabama? Omnipresent Dec 19 #6
Per the article, she graduated despite not being taught to read. She could have learned - Solly Mack Dec 19 #7
In this modern time of technology mymomwasright Dec 19 #8
She uses voice to text to write things and she's attending UConn. WhiskeyGrinder Dec 19 #11
Archive link Celerity Dec 19 #20
Rest of the article is paywalled Blue_Tires Dec 19 #9
Archive link Celerity Dec 19 #19
Wow... Holy freaking damn... Blue_Tires Dec 19 #23
It rings true to me. In the late '60s when I was in college, the school had a program where we would provide Wonder Why Dec 19 #10
Retired High School Special Ed. teacher here indigovalley Dec 19 #15
Teachers can't do anything without getting sued, and, get blamed for kids who put no effort in. Oneironaut Dec 19 #16
There is a lot going on here, for the most part, cachukis Dec 19 #17
She has a disability. We're not in a position to comment on how much effort she put in. meadowlander Dec 19 #21

WhiskeyGrinder

(24,104 posts)
1. .
Thu Dec 19, 2024, 09:46 AM
Dec 19
"It's not my fault I never made the effort to learn to read while attending school for 12 years..."


What the actual fuck is that shit right there. It's clear from the article that this is someone who is highly driven, made many, many efforts, and whose needs weren't met.


Ocelot II

(121,505 posts)
2. "It's not my fault I never made the effort to learn to read"? WTF? Did *you* read the article?
Thu Dec 19, 2024, 09:51 AM
Dec 19

This kid has learning disabilities, asked for help and didn't get it, and did everything she could to work around her problems. Seems to me she made a whole lot of effort.

SWBTATTReg

(24,337 posts)
3. So much for the quality of education in this Country. Why didn't someone catch her, or, is she fibbing and tried to
Thu Dec 19, 2024, 09:54 AM
Dec 19

hide it so she wouldn't have to read? I don't know, something about this person seems to not ring true w/ me, IMHO.

Zorro

(16,479 posts)
12. She knows how to use a computer
Thu Dec 19, 2024, 10:57 AM
Dec 19

so she has a login and password that she knows how to enter.

She knows how to initiate a speech to text application that generates and displays the words as she speaks.

I find her claim of illiteracy dubious as best and possibly she's just someone who is looking for attention.

WhiskeyGrinder

(24,104 posts)
14. Being illiterate doesn't mean you don't recognize some words or you're unaware of what a letter is.
Thu Dec 19, 2024, 11:01 AM
Dec 19
I find her claim of illiteracy dubious as best and possibly she's just someone who is looking for attention.
Gosh too bad you didn’t testify at all those hearings about her. Definitely could have gotten to the bottom of it!!!!!

yardwork

(64,774 posts)
18. Are you sure you understand what a reading disability is?
Thu Dec 19, 2024, 12:10 PM
Dec 19

Is it possible there are details you don't know?

Zorro

(16,479 posts)
22. Of course there are details I don't know
Thu Dec 19, 2024, 02:16 PM
Dec 19

For instance, unlike many others I don't take as gospel what is reported in these human interest stories; I have reservations about the unbiased accuracy and completeness of such articles -- there are too many occurrences of sympathetic accounts of someone who in reality is an actual dirtbag.

It just seems very curious to me that someone apparently computer literate claims to be illiterate.

Iggo

(48,536 posts)
5. So I can remember what you said.
Thu Dec 19, 2024, 10:26 AM
Dec 19

Zorro -“It's not my fault I never made the effort to learn to read while attending school for 12 years.”

Solly Mack

(93,215 posts)
7. Per the article, she graduated despite not being taught to read. She could have learned -
Thu Dec 19, 2024, 10:35 AM
Dec 19

- as evidenced by the determination and ingenuity she showed to complete her education - had anyone taken her special needs into consideration. People learn in different ways. A child with a learning disability needs lessons adjusted to their needs. One size does not fit all.

She was written off.

But she took the initiative to graduate and to do so with honors when her teachers and the school wouldn't help her.

Children with learning disorders will act out. That doesn't make them bad children. It all too often means their needs aren't being addressed. That's not their fault.







mymomwasright

(390 posts)
8. In this modern time of technology
Thu Dec 19, 2024, 10:38 AM
Dec 19

She doesn't do internet?
She doesn't text?
She doesn't work?

What about her first 9 years of school? I don't have access to the article, but did the reporter actually investigate her claims with other sources? How are her parents not responsible for much of this?

Blue_Tires

(56,752 posts)
9. Rest of the article is paywalled
Thu Dec 19, 2024, 10:42 AM
Dec 19

So where were her parents in all of this? Where were the medical professionals to lobby for her? I presume she got an official diagnosis at some point?

Wonder Why

(4,724 posts)
10. It rings true to me. In the late '60s when I was in college, the school had a program where we would provide
Thu Dec 19, 2024, 10:42 AM
Dec 19

volunteer one-on-one help to minority kids who had trouble reading and writing in inner city NYC schools. I was assigned a 5th grader who still did not know all the letters of the alphabet. When I talked to him about it, he told me that if you didn't know the work and caused trouble in your class, you were left back. If you didn't know your work but sat quietly, you graduated to the next grade.

I spent a semester trying to help him but he still did not know all the letters although he was doing better. As an engineering student, I was probably too techy to figure out how to motivate him and approach his problems in a different way. I see now that teachers who know how to deal with such kids can be really successful if they have the backing of the schools. I still feel my failure to recognize that and try to get some help for how best to help him.

If a school doesn't care, the kids suffer. When my oldest was in school, we really pushed them to provide the help he needed (he was a gifted underachiever) and threatened them with filing a complaint with the state education department. Unfortunately many poor parents didn't want to "cause trouble" or don't know how.

indigovalley

(203 posts)
15. Retired High School Special Ed. teacher here
Thu Dec 19, 2024, 11:14 AM
Dec 19

Usually reading issues are identified in elementary school and this is most often where a Special Ed referral is made. Schools do a lot of testing and if she had very low reading scores that would have gotten attention. If the school did not refer for Special Ed. assessment the parents could have requested it. However, low reading scores do not automatically mean a child has a reading disability that qualifies for Special Ed. services. You have to meet state criteria.

There are also criteria that has to be met for non-Special Ed. reading support programs.

The fact that this girl had significant behavioral issues suggests she may have had other reasons why she didn't make progress in her reading skills. I taught high school Special Ed. for 30 years and even with students receiving direct support they have to be cooperative and motivated to work with their Sped teacher to improve their skills. It can be very challenging even with students who don't have any disruptive behavior issues.

Oneironaut

(5,810 posts)
16. Teachers can't do anything without getting sued, and, get blamed for kids who put no effort in.
Thu Dec 19, 2024, 11:52 AM
Dec 19

They’re even blamed by that kid’s parents, despite being the cause of the kid’s problems themselves, and, the school administration takes the parents’ side.

If the kids are in charge of the school and have no meaningful punishment for not putting any effort in, no wonder the system sucks.

cachukis

(2,746 posts)
17. There is a lot going on here, for the most part,
Thu Dec 19, 2024, 12:10 PM
Dec 19

unknown by most.
We have become increasingly reliant on others to pick up from our shortcomings. The system has become a representation of what we accept. Only when it touches home does it ring a bell.
A reality on our education system is the teaching to read ends in the third or fourth grade. From then on a student is expected to be able to read.
Lots of cracks to fall through.
Interestingly, we are visiting our grandchildren in a quite wealthy SoCal city.
My son coaches a 5 and 6 year old basketball team. I watched his training last evening.
It was evident these youngsters were eager to learn, but they lacked focus. Seemed normal to me.
After showing the drill, the students emulated as best they could. As it was a first time experience for all, the dribblers had varied success.
The coach stayed on the students, but individual attention was a must for some. I suggested to my son this morning, that the assistant coach should practice the assignment with the more needy.
This is what happens in the school system when all systems are go.
Unfortunately, the interruptions of individual needs often disrupt the countdown to launch.
We are in the midst of societal change that is ongoing with few speed bumps to slow it down.
I remember being driven around Cairo, Egypt with no traffic lights, no attention to the dotted lines and mere mayhem on the roads.
There were rotaries at intersections, but to cross a major road, you took your life in your hands.
Some minister decided to put speed bumps in strategic places to allow for the daring to enter the traffic flow.
Pedestrians crossed at high risk. When I was there some ten to twelve years ago, 18,000 street crossers died per year.
Speed bumps are not enough to save so many of our students from falling into the cracks.
This message is not getting through to our citizenry following the excitement of trumpian entertainment.
I'm anxious to see if any wake up calls have influence.
Doesn't seem that back to back hurricanes in Florida are slowing down people wanting to move here. There are those escaping because economics is a driver, but some aren't reading the fine print until it is too late.

meadowlander

(4,764 posts)
21. She has a disability. We're not in a position to comment on how much effort she put in.
Thu Dec 19, 2024, 12:19 PM
Dec 19

Meanwhile, the school is legally obligated to provide access to support and education services.

https://www.washington.edu/doit/what-us-federal-legislation-protects-rights-students-disabilities

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