They have no idea what life is like for the average person.

ETA: At the same time they lie a lot.

for the 3 tech execs to fork over a million to dump's inauguration fund. Do they have any idea how corrupt this looks?

The billionaire corruption and bribes of politicians and judges are totally out in the open.

The Supreme Court has ruled that bribe money is just a tip for a job well done.
Before the job is even done.

So it is all legal I guess.

In Russia and China bribes and corruption are common place and just the way business and politics are done.
They think we are losers for following the laws and rules.

one with Bezos. I heard from someone in the know that Trump pressured Bezos very intensely and it wasn't an easy decision for Bezos. Apparently he reluctantly gave in because trump could really hurt him on the tariff situation. All the Chinese crap he's busy selling.

Zuckerberg, sure, no problem. He knows and doesn't care. He's said and demonstrated as much on other occasions. I read Kara Swisher.

Regardless, I can live without Amazon and Amazon Music so they are gone in my world. Nobody is indispensable.

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Bezos caved in, he gave Trump a bribe to get protection from the tariffs.

This is a bribe, paying protection money to prevent harm.

At the end of the day he is no better than the others kissing Trump's ring.

If I only reluctantly agree to commit a crime or engage in wrong doing, it is just as wrong as
the guy who did it wholeheartedly.

ETA: Searching your soul before you commit a wrong doing seems worse, you actually checked your conscience
and did the bad thing anyway.

or you started wheezing from the chokehold.


Oops, meant to add this quote from a 2022 wsj article:

Starlink’s approach is similar to those of Britain’s OneWeb and Amazon.com Inc., which plans to roll out its low-orbit satellite network over the next few years. The SpaceX business also competes with more established companies offering internet service using satellites stationed deeper into space such as Viasat Inc.


I would like to see musk have some competitors, even if it is Bezos.

Bezos is worth $300B and his kids won't starve or have to drop out of school if he loses half his income.

I understand people sometimes have to do what they have to do to pay bills or feed hungry children.

Bezos is not one of them.

He has sold his soul to the devil to keep his vast wealth which he cannot even spend
in his lifetime or his heirs in many generations.

It is very naive of Bezos to think that paying Trump a huge bribe will allow him to compete
with Trump's boyfriend Musk.

If this is why Bezos prostituted himself for Trump, he is a total fool.

wealth. It's how Bezos himself sees the situation with competition.

The delay in finding his soul produced the delay in him giving in, without a doubt.

Like Rush said, "Big Money got no soul...."

Bezos ? The world revolves around Amazon. A lot of regular "working class" people will be pissed if prices go up and that will hurt trump more than Bezos. He will survive but choose to cave to a fascist regime.

Oh, now you will only have 0.98 zillion dollars?

next level and not "losers for following the laws and rules"?

That would be the 99% who are not top tier.

can't understand how we get up each morning and go to work every day, and do the things we do. They just don't get it. They feel like they are privileged and we do not deserve anything.

Makes me think of this: The meek shall inherit the earth,

millions of dollars of fun money.

sure there will be a power struggle for all those 1% percenters.

All the corrupt wealthy and political leaders fighting and throwing each other out of windows in Russia.
In China people just disappear, never to be seen again.

eat.the.rich.

If we eat just one, they might fall in line? lol


Which makes me think of a subconscious thread of zombie hoard movies, etc... are "we" the zombies in that scenario? If so, then those who live in the gated communities see themselves as the ones who are truly human...? iiiinnnnteresting...

When the time comes, they all need to be eliminated, or they will grow stronger. There is no rational reason for the rich to be that rich, and it is never enough.

.... it hides and masks the bitter, sòur, and rancid taste of the rich. Lots of garlic helps too.

We'll be rolling out "Trump l'Orange" to add a tropical twist with orange juice, oregano, garlic, and powdered palmetto bugs - and "Musk Melon" which adds a hint of honey, lemon, mint, and Jet B Avgas.

For best results, trim closely. These cuts contain a lot of fat.

(Check our weekly specials on pitchforks and torches, and ask about our tumbrel rentals!)

they should see reality for what it really is. There are more of us than them.

Taking life, all life is counter to my ethics. The suspect seems to have medical problems.

No one is celebrating the murder. We do mourn the many people who are in pain today or have their lives ended early due to greed by corporations and oligarchs. We each make a choice in our life regarding how we make a living.

The CEO made a choice, soaring profits and claims being denied to pad dividends and bonuses is an indication that he chose money. Period, that’s his life summed up.

Whether or not that is moral, good or bad, or acceptable to some is irrelevant.

So many people have had lives DESTROYED by the so-called "Health" insurance industry.

They have every right to celebrate some push back against the oligarchs who are hell bent on destroying society in the name of MONEY.

We are not celebrating the action this person took.

We are celebrating that he took action. And, got a result. Which is way more than some of us have gotten. (My favorite comment from the first article about the investigation: "Oh, so the NYPD does know how to investigate a murder!" )

I wish someone did not have to die to make the point, but here we are. You want this to stop? Remove profit from healthcare or offer a public option that has a sliding scale.

Otherwise, get ready. This is far from over.

Far.

Obviously murder is wrong but so is war and we had to fight the confederates and later the Nazis. I'm glad this is focusing attention to how we pay the most for the worst health outcomes. Among the many American shortcomings like student debt this health insurance is the worst of our faults. Alldue to the Dixiecrat opposition to minorities getting the same care back when the whole world went public healthcare or at least single payer like Canada.

I want no part of that crap. If convicted, Mangione should spend a very long time in prison.

You don't solve problems by killing people. Count me out of this insane grave dancing by people on social media.

by killing people. People ARE using black humor, which is a way to deal with difficulties. Or they are expressing feelings caused by their own hardships.
2)Talking about a killing is not the same as killing people. Morality is in the actions we take. And no one here is killing anyone.

And I'll add: we try way too hard to look harmless to the right. A little anxiety on their part will do us all good.

We come across as judgmental, and people don't like it. It's something the Republicans have weaponized against us - this sense that Democrats think we're better than others. It hurts us in elections.

We run around criticizing one another and Republicans just laugh at us, while marching to the polls to elect more Republicans.

We need to shake off this purity thing.

it, so we should be having a PR strategy that hangs that around THEIR necks.

Seems that both are sick to death of health care insurance companies.

Now we need to realize that assassination is perhaps not the best strategy to wage class war.

Link to tweet

congressionally BOUGHT !

member victimized by a health insurer. It's a universally loathed industry.

They were just as clueless and they had more reason not to understand what was going on “below “ them. But the inability to comprehend or even attempt to comprehend is similar. These people really live in a different world.

Rec

Thank you. From the day this CEO was shot, that was my first thought. We are taught the French Revolution was a great event that brought democracy to France. Did all these people think it was bloodless? Have they ever heard of the guillotine? Or the expression "heads will roll"? The French rose up against oppression (as did the Bolsheviks, the Romanians, the Filipinos etc) None of these uprisings were bloodless and frankly I don't see a huge difference between those movements against oppression and this one. All these movements begin with individual acts.

started advocating for themselves against the way we're being robbed! And healthcare is an excellent place to start; it touches everyone. I'd like to see us be able to call for a general strike and have everyone strike for at least one day. We could kill one whole day's worth of profits, if not more. But they keep us too poor and downtrodden to have enough self-esteem to stand up for ourselves.

I’m still advocating for rolling boycotts. Pick a company and bring it to its knees.

That is all

Smart thing to do was keep your damn mouth shut, but oh no. The hubris of these people. Just remember, this nation is just as awash with firearms as it was before Thompson was shot. Not advocating anything, so no pearl clutching please. Just merely commenting on the shape of the landscape. And the fact that Witty and his cohorts might want to take heed.

Where is Congress?
BOUGHT AND PAID FOR BY CITIZENS UNITED.
Any other questions?

Wants to force us all onto Medicare 'Advantage' with a payroll deduction paid directly to one of these companies. Oz owns 550k worth of United Healthcare stock.

Aaah!

You say you want a revolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world
You tell me that it's evolution
Well, you know
We all want to change the world

But when you talk about destruction
Don't you know that you can count me out

Don't you know it's gonna be
Alright
Alright
Alright

You say you got a real solution
Well, you know
We'd all love to see the plan
You ask me for a contribution
Well, you know
We're all doing what we can

But if you want money for people with minds that hate
All I can tell you is, brother, you have to wait

Don't you know it's gonna be
Alright
Alright
Alright
Aah!

You say you'll change the Constitution
Well, you know
We all want to change your head
You tell me it's the institution
Well, you know
You'd better free your mind instead

But if you go carrying pictures of Chairman Mao
You ain't going to make it with anyone anyhow

Don't you know know it's gonna be
Alright
Alright
Alright

Alright, (alright)
Alright, (alright)
Alright, (alright)
Alright, (alright)
Alright, (alright)
Alright
Alright!

Songwriters: Paul Mccartney, John Lennon

I'm up for it.

My word of choice would be "apathetic." No one who did not know him personally seems to have any fucks to give.

Those of us who mourn people he murdered would only be gleeful if they could go back in time and get those loved ones lives saved, and killing an executive won't do that.

OK, Witty let's see where this all goes.

"Let them eat brioche". But just as clueless, so whatever. It's time.

A management professor I heard speak in approximately 1970 suggested that a great place to make money was in the world of medicine because it is a gotcha area - when people need it they need it. I would bet big money he was a Republican. I would bet big money he was a Mormon. Oh, but no doubt he was speaking truthfully.

This is one of the many reasons to choose Medicare Part B over an "advantage" plan.
Medicare does not turn a profit
Medicare is not administered by an insurance company
Medicare has the lowest cost per claim in the industry
Medicare has the lowest error ratios in the industry
Medicare has the fastest claim turnaround in the industry
Medicare has no networks. Coverage is the same anywhere in the USA
Medicare was intended to be the prototype for a National Health plan

If enough people choose Part B maybe we can slow down this effort to privatize Medicare

If it will be better, but I switched from UHC to Humana. I hope it will be better. Any opinions on this. It did look better on paper. My husband just had a skin cancer removed and they took pretty good care of him.

I get my dental work done in the USA, so they couldn’t pull the usual evasive BS that United and Blue Cross pull when denying bills from Germany (pretty much 100% denial rate).

Humana was denying 100% of my dental bills until our HR people sent them a “reminder” that we are no longer an outfit with 150 employees, but rather one with nearly a thousand. Suddenly, Humana started reimbursing me for as much as 15% of my dental bills. I guess I am supposed to consider this progress?

We only had to pay like $45 dollars total for it, we’re in network though. Neither of us have a regular doctor. I don’t have a particular preference as long as they do the job right. When they start prescribing pills on pills I start to argue, because they honestly don’t seem to even look at the side affects of what they are prescribing. When you start multiplying those affects with the possible affects of other prescriptions you may be taking, it can just be downright dangerous.

Dental wise, I just had to pay out over $7000 for some bone grafts in my gums and the removal of three teeth. Now I must get a custom partial made within the next few months. The actual implant would be more than $5000, which I simply can’t afford. I may be able to get Humana to cover part of the partial. It’s rough when you get old.

We had health insurance when we worked, but couldn’t take time off to use it. Now we are retired and can, but it isn’t as good.

we're doing our best to work in a rotten system!

oh that's right... the NYT "op-eds" are only for pushing right wing bullshit.

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WTF is WRONG with people who condone murder?

Me? I'll be kicking around in the dirt.

The predominate way they acquire money is to deny coverage to millions of people over the years. They even have meetings and conferences celebrating their dubious 'earnings' as a great success story. It's nothing but a facade. Because beneath it all are the countless thousands every year that end up suffering miserably, usually eventually dying prematurely so the health insurance companies can gloat. They literally sentence people to death so they can take in more and more money.

I don't care what anyone says. They are anathema to everything that is decent, humane and beneficial to society. They don't give a diddly damn if dozens of people are shot at some event or if multiple children are shot dead while attending school. Why should I give two shits if one of those ghouls takes a bullet... or two... or even three? May they get everything they deserve. And it sure as hell isn't more money!

Salary depends on his not understanding it.”

https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/21810-it-is-difficult-to-get-a-man-to-understand-something

I may be using it first in the new year.

I'd be happy to see some oligarchs go down. These parasites are sucking the lifeblood out of our country.

turning into gun humping paranoid psychos is NOT good advice

Of course that a-hole will write off that expense as a legit cost of doing business. Which begs the question: is violence a legit business response?

Navy Seals, Delta Force, and Green Berets to be resigning and going into the extreme overnight executives protection/security business for ten times the pay they were making in the military......Because it is a business expense, we Tax Payers will indirectly be paying for it.............

our norms—one being the NYT—it is perfectly demonstrated by their decision to turn off comments.

This is a new low for the NYT.


The poorly misunderstood UHC:
In roughly 600 words, he also attempted to deflect his insurance network’s responsibility in the growing inequity in America’s health care system, vaguely pointing to a “patchwork” of failures decades in the making while swearing that his corporate network—which reported $22 billion in profits in 2023 alone, nearly three times the figure reported by CVS, the second-most-profitable health insurance company that year—was consistently fighting to “deliver high-quality care and lower costs.”

in other words $22 billion reasons to deny care in 2023 alone

While denying care to millions of people.

Disgraceful.

Or about 6% return, not a very high profit margin

What service is UHC providing for the billions in government contracts they're getting? If the U.S. wants to capitate Medicare, why not do it directly through CMS?

@moetkacik
is having none of it.
We've looked at several whistleblower lawsuits against UnitedHealth. A quid pro quo has emerged: bonuses for doctors in exchange for steering to UHC insurance plan

Link to tweet

misinformation. Health insurance companies are going to have to change their priorities or have them changed by the government. The longer they take, the worse it is going to get for these criminal enterprises.

Then charge them with murder. Most red states are likely to be death penalty states.

shouldn't be run as a private company.

Way too likely to become profit focussed, and not performance oriented.

This is why health services and health insurance are not run by private companies in other countries.

CEOs of health companies are so deep down their own rabbit holes they can't hear what they are saying whenever they pronounce anything in public.

Shitty_Witty says . . . look at our profits and CEO pay checks. We must be doing a good job!

I noticed quite a few responses, mainly those that mentioned the games the company plays with claims, were removed. I suspect UHG stooges have been going thru them flagging ones they find "offensive".

I think I’d endeavor to be a little more conciliatory so I don’t end up just like him.

The companies and the CEOs are only doing what companies and CEO's are expected to do.

Whatever caused the system to use companies and CEOs is what needs to be condemned.
Whatever is causing the system to continue using companies and CEOs is what needs to be addressed.

The anger, IMO, is being misdirected.