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PeaceWave

(1,044 posts)
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 08:23 PM Dec 13

Our own government spying on us or aliens from outer space? I wonder which is more likely?

Come on people. Quit with the nonsense excuses for these drones flying over the eastern seaboard. Let's knock out the various possibilities one by one...

First, these drones clearly don't belong to a foreign government - or they would have been shot out of the sky by now. With an annual defense budget approaching one trillion dollars per year, we're more than capable of doing so - just as we did with China's "weather balloons."

Second, they aren't aliens. Period. End stop. It's insane to hear otherwise intelligent people willing to accept bat shit crazy conspiracy theories involving UFOs. From Republicans, I absolutely expect crazy. From people in my own party, I except better.

That leaves our third and final possibility - the drones belong to some branch of our own government or military and are being utilized for some purpose the government is not yet willing to divulge. It wouldn't be the first time the government has tested or utilized aircraft over domestic airspace without even acknowledging the existence of said aircraft (The F-117 Nighthawk was flying over the Southwestern U.S. for years prior to the government giving the public details about its stealth aircraft program). This is the most plausible argument for what folks are seeing in the sky. Is it worth asking questions regarding the purpose of these aircraft? Absolutely - even if answers aren't likely to be forthcoming. Is it worth going down some rabbit hole of conspiracy theories, UFOs, little green men from Mars and such nonsense? No, not at all.

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Our own government spying on us or aliens from outer space? I wonder which is more likely? (Original Post) PeaceWave Dec 13 OP
Trash Meowmee Dec 13 #1
Some of our government are aliens I think. yourout Dec 13 #2
While I do believe a small percentage of UFOs are aliens.. mvd Dec 13 #3
Blinky lights holograms or other projections...rich incels just f**king with us normies..nt wcmagumba Dec 13 #4
Or a 4th ..... paleotn Dec 13 #5
Are you saying they don't exist, that it's imaginary and fueled by a form of mass hysteria? n/t Dennis Donovan Dec 13 #9
They exist but aren't what everyone is contemplating they are. paleotn Dec 13 #12
I think its proximity to Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst is a possible clue Dennis Donovan Dec 13 #14
A very rational explanation. paleotn Dec 13 #16
I don't see anything in that post that says or implies "they" Disaffected Dec 13 #13
"They" meaning drones, in drone form. Not traditional aircraft (fixed wing and rotor) Dennis Donovan Dec 13 #15
I'm with Faine Greenwood on this blogslug Dec 13 #6
Dr. Greer says it ours but a secret black ops cabal and reverse engineered MartyTheGreek Dec 13 #7
Correct. Eko Dec 13 #8
IMO, they're military - ours. Dennis Donovan Dec 13 #10
That would be best case scenario, no danger questionseverything Dec 13 #11
Any military installations on the northwest coast? wnylib Dec 14 #22
So our military is testing them over densely populated areas? SamuelTheThird Dec 13 #17
Air America drones with ground-penetrating radar usonian Dec 13 #18
Anyone can buy a bunch of drones ThoughtCriminal Dec 14 #19
Yeah, well, that's just like Strelnikov_ Dec 14 #20
I vote drone testing by the DOD Strelnikov_ Dec 14 #21

mvd

(65,529 posts)
3. While I do believe a small percentage of UFOs are aliens..
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 08:35 PM
Dec 13

I agree with you here. They aren’t going out of safe airspace and our government doesn’t seem concerned. Some secret mission is likely.

paleotn

(19,529 posts)
5. Or a 4th .....
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 08:46 PM
Dec 13

This is the latest mania humans are notorious for. One person somewhere sees what they think looks strange and for whatever reason, or no reason at all, other people suddenly notice something that's been there all the time, reading far more into it than actually exists. Drones of all sizes and shapes are ubiquitous. Have been for some time now. Hell, you can even build your own.

As usual with some new technology, humans are pushing the limits of how far, how big and where they can fly them. Add the fact that humans are legendary for imitating sheep and renowned for group think and .....voila! The latest oh, shiny! UFO's in the 70's and on and off since. That whole satanic panic thingy, made up from whole cloth in the 80's and 90's. Should I go on? I despair for my species.

Dennis Donovan

(27,400 posts)
9. Are you saying they don't exist, that it's imaginary and fueled by a form of mass hysteria? n/t
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 09:01 PM
Dec 13

paleotn

(19,529 posts)
12. They exist but aren't what everyone is contemplating they are.
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 09:34 PM
Dec 13

They're most certainly NOT flying from some Iranian "drone carrier" off the east coast. They're not extraterrestrial. It's not some humongous government plot. Odds are, they're far more mundane. Probably a mix of civilian, commercial, government and maybe some military drones doing what drones do. Fly around and look "funny" to unsuspecting humans. But nothing to get our panties all in a wad about. Certainly nothing state governors need to be all in a huff about. We've probably discovered the obvious that's been flying around for several years now. One person thinks they look..."strange"...add social media, a big dose of human nature and off goes the mania!

Dennis Donovan

(27,400 posts)
14. I think its proximity to Joint Base McGuire-Dix-Lakehurst is a possible clue
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 09:42 PM
Dec 13

Lakehurst, besides being famous for where the Hindenburg exploded in 1937, is now home to the Naval Air Warfare Center (NAWC) Aircraft Division, Lakehurst. There's a lot of aerial testing that takes place out of the facility. This could be a classified project that the military can't own up to because of security.

This is just my guess.

Disaffected

(5,173 posts)
13. I don't see anything in that post that says or implies "they"
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 09:39 PM
Dec 13

are imaginary or don't exist. It is much more a case of people seeing things and drawing the wrong conclusions (call it mass hysteria if you will, I would think it is more mass delusion).

Dennis Donovan

(27,400 posts)
15. "They" meaning drones, in drone form. Not traditional aircraft (fixed wing and rotor)
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 09:47 PM
Dec 13

What confused me was, did he mean they weren't drones people were reporting seeing but traditional aircraft?

Sorry for the confusion.

blogslug

(38,684 posts)
6. I'm with Faine Greenwood on this
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 08:56 PM
Dec 13
https://www.404media.co/wtf-is-going-on-with-the-new-jersey-mystery-drones-maybe-mass-panic-over-nothing/

“I’ve been puzzling about the NJ drone stuff, and I think that it’s an interesting example of the latest form of mass public panics over mysterious aircraft—which have been happening since the time of the Ancient Greeks,” Faine Greenwood, who studies civilian drone activity, told 404 Media. “My best guess about what’s actually happening is some form of confidential US aerial testing or contractor testing is happening and the federal authorities are communicating very badly with each other and others. And then people heard about one or two sightings, and everybody starts seeing drones everywhere (much like UFOs). Quite a few people [are] posting videos that seem like normal flight patterns … There’s such a huge amount of confusion around normal non-drone stuff in the sky. People are remarkably bad at identifying objects in flight.”

Dennis Donovan

(27,400 posts)
10. IMO, they're military - ours.
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 09:07 PM
Dec 13

There's a huge military installation in the middle of NJ called Joint Base McGuire - Dix - Lakehurst. The Naval Air Warfare Center (NAWC) Aircraft Division, Lakehurst is located there. They do a lot of testing out of NAWC.

Could this be testing the military cannot openly disclose due to it being classified?

Just a guess...

wnylib

(24,759 posts)
22. Any military installations on the northwest coast?
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 02:43 AM
Dec 14

Pilots around Washington State have reported sightings off the coast of Washington today.

SamuelTheThird

(178 posts)
17. So our military is testing them over densely populated areas?
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 10:07 PM
Dec 13

With the chance of being shot at by freaked-out individuals and falling, or just malfunctioning and falling ? What happens if they kill people in the event of that? What happens if that tech is retrieved by non-government people?

Why would the military test drones to chase an unawares coast guard ship? Isn't that risking them being shot down?

usonian

(14,592 posts)
18. Air America drones with ground-penetrating radar
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 10:10 PM
Dec 13

Looking for buried "Stuff" in or around Bedminster, including

• classified documents
• Nuclear secrets, football, weapons, triggers
• Tunnels, bunkers
• Russian hideaway
• bodies
• drone hangars
• Strategic egg reserves
• KC Chiefs playbook
• Gray's Sports Almanac
• others??????

ThoughtCriminal

(14,351 posts)
19. Anyone can buy a bunch of drones
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 01:25 AM
Dec 14

There is no shortage of people with more money than they know what to do with and an urge to mess with people.

Strelnikov_

(7,842 posts)
21. I vote drone testing by the DOD
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 01:50 AM
Dec 14

Considering the rapid push to develop “close support” artillery drones. Of course ours will be 3x better but 20x more expensive than those the Ukrainians have developed.

Maybe the beginnings of the autonomous HK drone as featured in The Terminator.

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