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CousinIT

(10,484 posts)
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 11:43 AM Dec 14

SHitler wants to privatize USPS

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2024/12/14/trump-usps-privatize-plan/

They intend to 'privatize' the entire fed gov't. That means destroying what's there, emptying the fed treasury into their pockets + the social security trust fund, too, so they can monetize everything to benefit themselves, leaving us with/ no functioning gov't and destitute. THAT'S THE PLAN. Count on it.
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SHitler wants to privatize USPS (Original Post) CousinIT Dec 14 OP
Right in line with healthcare Henry203 Dec 14 #1
I don't ForgedCrank Dec 14 #4
Most people on ebay Henry203 Dec 14 #9
I purchase ForgedCrank Dec 14 #11
I've been reading criticisms of USPS for years. peggysue2 Dec 14 #14
I agree with you Henry203 Dec 14 #17
Same...I love the USPS PortTack Dec 14 #43
Media mail, basically $5 to ship books from west coast to the east. Sequoia Dec 15 #55
I too love the USPS!!! Wuddles440 Dec 15 #52
That's because they put a republican in charge of it to destroy it for this very purpose - TBF Dec 14 #15
THINK ABOUT IT... Dan Dec 14 #41
And Social Security JMCKUSICK Dec 14 #42
Trump sees the US as a carcass to be divided up and sold to his billionaire pals. Irish_Dem Dec 14 #2
Explains his love for HANNIBAL LECTOR Captain Zero Dec 14 #30
Yes it is a good metaphor for Trump. Irish_Dem Dec 14 #34
It's what these idiots voted for. Turbineguy Dec 14 #3
Their plan: PREFUND their pensions at $5B per year over 15 years and then RAID IT. TheBlackAdder Dec 15 #48
Repukes have been wanting to do that for decades sakabatou Dec 14 #5
Hey rural voters, say goodbye to your mail service or be prepared to pay a steep price for it. Yavin4 Dec 14 #6
The mail is already a hybrid -- a once-public service that now is required to make a profit that allegorical oracle Dec 14 #10
Saw a clip DeJoy at congressional hearing the other day... jeffreyi Dec 14 #16
He's ordered a ton of new equipment and demanded workers to stop using the old allegorical oracle Dec 14 #20
He can sell it to president Eloony at a bargain price and model it after Amazon. Autumn Dec 14 #7
Well the biggest union will die.. Lovie777 Dec 14 #8
That union is what they want to destroy. And mail-in ballot delivery. CousinIT Dec 14 #21
He destroys everything he touches. Initech Dec 14 #12
Some really intelligent replies on this thread Mike 03 Dec 14 #13
I also live in rural magastan. jeffreyi Dec 14 #18
I thought that was why he picked DeJoy. nt woodsprite Dec 14 #19
CORRECT Skittles Dec 14 #46
Just like Russia. orangecrush Dec 14 #22
We've had mostly good experiences with our post office and mail carriers. Bumbles Dec 14 #23
It's not just Trump. This has been a Conservative/Libertarian wet dream for decades JHB Dec 14 #24
Republicans drmeow Dec 14 #25
Isn't USPS the one with the fully funded retirement plan? CrispyQ Dec 14 #26
They want to filch the retirement funds. Captain Zero Dec 14 #32
started w ronald raygun and ,, wants to complete it. AllaN01Bear Dec 14 #27
Well he's had his guy DeJoy Quanto Magnus Dec 14 #28
I believe the USPS is in the Constitution ... aggiesal Dec 14 #29
Wouldn't the Constitution have to be changed? Captain Zero Dec 14 #31
My exact point. TNNurse Dec 14 #35
Hell,... the Christo-Fascists ignore the parts of the buy-bull they dislike,... magicarpet Dec 15 #54
Oligarchs and Rethuglicans want us poor, sick, stupid, and dead if you are considered a parasite. OMGWTF Dec 14 #33
The Post Office is established by the Constitution AverageOldGuy Dec 14 #36
USPS isnt going anywhere Mountainguy Dec 14 #37
Also high percentage of minority employees. Kingofalldems Dec 14 #38
They are full of shit. Not going to happen. valleyrogue Dec 14 #39
The republicans plan to sell all public lands, national forest and BLM. That has been in their platform for years. spike jones Dec 14 #40
Our USPS service is horrendous. bif Dec 14 #44
Ours is great, but it always has been. Noel Kums Dec 15 #49
Good thing DeJoy is still there. Ruby the Liberal Dec 14 #45
I hate that USPS has gotten so bad 4th gen blue Dec 14 #47
But wait! Mossfern Dec 15 #50
Just take a Google Search of stamps.com Oneear Dec 15 #51
He can't do that Jilly_in_VA Dec 15 #53

ForgedCrank

(2,381 posts)
4. I don't
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 11:53 AM
Dec 14

think the service part of USPS could be made any worse than it already is. It is horrendous, and notoriously unreliable and slow.
However, privatizing the thing is a sure fire way to make the cost of the services skyrocket. And I'll all but guarantee that detaching it from government funding will not lower our personal taxes in return. The USPS is very bloated in current form, and there are a LOT of worthless employees dragging the system down. It most certainly needs an overhaul, but I won't claim to know all of the answers.

Henry203

(178 posts)
9. Most people on ebay
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 12:02 PM
Dec 14

Use USPS and it very reliable and just as fast as fedex and UPS. It is also less expensive.

ForgedCrank

(2,381 posts)
11. I purchase
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 12:08 PM
Dec 14

tons of stuff online, and this is not my experience at all. USPS is slower than two old people screwing. Every single time that I buy something and get a USPS tracking number, I cringe because I know it'll take forever to get here, and that is almost always the case, exceptions are rare.
Ebay sellers use it because it's cheaper, nothing more.

peggysue2

(11,515 posts)
14. I've been reading criticisms of USPS for years.
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 12:27 PM
Dec 14

Yet my experience with the postal service has always been good. It may be worse in rural districts; I've never lived in the boondocks.

My complaints usually involve FedEX and UPS. Not only are they ridiculously expensive but they consistently screw-up package deliveries, and then offer lame excuses. My favorite was the delivery guy being afraid to come into my neighborhood, that I couldn't expect the driver to risk his life.

Really? That would certainly surprise my neighbors sitting in their comfortable, well-tended homes.

The dried food and supply packages I've sent my son on his through-hikes are normally sent through USPS. We've only lost one in approximately 200 mailings. And they've always been on time.

So, the idea of privatizing the world does not give me warm, fuzzy feelings.

PortTack

(34,830 posts)
43. Same...I love the USPS
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 02:39 PM
Dec 14

For those that are complaining…ask yourself, you ready to pay $5 to mail a letter vs 50 cents?

I can only imagine what package shipping will go to. It will kill a lot of small businesses.

Wuddles440

(1,437 posts)
52. I too love the USPS!!!
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 02:21 PM
Dec 15

As in previous posts, any delivery problems my wife and I have encountered have almost anyways been with FedEx or UPS.

TBF

(34,748 posts)
15. That's because they put a republican in charge of it to destroy it for this very purpose -
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 12:32 PM
Dec 14

what did people think would happen?

So it will be privatized and the options will be private - usps, ups, fed ex, dhl and whatever -- and they will all be more expensive & they will all suck.

Irish_Dem

(59,696 posts)
34. Yes it is a good metaphor for Trump.
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 01:57 PM
Dec 14

And also shows his sadism and cruelty.
Consuming the flesh of innocent victims.

TheBlackAdder

(29,016 posts)
48. Their plan: PREFUND their pensions at $5B per year over 15 years and then RAID IT.
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 01:09 PM
Dec 15

The USPS was pretty much breaking even each and every year until they were forced to come up with $5 Billion of pension pre-funding. Then, lo and behold, the USPS is running at a loss of $5 Billion a year and then claim it's losing money.

It's all a scheme to not only seize real-estate and property assets, but also their pension funds.

Whatever company gets it will borrow against that money and then go bankrupt, thereby sticking taxpayers with replenishing the pension system.

Yavin4

(36,613 posts)
6. Hey rural voters, say goodbye to your mail service or be prepared to pay a steep price for it.
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 11:57 AM
Dec 14

Privatization means making a profit on heretofore public services. And the only way to make a profit is to deny service or charge a price that not only includes service delivery but a profit as well.

So, if you live in a hard to reach area of the country, mail delivery service to your home is incredibly expensive but the cost is spread out because it's a public service. Privatization means that individual consumers bear the entire cost of the service as well as a profit.

allegorical oracle

(3,393 posts)
10. The mail is already a hybrid -- a once-public service that now is required to make a profit that
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 12:05 PM
Dec 14

pays for its employees' retirement and that requires billions of dollars set aside for the future. Public services shouldn't expect to make a profit. They could cease with the USPS TV commercials. Those cost plenty and who isn't aware that you can mail stuff at the post office?

Hated that Biden's Chairperson of the Post Office's Board of Directors never chucked Louis DeJoy.

jeffreyi

(2,094 posts)
16. Saw a clip DeJoy at congressional hearing the other day...
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 12:39 PM
Dec 14

He was on the receiving end of an a$$ chewing. He was in what amounts to a shouting match with the committee member, and then finally covered his ears! The guy is very wierd.

allegorical oracle

(3,393 posts)
20. He's ordered a ton of new equipment and demanded workers to stop using the old
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 01:06 PM
Dec 14

mail-sorting machinery before the new ones arrived. Mail stacked up in some offices for six weeks because DeJoy also ordered workers not to hand sort mail. It costs a fortune to send packages, now, and one 1st Class Parcel took 18 days to go 70 miles from my post office. Could've delivered it myself in an hour.

Lovie777

(15,223 posts)
8. Well the biggest union will die..
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 11:59 AM
Dec 14

Mail in ballots will be in trouble and thrown in the trash, and SS and other checks will get lost, plus the fear is that we might pay a fee just to receive mail and services.

CousinIT

(10,484 posts)
21. That union is what they want to destroy. And mail-in ballot delivery.
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 01:11 PM
Dec 14

They also want to destroy teacher's unions.

Mike 03

(17,370 posts)
13. Some really intelligent replies on this thread
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 12:18 PM
Dec 14

Kicking

I live in a semi-rural community with many older folks, quite a few with health issues, very red, suffered a disproportionately high number of COVID cases because of refusal to mask up or get vaccinated, and unwilling to raise their taxes by one cent to help the schools and teachers out. They will complain like hell if anything happens to the USPS up here--and we have extremely good mail service here.

jeffreyi

(2,094 posts)
18. I also live in rural magastan.
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 12:46 PM
Dec 14

Closing the post office will be very unpopular, but things sure looks headed that way. The post office jobs are good jobs in these parts. Won't be long before our national forests and other public lands are on the chopping block and being gobbled up. Everybody knows about national parks, they are popular and probably safe for now; less glamorous but much vaster public lands not so much. Hurts my heart.

Skittles

(160,304 posts)
46. CORRECT
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 09:43 PM
Dec 14

he's just the start, kind of like how Medicare "Advantage" is the prelude to complete privatization of Medicare

orangecrush

(22,122 posts)
22. Just like Russia.
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 01:14 PM
Dec 14

And they will formally outlaw democracy, as they oligarchs outlawed communism in Russia to make sure you never get it back.

Bumbles

(268 posts)
23. We've had mostly good experiences with our post office and mail carriers.
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 01:16 PM
Dec 14

Anytime I've filed a complaint, usually in person in our small local post office, I've gotten a satisfactory response. Our mail carriers have become friends. I look forward to talking with them whenever possible. Making and personalizing connections is so important, especially in this difficult time.

The Freepost, Maine, post office has a tradition started by a customer years ago in which customers bring in goodies to share with the community. It was lovely to walk into the outer office recently to see the varied array of Christmas cookies. Cooperative and nurturing small town America can still be found. I'm thankful I live in the blue part of Maine where it's much easier to co-exist.

JHB

(37,467 posts)
24. It's not just Trump. This has been a Conservative/Libertarian wet dream for decades
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 01:21 PM
Dec 14

It's why they supported him. He's their big chance to grab all the marbles.

drmeow

(5,330 posts)
25. Republicans
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 01:26 PM
Dec 14

have wanted to privatize USPS for decades. Every stupid law passed about the USPS has been with the goal of claiming it is a problem and needs to be privatized.

They despise the USPS for two primary reasons: 1) It is the single most democratic institute in the country. No matter who you are, where you live, what color your skin, what religion you belong to, etc, you can mail a letter for the same price as everyone else and (it used to be - now rural locations not so much) every single person got their mail delivered to their door the same as everyone else. 2) Post office jobs are among the civil servant jobs that reliably elevated people doing that sort of labor into the middle class.

The British aristocracy had franking privileges (which Congress has) which allowed them to send mail for free. I'm sure the Musks of this world also want that.

They also want to revenue of the post office to line their pockets.

There are no depths to the hatred I have for the billionaire class!

CrispyQ

(38,585 posts)
26. Isn't USPS the one with the fully funded retirement plan?
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 01:36 PM
Dec 14

Why yes. Yes it is. According to google AI overview:

The U.S. Postal Service's (USPS) retirement programs, including the Civil Service Retirement System (CSRS), the Federal Employees Retirement System (FERS), and the Postal Service Retiree Health Benefits Fund (PSRHBF), had an estimated value of $298 billion at the end of fiscal year 2022. However, the USPS's retirement costs are significant, totaling $10 billion in 2023 alone.

AllaN01Bear

(23,318 posts)
27. started w ronald raygun and ,, wants to complete it.
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 01:37 PM
Dec 14

so if he strips the gvt, he aint got no job??

aggiesal

(9,525 posts)
29. I believe the USPS is in the Constitution ...
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 01:38 PM
Dec 14

Not that Pendejo45's Oath to the Constitution means anything.

Captain Zero

(7,577 posts)
31. Wouldn't the Constitution have to be changed?
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 01:45 PM
Dec 14

The Post Office was mandated as a government service by the founding fathers, and it's in the constitution.

TNNurse

(7,160 posts)
35. My exact point.
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 01:58 PM
Dec 14

Guess they are planning to ignore any part of the Constitution they don't like.

magicarpet

(16,955 posts)
54. Hell,... the Christo-Fascists ignore the parts of the buy-bull they dislike,...
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 02:25 PM
Dec 15

..... why shouldn't the Fascist capitalists do the same with the US Constitution ?

OMGWTF

(4,480 posts)
33. Oligarchs and Rethuglicans want us poor, sick, stupid, and dead if you are considered a parasite.
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 01:51 PM
Dec 14

At the end of the day, this rabid greed is nothing more than a dick-measuring contest to see who can be the world's first trillionaire.

AverageOldGuy

(2,170 posts)
36. The Post Office is established by the Constitution
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 01:59 PM
Dec 14

Abolishing the PO will require a constitutional amendment -- OR -- simply have Congress not appropriate any money for the USPS.

See how easy dictators take over? Especially when over half the electorate is comprised of dumbass muthahfukahs.

Am I bitter? Damn right.

Kingofalldems

(39,290 posts)
38. Also high percentage of minority employees.
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 02:15 PM
Dec 14

51.5% minorities along with 46% women employed there.

And Trump hates minorities, especially black people.

valleyrogue

(1,191 posts)
39. They are full of shit. Not going to happen.
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 02:16 PM
Dec 14

USPS is quasi-private anyway and has been since Nixon.

bif

(24,246 posts)
44. Our USPS service is horrendous.
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 03:14 PM
Dec 14

It used to take me over a week to get a paycheck that went a total of three blocks! I now just walk over to the office and pick it up. The newspaper I work for sends out free copies to the entire city a couple times a year. Our block never gets them. It's a total mystery what happens to the papers.

 

Noel Kums

(90 posts)
49. Ours is great, but it always has been.
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 01:45 PM
Dec 15

I think we're just fortunate to have a great local office with a lot of old-timers who are lifers and enjoy what they do.

Oneear

(101 posts)
51. Just take a Google Search of stamps.com
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 02:01 PM
Dec 15

You will see discounted stamp prices. How is that? Louis DeJoy. I would love to be the fly on the wall and explain this to the Board of Governors, Congress, and USPS.

Jilly_in_VA

(11,106 posts)
53. He can't do that
Sun Dec 15, 2024, 02:23 PM
Dec 15

or at least he'll have a hella hard time, because that's one department enshrined in the Constitution. But he can fuck it up, and he's already done that with his buddy DeJoyless, who we can't seem to get rid of.

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