The adults in this society refuse to protect their young.

Our society has decided that gun rights are way more important than the lives of our offspring.
Guns are the leading cause of death for children and we simply do not care.

It seems to be a minority of those who refuse to allow changes. Republicans in Congress who filibuster, obstruct and refuse to allow votes on gun legislation along with a SCOTUS selectively interpreting the 2A.

And they would vote against these people and the parties. They just care more about some wannabe dictator or a tax cut - that very few people will be getting. They would be out on the streets and calling their representatives to do something. The fact these pols keep voting against gun laws, etc. tells you that they are not getting pressure from their constituents.

in a Save The Children movement.

Get it started and it will grow.

Maybe borrow some RW terminology to drive home the importance with a slogan like "Pro life for schoolchildren."

We may care in an abstract or even emotional way.

But we believe that there is nothing we can do.

The usual learned helplessness.
The worshiping of the second amendment.
The fear of going up against the existing power structure.

So saving our children is not worth the hassle.
We cannot be bothered.

We are a sad species indeed. To watch our children be slaughtered and ignore it.
6 year olds shot to ribbons so badly only DNA tests will identify the little bodies.
We are failing our children.

WE care, but Rs 100% don't care, clearly, and frankly the 1/3 of us who don't bother to vote don't care about this or all the many other things we are fighting for or against.

Machine guns were banned in the 1930s. People were upset about the mobsters.

So it has been done and could be done with assault weapons.

from 1994-2004. I lived in Wash DC at the time, it was under Bill Clinton. We had far fewer mass shootings when they were banned.

1 Democrat and 2 Republicans - Carter, Ford and Reagan.

thanks to the Suckpreme Court. I can't understand why the conditional statement about 'a well-regulated militia being necessary' in the 2A does not supersede the right to bear arms. If you belong to such an organization (a well-regulated militia), there are others who could, presumably, hold you accountable before going off on a lone wolf suicide rampage.

Also, welcome to DU, Golm1kate!

Even though hand guns and assault rifles are obsolete against any government’s long range missiles, and drone strikes.
A frontline militia (as our founders envisioned) could now be turned into cooked hamburger, before they fire a single shot.

a shot being fired.

By giving militias that much needed technology to mount a successful rebellion either.

That's where this country is.

are more important than children's lives.

I advocate confiscating all guns.

action is to put a CEO in every school.

Problem of trans kids in the lavatory.

Okay, we can send thoughts and prayers while the NRA sends checks.

And like 5 guns for every person.

This is sick capitalism.

A week or so ago 1 CEO was shot and killed, and the media won't shut up about how horrible it is.

This makes me disgusted.

He wouldn't want to anger "his base", but fuck them.

He should be taking his seat in a prison cell.
Insurrectionists can not hold any office, he is unqualified.

It seems that for some, murdering people with a gun is acceptable in certain situations. It is seen as making a statement.

One can kiss goodbye any realistic chance of enacting sensible gun control laws with that attitude.

even when it was a murder for profiteer aka UH. They are not going to ball their eyes out over someone making money off killing people, they're paid by those people to help.

Not the same, but it does let the ruling class know they are not immune to gun violence.
How many times did UH take some of that money and petition Congress for gun safety measures...let's see if they do now?

every classroom has the Ten Commandments posted, and every school day starts with a prayer. Maybe the folks at Abundant Life (ha!) School need to rethink their performative christo-shamanism.

So this should be real proof that posting that crap in classrooms does nothing

Just because some assholes want to keep their guns with no regulation, we have this bullshit.


That sure are ready to get rid of other amendments but not the second. Oh no that's a real threat to their manhood.

What percent of one's disposable income is donated to groups fighting for enactment of strict gun laws?

How many face to face meetings had one had with elected officials in the past year trying to convince them to support enactment of strict gun control laws?

How many demonstrations against easy access to guns has one attended in the past year?

How many times has one engaged in peaceful civil disobedience in an effort to draw attention to the issue?

MLK walked the walk and ended up losing his life for the cause .

Nothing much is going to happen unless there's a serious grass roots effort to force changes to be made regarding gun control.

Other then angry sounding posts being made, I don't see much of an effort. Do you?

...including gun control.

I'm only aware of one DUer who is making a serious effort.

I learned here long ago that one can tell how others feel about an issue is by what they do in response to it. The more important the issue, the more vigorous the response. Like a home catching on fire would illicit a dramatic response. A non important issue will generate little to no activity other then maybe commentary. Which is pretty much what I see regarding gun control.

To date, there's been only one member here who I believe is making a dedicated effort. He was able to describe in detail his work over the past several years. I congratulated him and said I was impressed.

If you have evidence that DUers are working hard at getting strict gun control laws enacted, I'd like to see it

During the election, many DUers made posts where they talked about donating, canvassing, texting, calling, volunteering to work at a local campaign office, attending rallies, sending out postcards, volunteering as a poll worker or poll watcher , registering new voters, and such.

But with gun control, it's silence.

People are going to take action on issues and situations that are very important to them. The recent election is a good example. They aren't going to do much or anything at all with issues that arent important.

The civil rights movement and the anti Vietnam War movement in the '60's were very public. They didn't work in silence. Leaders like MLK made speeches, led protests, was arrested and ultimately lost his life. He didn't limit himself to writing letters to the editor .

...I'm sorry you feel that only the actions you are aware of matter.

I'm also sorry you have such little faith in your fellow DUers.

DUers work hard on issues that matter. They don't on issues that arent that important. Pretty much like all humans.

Gun control apparently isn't that important.

You may think DUers are working hard on gun control but you can't provide evidence that they actually are.

I have a good idea how DUers roll.

Have a Merry Christmas!

Like most everyone here.

Im not counting posting about it as making an effort

I was not aware of a DU rule that people are required to post about every activist thing that they do outside of DU, nor that those actions require your imprimatur. I am anxious to be enlightened if I have failed to notice such.

DUers openly talk about going door to door, making phone calls, sending texts, contributing as much as they can afford, attending rallies and such.

With gun control, it's pretty much silence.

Edit: When something is very important to a person, like an election, they are going to talk about what they themselves are doing about it. If it's not important, they aren't going to talk about what they are doing because they aren't doing anything.

Again, where is there a rule that DU'ers MUST post their activism on line, and for your
approval, or it does not exist, because that is exactly what your posts in this thread seem to be sayng?

I'd like to see it.

We both could easily find lots of posts by DUers talking about how they were working to help elect Harris. By donating, calling, texting, canvassing, volunteering to be a poll worker or poll watcher, working campaign booths, registering new voters and such.

When it comes to the issue of gun control, one doesn't see any of that. Nothing.

you, I have made no claims about what DU'ers may, or may not, be doing about any issue. Quite the opposite. You say you live in fact-based reality, but you make assertions based on no actual facts (see quote above). I must say, I am surprised that we have not seen you on stage, for surely a person with your astounding telepathic/mindreading abilities would be a Las Vegas headliner? Or do you perhaps work for that secret little government department that specializes in psychic phenomenon? Such an amazing gift is surely being used in some capacity for the benefit of society.

Or not doing

How much money in the past year have you donated to organizations fighting to enact stricter gun control laws?

About how many hours a week do you dedicate to the cause?

How many face to face meetings have you had in the past year with elected officials discussing gun control?

How many demonstrations have you attended in the past year protesting the easy availability of guns?

Have you ever been arrested for engaging in civil disobedience in an effort to draw attention to the issue of guns?

all-seeing, all-knowing, about what DU'ers are, in your own words, NOT doing. At this point, your posts have now become almost amusing in their slightly desperate tone, so do, please, keep trying.

Or, as the old saying goes, "When you find yourself in a hole, stop digging."

I don't understand why it's such a secret. One would think people would be readily posting about what they are doing. Like those who thought this past election was very important. Numerous posts about volunteering, donating, canvassing, registrating new voters, calling, texting and on and on . Hell, I'm a pretty laid back guy but even I donated and volunteered to be an poll worker, which I did in the primary and general elections

remdi95

including the so-called gun safety organizations. It is easy to express outrage online then move on to other matters.

It is quite ironic to see people who were tacitly (or explicitly) suggesting more shootings over the last couple weeks have the opposite comments this week. Orwell weeps.

Which suggests to me that gun control isn't an important issue.

We can march, we can send money to organizations for Gun Control, we can write letters, call, email people of influence, and we can vote for politicians that can try to make legislation. We can help organize and participate in firearm "turn-in for cash" drives and gun safety/risk factors education.
We can sponsor propositions changing or updating current Gun Control laws

But what we can't do is physically force Sheriff Bubba (and Deputies), or the "Good Christians" in the local Supervisors office to do their damn jobs and uphold current gun control laws. We can't legally go in and confiscate some abusive asshole's armory in some sort of "Citizens safety action" and not end up in jail.

I've done what I can per the first paragraph above, as have many DU'ers over the years. But I'm not bullet proof and outrageously independently wealthy, so I can't just go door to door and take on the Lobbiests, Gun Manufacturers as well as the various violence organizations out there. I must depend on the government to be my voice and arm to enforce Gun Control.

It's not just an enforced helplessness, it's the scale of factors to Gun Violence that needs to be addressed as a Community. And unfortunately, our Community needs to be willing to stand with us to actually accomplish something, or we just become individual targets for those selfish morons who think we're out to get their stuff and make them weak.

Haele

And it could still fail. There's no guarantee.

Some people have lost their lives fighting for civil rights, the right to unionize, gay rights , protesting the Vietnam War and so on. Other examples are people like Nelson Mandela who spent years in prison

The point I'm trying to make is that history shows that often it takes a great deal of effort and sacrifice in order to overcome obstacles. I'm not seeing that with the gun issue. There are a few that are really trying but they are just a few.

Kudos to you for your efforts. If you are still trying, I do wish you the best and hope you succeed.

What do you suggest ? There are more than 300 million guns in America.

Correct.

And the reason is a Supreme Court hostile to any new regulation, an assault weapon ban in particular; even if meaningful legislation were passed, it would be struck down by the Court’s conservative majority.

Moreover, there’s no political will in Congress – something as mild as a universal background check failed to pass in the Senate.

Given the political and judicial landscape, gun control advocate and their organization have all but abandoned their efforts to address gun crime and violence, and understandably so.

I realized this when Obama, as President, wiped tears from his eyes after that tragic school shooting.

And not, one, damn, thing, was done, except more doubling down by the Republicans on how much no one can touch their rights to own guns.