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Dennis Donovan

(27,452 posts)
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 10:48 PM Dec 18

TPM / Josh Marshall: Trump's Trump

TPM / Josh Marshall - Trump's Trump

By Josh Marshall
December 18, 2024 10:43 p.m.

As you’ve likely seen things kind of went off the rails today on Capitol Hill. Speaker Mike Johnson had assembled one of those big spending packages to avoid a government shutdown. Then Elon Musk went off on the bill and started a stampede for the exits among House Republicans. Then Trump turned against it too. Then JD Vance. By the end of the day not only was it clear that the bill was dead. There was a real question about whether Johnson’s Speakership will survive the vote for Speaker coming up on January 3rd.

But none of those points are the critical ones. This is about Elon Musk.

Trump has brought Musk into the central circle of power. He’s not only de facto Vice President. When was the last time you saw JD Vance? He’s practically co-president. Musk is erratic, volatile, impulsive, mercurial. He introduces a huge source of unpredictability and chaos into the presidency that for once Trump doesn’t control. See it clearly: Musk did this. Trump thrives on chaos, but his chaos. Not someone else’s chaos.

Trump is following. He’s trying to pretend otherwise but he’s following. And unlike all of Trump’s other bad hires or hires he gets tired of he can’t just shitcan Musk like all the rest. Musk is worth hundreds of billions of dollars. He’s got a bigger megaphone. And he’s got his own brand. I’m pretty sure there will eventually be a really big and really ugly falling out between the two of them. But it will take a while to get there and the costs are potentially quite large for both of them.

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TPM / Josh Marshall: Trump's Trump (Original Post) Dennis Donovan Dec 18 OP
Musk bought himself the Resolute Desk Attilatheblond Dec 18 #1
Dems need to say "President Musk" anytime they get a chance with media neverforget Dec 18 #2
Where's James Bond when you need him. BannonsLiver Dec 18 #3
"It's the best dictatorship that money can buy!" struggle4progress Thursday #4
This highlights DT Cosmocat Thursday #5
There WILL be a clash of egos. 70sEraVet Thursday #6
I totally agree ToxMarz Friday #13
So this anticipated 'clash of titans' cage match between these 2 ego-trippers GusBob Thursday #7
The Apprentice Wild blueberry Thursday #8
Wonder who'll prove to be bigger in the long run? calimary Thursday #9
We need a horse to help out. Turbineguy Thursday #10
1st and 2nd Triumvirate Nasruddin Thursday #11
two drug addled idiots running the ship. I predict titanic like results. nt Javaman Thursday #12

neverforget

(9,470 posts)
2. Dems need to say "President Musk" anytime they get a chance with media
Wed Dec 18, 2024, 10:56 PM
Dec 18

just to get under Trump's very thin skin. And repeat it, often.

Cosmocat

(15,053 posts)
5. This highlights DT
Thu Dec 19, 2024, 08:04 AM
Thursday

You see how he snivels and gets punked by Putin and Kim Jong Un.

He is servile to those who he is submissive to.

70sEraVet

(4,238 posts)
6. There WILL be a clash of egos.
Thu Dec 19, 2024, 10:32 AM
Thursday

Trump will not allow Elon to upstage him. Elon has never worked well with others. The best jd can hope for, is that they both will burn each other down, like two sypernovas colliding.

ToxMarz

(2,254 posts)
13. I totally agree
Fri Dec 20, 2024, 01:50 AM
Friday

Right now Trump has no powers whatsoever, other than his bully pulpit. He is thriving on chaos alone and Musk brings that in huge doses. Trump wants Bidens presidency to end in chaos thinking he pin the blame on him. Once Trump has his Presidental powers, I think the first thing he will do is bring Musk down several pegs (he has to at this point). And the fun will begin. Musks wealth is addicted to massive Govt. contracts/subsidies and Trump could crush that or reward that on a whim. When the autrocrat makes his example of the oligarchs to bring the others in line, he starts with the head oligarch. And definitely the one most willing to challenge his authority and think he can get away with it.

GusBob

(7,603 posts)
7. So this anticipated 'clash of titans' cage match between these 2 ego-trippers
Thu Dec 19, 2024, 10:45 AM
Thursday

Whats it gonna be like?

Musk's power is money and the noise he can make on X, and lately the hold on the shorthairs of GOP members of Congress (his threat is primaries and it seems effective)

Trump's power is what? POTUS and not really much else? (asking I dunno). I reckon he could threaten to deport Muskrat. The richest man in the world thing has got to get under his skin and revenge/retribution is one of his calling cards


I think Musk wins and now its him and Putin that control our government and DT. Musk doesnt have to publicly call out DT, he's the boss now


ETA::: oooh another poster has pointed out Trump got elected and dodged jail which is all he wanted. Musk has free reign

Wild blueberry

(7,271 posts)
8. The Apprentice
Thu Dec 19, 2024, 10:57 AM
Thursday

The recent movie portrays Frump learning from Roy Cohn how to be a mob boss, how to hit first, never admit defeat, and other bully behaviors. In the end, the student betrays the teacher.
When will Muskrat betray Frump?

My question for the next four years is, Who is President?

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