Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News Editorials & Other Articles General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,770 posts)
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 03:43 PM Dec 13

What issues are considered "far left"?

".....Asked what advice he would give Democrats, Tony Fabrizio of Fabrizio Ward, President-elect Donald Trump’s chief pollster, said: “Stop being prisoners to your own special interests."

Top Pollsters Agree Democrats Should Cater Less To The Far Left, Work With Republicans
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/2024-election-kamala-harris-donald-trump-tony-fabrizio-john-anzalone_n_675c63b9e4b01e3eb18e4117

39 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
What issues are considered "far left"? (Original Post) SleeplessinSoCal Dec 13 OP
I guess completely open, unrestricted borders where anyone can be a resident at will Polybius Dec 13 #1
There are a few abolish police types around Sympthsical Dec 13 #2
There are a few "no gun restrictions" types too. Scrivener7 Dec 14 #31
Nonsense. Think. Again. Dec 13 #4
1. That's never been the case. 2. No one has advocated for it. Shell_Seas Dec 13 #13
Standing absolutely firm on, and agressively fighting for Democratic Party principles... Think. Again. Dec 13 #3
Fabrizio specifically mentioned the anti-transgender ads they ran Quiet Em Dec 13 #5
'Gender affirming care' for minors plays very poorly Bonx Dec 13 #7
Montana just struck down their ban on transgender care Quiet Em Dec 13 #9
26 states have banned or restricted gender affirming care for minors. Bonx Dec 13 #10
and there will be legal challenges. Quiet Em Dec 13 #11
Here's my opinion... WarGamer Dec 13 #6
I've been trying to find a way to articulate this Sympthsical Dec 13 #14
Huh? Wiz Imp Dec 13 #16
You could do a search on DU and find it easily Sympthsical Dec 13 #17
A Pew Survey this fall found that less than half of all Hispanics had even heard of the term. Wiz Imp Dec 13 #18
Shifted some goal posts there Sympthsical Dec 13 #22
Nice job lying about what I said Wiz Imp Dec 13 #24
Oh, ffs. Not this shit again. Scrivener7 Dec 14 #30
You should tip off Merriam Webster dpibel Dec 14 #32
Merriam webster IS wrong, then. The term wasn't popular Scrivener7 Dec 14 #33
The ones a majority of Americans support Fiendish Thingy Dec 13 #8
Access to healthcare? Shell_Seas Dec 13 #12
Health care, housing, living wage, unemployment insurance Johonny Dec 13 #21
Abolish borders, abolish the military, abolish police, abolish prisons, embrace Marxism, eliminate all corporations, LeftInTX Dec 13 #15
Far Left? - Confiscate Billionaire's Money to subsidize housing, healthcare, food OutNow Dec 13 #19
Not confiscate. Just fucking tax it. At the same rate that you and I pay. Scrivener7 Dec 14 #36
with the far left, you might get healthcare for all Skittles Dec 13 #20
Exactly. SleeplessinSoCal Dec 13 #25
basic democracy ZonkerHarris Dec 13 #23
"Free Luigi!! LeftInTX Dec 13 #26
I don't support this. But I do see Luigi as a product Scrivener7 Dec 14 #35
My Top Three BOSSHOG Dec 13 #27
And why would we ever listen to choie Dec 14 #28
I'm asking because there were two pollsters who agreed. SleeplessinSoCal Dec 14 #37
Well, we ForgedCrank Dec 14 #29
Too many times we hear generalities and sound bites. SleeplessinSoCal Dec 14 #38
Not THESE republiQans. Nope. Never. Scrivener7 Dec 14 #34
Anything that helps people who need help. Autumn Dec 14 #39

Polybius

(18,664 posts)
1. I guess completely open, unrestricted borders where anyone can be a resident at will
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 03:47 PM
Dec 13

Or eliminating prisons and instead going with treatment. However, I've heard no one on DU advocate any of that.

Sympthsical

(10,411 posts)
2. There are a few abolish police types around
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 03:53 PM
Dec 13

Because, I dunno, their visions of what social workers do and are capable of doing is . . . unrelated to real life in any capacity.

But it makes for excellent

Scrivener7

(53,431 posts)
31. There are a few "no gun restrictions" types too.
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 01:44 AM
Dec 14

There was even one here once who admitted to rape and a couple who supported him.

The outliers don't define the group.

Think. Again.

(19,706 posts)
3. Standing absolutely firm on, and agressively fighting for Democratic Party principles...
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 03:54 PM
Dec 13

...is what is known as "Far" Left, just as the radical republicans are known as the "Far" right.

Quiet Em

(1,350 posts)
5. Fabrizio specifically mentioned the anti-transgender ads they ran
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 03:56 PM
Dec 13

Apparently if you don't bully, harass or fear transgender people you are far left. I'm certainly Fabrizio could expand that onto other bigotries they ran on as well. Any decent human being who believes in Civil rights is now far left in their mind.

Bonx

(2,246 posts)
7. 'Gender affirming care' for minors plays very poorly
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 03:59 PM
Dec 13

Specifically anything with drugs and/or surgery.

Quiet Em

(1,350 posts)
9. Montana just struck down their ban on transgender care
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 04:03 PM
Dec 13

under the Constitutional Right to Privacy.

Like reproductive care it's an issue for the person and their doctor, parent or guardian in the case of a minor. It's not something the public should be deciding.

WarGamer

(15,910 posts)
6. Here's my opinion...
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 03:57 PM
Dec 13

It's possible to establish responsible governance that is fair to ALL people, including LGBT...

It's another thing to publicly display support that becomes a viral 150,000,000 view video on "Libs of Tik Tok"

My strategy... sound like a moderate, govern like a progressive.

In other words, be more like Clinton or Obama.

Sympthsical

(10,411 posts)
14. I've been trying to find a way to articulate this
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 04:15 PM
Dec 13

That one of the problems our party has is that our message is more or less shaped by Twitter and TikTok activists. I've seen more than a few times this cycle where politicians were like, "I never campaigned saying I support X" - and they didn't. But the online slacktivist brigade repeated X so often in so many places - including in the MSM - that voters just kind of assumed that's what the candidates supported.

There has to be some way for the Democratic Party to wrest away the bullhorn from the terminally online who are very, very far away from what voters want or are willing to put up with.

The least controversial issue in this regard I can think of is LatinX. Everywhere you looked, activists online (mostly white, btw) used that term. It started seeping into the media. And the Latino community hated it. The politicians who were foolish enough to use it backed off immediately once it became evident it was counterproductive.

But it was just nonstop LatinX LatinX LatinX disseminated all over the place to where voters were seeing it often.

And even candidates who weren't using the term got hit by the blowback.

As you said, if it shows up on Libs of TikTok, take heed. Because while they are horrible people, they also have a keen sense for what's going to piss people off. Every time some teacher shows up there and brags about what they're going to teach their students about some controversial issue whether parents like it or not, I keep saying, "Shutupshutupshutup, juststoptalkingnow, youarenothelping, pleasestoptalkingnow"

We get plastered with that shit all the time. The people who live on social media all day are not the typical voter. And we need to stop making that mistake, which I think has been a big one in recent years.

What plays well to the terminally online settles much, much differently with the average voter. And this is an issue, whether people recognize it or not.

Wiz Imp

(2,624 posts)
16. Huh?
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 04:52 PM
Dec 13

I don't think I've seen the term LatinX even one time in the past 5 years except for people on the right complaining about it. Where is this being "disseminated" I' think it's bull shit. If it was widely being used, I would have seen it.

Sympthsical

(10,411 posts)
17. You could do a search on DU and find it easily
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 05:08 PM
Dec 13

I just ran a quick search myself and found plenty of examples.

You can check out news articles from the past five years in the MSM where it's used instead of Latino.

It's much less in use now, thankfully, but if you've never seen it, you must've just papered over it while reading.

Wiz Imp

(2,624 posts)
18. A Pew Survey this fall found that less than half of all Hispanics had even heard of the term.
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 05:55 PM
Dec 13

I'm sorry, but if the majority of the Hispanic community has never heard the term, then the idea that it is being used constantly all over the place is ludicrous.

Sympthsical

(10,411 posts)
22. Shifted some goal posts there
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 07:47 PM
Dec 13

And considering awareness of the term doubled in four years, according to the poll you cite, do you think that's because it was used so very seldomly?

It's odd to see a doubling of awareness with something that was never used as you claim.

Also, didn't you say a few weeks back "As much as I loathe Trump's immigration "policy", I now find myself hoping more and more that Trump does go after ALL Latinos and starts putting them in camps."

Huh. You did say that. I am looking at it right now. Maybe speaking authoritatively about Latino issues isn't a wheelhouse item for you.

Wiz Imp

(2,624 posts)
24. Nice job lying about what I said
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 08:28 PM
Dec 13

I never said it was never used, just that I never see it. And of course you don't address the fact that more than half of the people who are supposedly so offended by this term being used ALL THE TIME never even heard of it. According to most research, the media most frequently uses the term "Hispanic" when referring to people of Latin American origin, followed by "Latino," while "Latinx" is used less often

Kind of full of yourself, aren't you? Also, it's kind of creepy of you to be stalking my old posts.

By the way, yes I said that. I was being ironic which I thought should have been obvious to anyone with a basic understanding of the English language.

dpibel

(3,454 posts)
32. You should tip off Merriam Webster
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 01:51 AM
Dec 14

They seem to have this hare-brained idea that the term was "especially embraced by members of Latin LGBTQ communities as a word to identify themselves as people of Latin descent possessing a gender identity outside the male/female binary."

Now I realize that Merriam-Webster is not at all authoritative, especially as compare to posters on the internet, but there's at least an inference there that not all Hispanic people hated it.

As for your statement down thread that a quick DU search reveals a veritable shit-ton of uses and defenses of Latinx, I did a search for the term from 6/14 to present. It returned 75 instances of the term, a fair number of which were attached to a single username.

But I'm pretty sure that, if one were to know the total number of DU posts in the last 6 months, 75 would not precisely constitute a welter, let alone proof that the term is ubiquitous within the progressive community.

It surely is true, though, that a certain element in the discourse has leapt on any instance of the term with great glee and promoted it as being word of the century. It's just that having it said a million times by right-wingers does not mean it's been said a million times by the rest of us.

Scrivener7

(53,431 posts)
33. Merriam webster IS wrong, then. The term wasn't popular
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 02:14 AM
Dec 14

among those who had heard it. But it's really not a thing anymore. And it certainly isn't a reason to vote for trumpers.

But this is a republiQan trick that our side always falls for. Take a non-issue (her emails! trans people in bathrooms! Antifa sweeping the nation! Iraq's massive nuclear arsenal!!1!), beat it to death in the media they own, get SOME people pissed.

But then WE pick it up and beat ourselves up for it, continuously and mercilessly, and magnify its importance to a place that is miles past where it ever actually was.

WE help them gaslight us. Every. Damn. Time.

If it weren't for that process, "Latinx" would have gone the way of "groovy," only much quicker.

But here we are.

We really need to stop doing that.

Fiendish Thingy

(18,987 posts)
8. The ones a majority of Americans support
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 04:01 PM
Dec 13

As long as you don’t label a policy as connected to a certain party or person, the majority of Americans support policies the media and republicans call “far left”.

Johonny

(22,410 posts)
21. Health care, housing, living wage, unemployment insurance
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 06:43 PM
Dec 13

Social security, Medicare, child care, schools, clean water, clean air . . .

Literally anything that isn’t tax cuts for the rich. Only tax cuts for the rich and subsidies for the rich are okay. Everything else government might do to make life easier is woke commie socialist left wing loony policy.

LeftInTX

(31,170 posts)
15. Abolish borders, abolish the military, abolish police, abolish prisons, embrace Marxism, eliminate all corporations,
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 04:17 PM
Dec 13

abolish all wealth and private property.
I've seen that on Party of Socialism and Liberations signs. But they don't have a seat at the table.

The article mentions: taxpayer-funded transgender surgery for prison inmates. (This isn't far left) It's a very small part of the population and maybe Kamala should have provided more context. This isn't just about transgender rights, it's about prisoners who are transgender getting "free surgery", whereas those on the outside have to pay for it. It's a bit like "Willy Horton". It's unfortunate that it was framed this way. But it makes us appear like we're catering to a very small percent of the population, versus a majority. However, the concept isn't "far left".

OutNow

(889 posts)
19. Far Left? - Confiscate Billionaire's Money to subsidize housing, healthcare, food
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 05:58 PM
Dec 13

You want some "far left" policy? Confiscate Billionaire's money via a 90% nominal tax rate. Use the money to subsidize affordable housing and the rapid roll out of an electrified grid and electric cars, trucks, buses, etc. Nationalize all private health insurance companies and use their assets to provide national healthcare.

Have any leaders of the Democratic Party ever even mentioned doing this?

Well yes they have. The nominal tax rate was over 90% in the 1950s. The revenue provided rural electrification, massive housing expansion for the people coming home from WWII, and the national highway system. We used to have government financial support for higher education that allowed free or low cost college education. FDR's state of the union speech in 1944 laid out a Second Bill of Rights (also known as the Economic Bill of Rights) to implement a real progressive agenda for healthcare, housing, etc, etc.

The fact that these bold policies that actually used to exist have faded away from the current political agenda of the Democratic Party is so sad. My God, the Democrats used to campaign on repealing the Taft Hartley Act that was a massive attack on union organizing. So give me some real "far left" action. I'll support it.

Scrivener7

(53,431 posts)
36. Not confiscate. Just fucking tax it. At the same rate that you and I pay.
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 02:26 AM
Dec 14

This isn't rocket science.

Skittles

(160,686 posts)
20. with the far left, you might get healthcare for all
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 06:35 PM
Dec 13

with the incoming far right we will get FASCISM

so NO we should not align with these fascist fucks IN ANY FUCKING WAY

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,770 posts)
25. Exactly.
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 10:20 PM
Dec 13

I'm completely frustrated by our elected reps not making this clear every day. Instead multi-billionaires are dictating policy without the least concern for us.

Scrivener7

(53,431 posts)
35. I don't support this. But I do see Luigi as a product
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 02:24 AM
Dec 14

of the mistakes of our system, like a school shooter.

If we were smart, we would do something about it now, before the next Luigi (or school shooter or mass shooter) comes along. Like the UK did after the first school shooting. Like Australia did. Like Norway did. And a host of others.

But. We're not. Too many gun fanboys preventing our society from ensuring the safety of school children and now, apparently, insurance company employees.

I wonder who will be next.

BOSSHOG

(40,482 posts)
27. My Top Three
Fri Dec 13, 2024, 10:24 PM
Dec 13

Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness. They sure as hell aren’t the priorities of the far right.

“Prisoners to you own special interests.” Mr pollster is dyslexic.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,770 posts)
37. I'm asking because there were two pollsters who agreed.
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 02:56 AM
Dec 14

And from reading today about Pelosi supposedly trying to prevent AOC from succeeding in her effort to become top Dem on the House Overdsght Committee.

Ihttps://news.yahoo.com/news/nancy-pelosi-working-derail-aoc-002655623.html

ForgedCrank

(2,442 posts)
29. Well, we
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 01:02 AM
Dec 14

could start by interacting with those who focus on this. "Far left" is probably different for every voter, with some common issues.
I live in a heavily red area and deal with republican voters every day. I could start making a list, but I'd be the one who gets attacked for it. so if we really want to understand it, the questions need to be asked of the other side, not here.

SleeplessinSoCal

(9,770 posts)
38. Too many times we hear generalities and sound bites.
Sat Dec 14, 2024, 02:58 AM
Dec 14

We are becoming less informed by the day in the "Information Age".

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»What issues are considere...